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wakeup

“””I have made it so clear;why cant you accept??”””

Funny YOU should ask that question; but I know why you can't understand; as in the past, you read my posts with your eyes closed, not only closed eyes, but with a closed mind.

Like Pierre said, it is hard to explain something to some one that is unwilling to learn.

The fact remains, you have very little understanding of scripture, and no knowledge of history, and yet you think of your self as a professor.

A fool who likes being a fool, you just have to let be a fool.

Georg

[Pastry]

wakeup

“””I have made it so clear;why cant you accept??”””

Funny YOU should ask that question; but I know why you can't understand; as in the past, you read my posts with your eyes closed, not only closed eyes, but with a closed mind.

Like Pierre said, it is hard to explain something to some one that is unwilling to learn.

The fact remains, you have very little understanding of scripture, and no knowledge of history, and yet you think of your self as a professor.

A fool who likes being a fool, you just have to let be a fool.

Georg

[Pastry]

wakeup

“””I have made it so clear;why cant you accept??”””

Funny YOU should ask that question; but I know why you can't understand; as in the past, you read my posts with your eyes closed, not only closed eyes, but with a closed mind.

Like Pierre said, it is hard to explain something to some one that is unwilling to learn.

The fact remains, you have very little understanding of scripture, and no knowledge of history, and yet you think of your self as a professor.

A fool who likes being a fool, you just have to let be a fool.

Georg

[Pastry]

wakeup, earth calling wakeup, are you awake?

Rev 17:10   And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.  

Are you at all familiar with this verse?
This is what John was told, five kings, or empires, were gone (if you like to know who the five were, ask me ,and I will tell you).
So, when the angel told John, one is (you know he meant the empire that was then in power) who do you think that was? I give you a clue, it was the largest empire at that time; any idea?

“””The 10king beast will perform great wonders,and make fire come down from heaven,and mark every person on this planet.”””

 guess who said that  jea, it was you

“””BUT SCRIPTURE SAYS the beast *IS NOT* in johns era.”””

I guess you need help with this one too, eh.

Rev 17:9   And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.  

Well, it says, the mind that has wisdom, so I better explain this verse to you.
The woman is symbolic for a church, or religious organization.
Notice it says, “SEVEN” heads, in verse 10 John was told, 5 are gone, and one is; that makes 6 (six).
And then John was told, “”THE OTHER””, I bet you don't know who the other is, try this, 6 + 1 = ?
you got it, its 7; the other is head, or king if you will, number 7 (seven). And of course (now don't get big headed because I'm about to compliment you) you are right, that king was not in John's time.

Now I'm going to stop here, to much truth may confuse you.

Georg

[Pastry]

wakeup (if that is possible)

Ask any 5 year old, and they will tell you who the king of the north is.

He'll be making his rounds here soon; I hope you have been a good boy. Naaaaaah.

Georg

[Pastry]

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 11 2012,21:16)

Pastry. The scripture is clear; the mark will be used for buying and selling; trade. No mark,no trade,no buy,no eat.We will be forced to worship the false prophet; the beast that came out of the earth.rev.13:11. wakeup.

I used to go to a circus to see a clown, now I can stay home and watch you; thank you for the entertainment.
     

Georg

[Pastry]

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 11 2012,22:41)

