Quote (Adam Pastor @ Aug. 03 2006,11:40)A corpse is a dead person/soul.A dead person is a dead soul.Right now within tombs & coffins are dead souls.What one buries or cremates is a dead person/soulJews in the OT were not allowed to touch dead souls … (subtly translated dead body)So a person according to the Hebrew Bible, dead or alive, is a…[Read more]

One angel in particular was special – it bore the name of God (Ex 23:21). Speaking on behalf of God did not make the angel God Himself.

Quote (malcolm ferris @ June 06 2006,03:34)Quote The Christadelphians (and others) understand it as well, that's why they deny pre-existence altogether.True some people cannot see Jesus beyond a normal man, like us in exactly every way including (in some cases) the nature of his birth.Whoa, steady on! Jesus was the only begotten son of God, which…[Read more]

Satan is not a name, it's a noun that means adversary. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~stalexan/Files/Satan_not_PN.pdf That means that there is no fallen angel called Satan. So far as I can see, that's the end of the story. Besides, angels can't sin, and thus can't fall anyway. (If anyone disagree with that, there are unanswered posts of mine on the…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ May 29 2006,04:44)He he. Might take 20 minutes to demonstrate the scriptural basis for this belief, but a life time to defend it though. The prooftexts used to argue for pre-existence are very difficult to explain away IMHO. Well, let's see what Nick comes up with

Hi Is 1:18, hope you're well.Quote (Is 1:18 @ May 29 2006,02:06)Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 28 2006,19:41)Hi Is 1 18, Your work ethic is undenied. But if it takes twnty hours to answer questions does that not ask a few questions of it's own? If the answrers you give are directly from scripture then twenty minutes with a concordance will give you all…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ May 27 2006,01:31)Quote (Sammo @ May 27 2006,17:11)What we do have is a statement of faith – this is what binds us together.Exactly. Your faith is spelled out before the Spirit and free thought has a chance to lead you into all truth.It's like saying you are free to be led by the Spirt, so long as your conclusions include,…[Read more]

MPR (More Pointless Rhetoric).

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 26 2006,18:20)Hi sammo, What you call Satan changes nothing of his nature. Was the angel of the Lord present or was it a human “advocate”according to your church?Hi NickThat's not quite the way we work – there is no 'Christadelphian teaching' on particular verses, because we have no central authority. t8 describes us as a…[Read more]

Quote (Artizan007 @ May 26 2006,13:58)Does anyone know of any writings where the Apostles and the Jews during this time actually debated a Trinity, the Incarnation of the God Man, eternal Son taking on human from or even the Virgin Birth etc and actually spoke of it in this manner. I can see it begins to surface later on in Church history along…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 24 2006,00:23)Hi, Zech 3.1″Then he showed me Joshua, the High Priest, standing before the angel of the Lord, and Satan standing at his right hand to accuse him.And the Lord said to Satan'The Lord rebuke you Satan. Indeed the Lord who has chosen Jerusalem rebuke you…”So how many beings are shown here? Sammo would perhaps…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 23 2006,20:27)Your approach to biblical study is interesting. You took one verse from Luke. You took from that one verse that angels cannot die. You then, working backwards, decided this proved that proved angels cannot sin.1. “The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage, but those who are considered worthy to…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 23 2006,19:05) Lk 20.34″The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage, but those who are considered worthy to attain to that age and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; for they cannot die anymore, because they are like angels, and are sons of God, being sons of the…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ May 26 2006,08:07)To Sammo,Quote (Sammo @ May 26 2006,06:46)How many of your major beliefs have you changed lately, t8?Not many. One would be that those who belong to denominations serve God less than I initially believed.But I did once fellowship at a number of denominations and I did once believe that God was a Trinity. I even went…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 25 2006,21:45)Quote (Sammo @ May 25 2006,11:46)Quote (t8 @ May 25 2006,09:14)To me it doesn't matter how many scriptures you show these people because if the scripture doesn't match up with the doctrines of their denomination, they will reject the scripture.How many of your major beliefs have you changed lately, t8? Do you…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ May 25 2006,09:14)To me it doesn't matter how many scriptures you show these people because if the scripture doesn't match up with the doctrines of their denomination, they will reject the scripture.How many of your major beliefs have you changed lately, t8? Do you honestly think you're any different to me, or David, or Is 1:18, or…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ May 23 2006,02:34)Hi Sammo, hope life is good for you atm.I think NH has actually raised a valid point in pointing out that, although Revelation is a coded book (400 verses and 800 allusions to the OT I have been led to believe!), some symbols are actually explained in the book itself. And the star/angels idiom is one of those…[Read more]

Quote (david @ May 25 2006,04:53)Similarly, Jesus died a torturous death. Jehovah didn't cause this. He allowed it, because it had to happen. And Jehovah was not the reason it had to happen. The one who deceived eve was the one began us down this path. Jehovah has lovingly allowed the this to be corrected in this way because of his sense of…[Read more]

Quote (david @ May 25 2006,04:19)Quote You make it sound like (the fallen angel I don't believe exists that you call) Satan engineered the whole thing – but it was God that mentioned Job to Satan (1:8), not the other way around! In the garden of eden, the original serpent, the one called devil and satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited…[Read more]

Quote (david @ May 25 2006,04:19)Quote This is the same message as Hebrews 2:14 -“Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;“Jesus destroyed the devil through his death – this is completely…[Read more]