Oh I get it now.

This should answer your question sufficiently. I use to be a Trinitarian because that is what I was taught. Although, to be honest I never really checked it out, tried to understand it, or taught it, but I do remember defending it at least once. So it is debatable if I ever really believed it at all. More of an acceptance…[Read more]

You are off base with regards to what I believe and teach.

I believe that Jesus existed in the FORM of God, emptied himself, partook of flesh, obeyed God, died for our sins, rose from the dead bodily, and then we taken up to God to be at his right-hand side in the glory that he had with him, before the world began.

In addition, it is not…[Read more]

So you deny the rest of what Wondering said then?

And as for getting us on edge, not at all.

Scripture is my witness and the opinions of men or women that contradict scripture does not worry me at all. Why should it? That is the truth.

Yes I have heard many sermons on the Trinity. And not once have I felt God Spirit witness it as truth. It only creates confusion when you seek to understand it. Confusion is not of God, but it is the very definition of Babel.

For me to accept it, it would have to be taught in scripture. I am rightly suspicious of any doctrine that contradicts scripture.

But you reject the truth that Jesus was made both Lord and Christ by God.

Further, you reject the truth that the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ is the one true God. He is the God of all comfort.

2 Corinthians 1:3
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort,

How do you get vinegar from a sponge?

You must first soak the sponge in vinegar.

“For us there is one God the Father, and one Lord, the Lord Jesus Christ.”

“Let all the house of Israel therefore know for certain that God has made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified.”

See, there is no vinegar here. It is coming from…[Read more]

You said:

There are three.
God.. The Eternal Spirit..and Christ. (Hebrews 9:14).

Do you realise what you just agreed to DavidL?

Is that not what we believe and Trinitarians deny?

We say there is God which is obviously the Father and notice that the Father is omitted in the quote and is instead called God, while Jesus is another? In…[Read more]

You said:

You say the Bible has been corrupted by Trinitarian translators…but in my opinion you’ve completely missed the mark, and are really being distracted from the real corruption that is taking place within the church today..(that has nothing to do with the Trinity doctrine)..

I have said it before and I guess I have to repeat myself. The…[Read more]

You said:

The one verse you do quote seems to summarize your whole concept of God and becomes proof for you that Jesus and the Holy Spirit are not part of the Godhead…

David, I could quote 100 scriptures and have done on this page:

100 indisputable proof verses – The Trinity Doctrine

But I quote this particular one over and over b…[Read more]

I think you are right wondering.
The Trinity is in the realm of theological debate. Whereas Jesus being the son of God and the messiah is in scripture and we can take that, understand it, and accept that without theological debate. It is so simple that even children can know Jesus is Lord and the messiah.

A famous scientist by the name of…[Read more]

No David.

What Peter was shown was directly from the Father. No problem there. The problem arises when you say or anyone says that the Father has revealed to them something that contradicts scripture and Jesus own words.

Peter’s revelation did not contradict scripture. But the Trinity Doctrine contradicts it completely.

Yes I understand what the doctrine is saying. The problem is I also understand what scripture says about who the true God is exclusively.

The Father is the one true God according to Jesus Christ.

And according to Athanasius and those who crafted the Trinity Doctrine, God is three persons as one substance. Yet remains a HE and not THEM. This…[Read more]

If you think I am sliding all over the place, then you lack understanding on what I am saying and teaching. It is clear that I have stuck with and have not budged or slid all over the place with concerning who God is.

“For us, there is one God the Father.” I haven’t changed this since I first spoke to you and I have been defending it ever…[Read more]

Let’s be clear. It is not important so much as to what you say, but what scripture says.

Jesus said, “this is eternal life, that you may know the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom he has sent”. This is important not only because Jesus said it, but also because it is eternal life.

Who sent Jesus Christ? God did. Jesus Christ is the son of…[Read more]

But it says the son of God. While you say, the son of the Father.

Hence you agree then that the Father is God and Jesus is the son of God, the son of the Father.

Is this progress, or do you slide down another snake back to the beginning?

Right so we should all believe in a doctrine that came three centuries later, was policed by an organisation that killed millions who refused this doctrine, and contradicts the words of the Father, Jesus, Paul, John, and Peter.

Right got it. Where do I sign up?

Cheers. I consider what everyone says too. It is how I have learned most of what I know now. But as you say, the greatest teacher is the Spirit. But I believe that God teaches us through others. So we need to hear what others say, but let the Spirit have the final say.

Because you opposed me when I was giving scripture and started on this who teacher thing. It came across as the scripture says this, but the Spirit says that.

You make assertions that we need the Holy Spirit and do not check to see if I disagree with that, but only assume it. You cannot use that against me because I agree. But you take it further, as you seem to imply that we only need the Holy Spirit. But have you considered that all Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking,…[Read more]

That certainly is the view of most, even going back to the second century fathers. Now consider this:

There must have been one who was first to be with God. And whoever that would be must be special for the following reasons.

Firstborns have special privilege. The first-born of or over all creation would be the most special besides God…[Read more]