Quote (Pastry @ Dec. 11 2012,15:05) Quote (t8 @ Dec. 11 2012,14:24) Quote (Pastry @ Dec. 11 2012,03:16) wakeup Does the Bible speak of anti-Muslims? or anti-budists? anti-Hindus? He is anti-Christ; he calls himself, “vicar of Christ”; he is here instead of Christ. The Pope persecuted all Christians that would not except his doctrines; he had them tortured and killerd; that's what you read in Rev. 13. It is estimated that over 50 million had to die for their faith; how many do you think gave up their faith, “fell away”, for fear of torture, and death? The Pope caused the “fallen away”. Recently there have been programs on the History Channel explaining the period of the “dark” and “middle” ages. There are many churh basements, all over Europe, that have turned their torture chambers into museums, displaying the tools of torture. And yes, the pope was responsible for all that; hard to believe when you look at the pope today. Georg Yes and what great judgement she will receive. Would she not better be explained as the Woman who rides the Beast. Or do you say that already? t8 I passed over this post earlier. Rev 17:4   And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:   Rev 17:5   And upon her forehead [was] a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.   This description obviously fits the Catholic church; the fact that she is sitting on the beast with seven heads, representing the seven governments of the Bible, shows that she is also representing all false religion that have influenced all of Satan's kingdoms. She will endure as long as all of mans governments will endure, until Jesus take over the reign. Rev 19:20   And the beast ((all man made governments)) was taken, and with him the false prophet ((the Catholic church, and all man made religion)) that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into “”a”” lake of fire burning with brimstone.   Notice, it says “a” lake of fire, showing their total destruction during Christ reign. Georg The spiritual woman that rides on the beast with the 7 heads can not be the roman church. 1. Because the roman church can not sit on the first head which is egypt. The Roman empire is the 6th head. 2. So who is this woman that was riding the beast from the beginning? This woman represents satans system of ruling his empires. And his system is as we know,greed,get, take,war.worship many gods,worship the material,everyone for himself,there can be no morals in business,adultery is ok,fornication is ok,science is our saviour, the list can go on and on. This woman is that great city where all the people dwell,the worldly. But there is another city of God,and she is called Zion the holy jerusalem. In this city there is peace,God fearing,God loving,no wars,no greed,but love. This is the city that we ought to dwell in;not babylon the great,we need to come out of babylon,for her plagues will be great. The Roman church is only one of her daughters,she has many daughters.Remember the woman is the MOTHER OF HARLOTS. Just focus on this woman as the world system of things,with all its luxuries and pleasures,and great riches. This was since egypt,mankind has always been in love with the material luxuries,and willing to toture themselves to get it;or even kill for it, or go to war for it. The coming man of perdition,false prophet,will sit in the temple of God in jerusalem, which israel will build,and call himself god. And ALL people must worship him as god. OR NO BUYING, AND NO SELLING. The true christians will be his number one enemy. ————————————————————- Antichrist: There are MANY antichrists,one of them are the jews that are still under the law. The budist,hindus are not anti christ,but worshipping another God ,because they dont have Christ in their doctrine. THERE IS NO SUCH AS *THE* ANTICHRIST,BUT THE FALSE PROPHET, HE ALONE WILL BE WORSHIPPED AS GOD SITTING IN THE TEMPLE OF GOD IN JERUSALEM,NOT ROME. Just read rev,19:20.only the BEAST and the FALSE PROPHET is cast in the fire. So where is satan and where is the anti christ? Satan will be locked up for a 1000yrs. and there is no *THE* antichrist. Many will fall away because of the churches has fallen away,by preaching another gospel.satan has infiltrated the churches,and bribed the shepherds with luxuries. the are in satans pocket and dont know it. They think that their blessings come from God,yes,the wrong god. wakeup.

What grade are you in wakeup?

[Pastry]

wakeup

Are you so naive, or are you for some reason pretending?

When did John receive the revelation, at the end of the first century? or did you receive it just recently?
John was told, “”one is””, not one was.

“””1. THE UN NEVER BLASPHEMED GOD.”””

Is the UN worshiping God, it would be good if you were to watch some news once in a while.

Let's face it, you have no idea who the king of the north was; YES WAS.
And it is unfortunate that a man that spends so much time and effort on this program; has no other interest then to brag about his ignorance. It really is a shame.

Georg

[Pastry]

wakeup

You have way to many subjects for me to go into all of them, but I will start, see how far I get.

Do you really think we will see Christ in all of his glory? consider this.

Rev 1:16   And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as “””the sun shineth in his strength”””.

Do you remember what happened to Saul when Jesus appeared to him?

Act 9:17   And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that “””appeared””” unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost.  

It blinded Saul, and it would blind all of us if we were to look on him; that is why, when he comes, he will be hid behind a cloud.
Tell me when this has happened.

Zec 14:2   For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.  

Well, you know, I changed my mind. I read through your post again, and realised, you make no sense.
You turn everything I said up side down, and you come up with some of the most ridiculous comments for which you have no proof, or scriptures, except your ideas; and who knows where they come from.

If your serious, be specific, and give some scriptures.

Georg

[Pastry]

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 11 2012,03:58)

Quote (Pastry @ Dec. 11 2012,00:30) wakeup Buying and selling what? Do you really think, that one man could in less than seven years control the whole world economy? There was however a man that did control who could buy and sell; during the “dark” and “middle” ages, the Pope. What you could not buy was a Bible, any part of it, or sell for that matter; if you were caught owning one, or just part of it; or if you were caught reading, any part of it, you were killed, executed.   That was how the pope controlled the masses, by fear, and by keeping people in the dark about the word of God. Georg Pastry. That happened before,I agree,but we can buy or sell the bible today.This prophecy is not about the dark ages,but the end time. By this mark or number, the false prophet can control the world. For without the number, no trade can proceed. No import and export; no shopping for groceries. Take care. wakeup.

wakeup

You may be surprised to learn that the number is not even a mark; it is only given to us so we can identify the man to whom it belongs.

Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

The number of a man, the number of his name, a name could also be a title. On the popes crown is an inscription in Latin: “VICARIVS FILII DEI,” which means “Vicar of the Son of God.” Some Latin letters also have a numerical value.
V I C A R I V S – F I L I I – D E I
5 1 100 0 0 1 5 0 0 1 50 1 1 500 0 1 = 666
To help identify that man, whose name is that number; is the only significance of that number. Coincident? With God there are no coincidences.

Georg

[Pastry]

Quote (t8 @ Dec. 11 2012,14:24)

Quote (Pastry @ Dec. 11 2012,03:16) wakeup Does the Bible speak of anti-Muslims? or anti-budists? anti-Hindus? He is anti-Christ; he calls himself, “vicar of Christ”; he is here instead of Christ. The Pope persecuted all Christians that would not except his doctrines; he had them tortured and killerd; that's what you read in Rev. 13. It is estimated that over 50 million had to die for their faith; how many do you think gave up their faith, “fell away”, for fear of torture, and death? The Pope caused the “fallen away”. Recently there have been programs on the History Channel explaining the period of the “dark” and “middle” ages. There are many churh basements, all over Europe, that have turned their torture chambers into museums, displaying the tools of torture. And yes, the pope was responsible for all that; hard to believe when you look at the pope today. Georg Yes and what great judgement she will receive. Would she not better be explained as the Woman who rides the Beast. Or do you say that already?

t8

I passed over this post earlier.

Rev 17:4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

Rev 17:5 And upon her forehead [was] a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

This description obviously fits the Catholic church; the fact that she is sitting on the beast with seven heads, representing the seven governments of the Bible, shows that she is also representing all false religion that have influenced all of Satan's kingdoms.
She will endure as long as all of mans governments will endure, until Jesus take over the reign.

Rev 19:20 And the beast ((all man made governments)) was taken, and with him the false prophet ((the Catholic church, and all man made religion)) that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into “”a”” lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Notice, it says “a” lake of fire, showing their total destruction during Christ reign.

Georg

[Pastry]

Quote (t8 @ Dec. 11 2012,14:27)

Quote (Pastry @ Dec. 10 2012,07:44) For those who believe in a rapture, before Antichrist begins his “seven” years of reign; I have some bad news, and some good news. There are only “six” years left for that generation to pass, that Jesus said, “would not pass away before all things be fulfilled.” So, is Antichrist late in his appearing? NO! The bad news would be, there is no rapture. The good news would be, there is no Antichrist coming either. The Antichrist of the Bible has reigned, not just for 1260 days, but for 1260 years. His reign began right after the Roman emperor Justinian's death, in 565 AD. No other emperor was able to controll the east and the west; it was then when the Antichrist took over the reign of the west, the image of the beast, the image of Rome; and that was, and still is the Pope of the “Roman Catholic Church”. He no longer reigns, thanks to Napoleon, but he still rules, and controlls those that follow him, and his doctrines. Georg Will he receive a mortal wound and rise up again according to your view?

t8

By “he” I assume you mean Antichrist? NO

The deadly wound was inflicted to the sixth head, to the Roman empire; let me explain.

Dan. 7:8   “I considered the horns, and behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.”

The Vandals
By the third century, the Roman Empire was divided with a capital and an emperor in the West, Rome, and a capital and an emperor in the East, Constantinople. By the end of the fourth century, many Germanic tribes were fleeing west, away from the dreadful Huns. One of these tribes, the Vandals, first came, and settled in Spain. Then in 439 AD, their king, Gaiseric, captured Carthage, North Africa, a piece of the Roman Empire. He was the first of the three horns that would later be uprooted.
From Carthage the Vandals staged many raiding parties against Rome’s shipping lanes in the Mediterranean Sea. In 455 AD, they came toward Rome with an enormous fleet. When Rome became aware of it, woman and children left the City. Pope Leo I (little horn) met with the Vandal King and proposed a deal; if the King would promise not to kill and burn, Rome would not oppose him. The King accepted, and for two weeks the Vandals sacked Rome unopposed.  

The Heruli
The Heruli, another Germanic tribe, hired themselves out as mercenaries fighting for Rome. However, in 476 AD, their king Odoacer decided to make Italy his kingdom and deposed the Roman emperor Romulus Augustulus. Taking over Rome and making it his kingdom made him the second horn of the three. Also, this very act, deposing the Roman emperor, was the deadly wound to the Roman head.
Why is it called the deadly wound? You have to understand, people living in Italy had never known any other government but the Romans. Rome, the very symbol of the empire, had fallen into the hands of barbarians. For a little kingdom as the Heruli to depose their emperor, and take over the kingdom, had to be shocking. The people must have been waiting for the eastern emperor to come and rescue them, but nothing happened. First Rome lost Carthage, now Rome, Italy; People must have wondered, was this the end of the Roman empire? Was Rome dead?

The Ostrogoth
The Eastern Empire had to look for other allies, the Ostrogoth. Roman Emperor Zeno commissioned Theodoric, king of the Ostrogoth, to deal with the Herulis. In 493 AD, Theodoric invaded Italy and defeated the Herulis, killing Odoacer himself. The defeat of the Heruli market the uprooting of the first of the three horn.
In 527 AD, Justinian became Emperor. His ambition was to restore lost territories to the Empire. And in 533 AD, he sent his best and most trusted general, Belisarius, to recapture Carthage, which he did. This defeat of the Vandals was the uprooting of the second of the three horn. In the meantime, the Ostrogoth had made Rome/Italy their kingdom and by doing so had become the third horn.  So in 535 AD, Justinian sent Belisarius on another mission: defeat the Ostrogoth. It took the general eighteen years to accomplish that mission. The year 553 AD, not only marked the uprooting of the third horn; most importantly,   “””it marked the year of the healing of the deadly wound”””;   Rome and Italy had become the Roman Empire again, and so did Carthage, North Africa. What a victory celebration that must have been? And the world was glad; they cheered, they danced and said, “Who is as strong as the beast, as Rome, who dares to make war with him“. We are the best; we are the strongest; we are number 1; we all know these cheers, don’t we?

Rev. 13:4   “And they worshiped the dragon which gave power unto the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast (Rome)? Who is able to make war with him?”  

Georg

[Pastry]

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 11 2012,10:37)

Quote (Pastry @ Dec. 11 2012,00:16) wakeup Does the Bible speak of anti-Muslims? or anti-budists? anti-Hindus? He is anti-Christ; he calls himself, “vicar of Christ”; he is here instead of Christ. The Pope persecuted all Christians that would not except his doctrines; he had them tortured and killerd; that's what you read in Rev. 13. It is estimated that over 50 million had to die for their faith; how many do you think gave up their faith, “fell away”, for fear of torture, and death? The Pope caused the “fallen away”. Recently there have been programs on the History Channel explaining the period of the “dark” and “middle” ages. There are many churh basements, all over Europe, that have turned their torture chambers into museums, displaying the tools of torture. And yes, the pope was responsible for all that; hard to believe when you look at the pope today. Georg Pastry. 1. There are many antichrists,one of them are the real jews,that are still under the law. 2. There is no such in scripture as *THE* anti christ mentioned,but the FALE PROPHET.(one man).Not antichrist AND false prophet.This is error. 3. The papal system has been here for hundreds of yrs. Scriptures tell us that the false prophet with his great miracles and wonders,and power to rule this planet is the man of perdition that will only appear after the falling away. And he will be given power for only 3/half yrs,not hundreds of yrs. 4. The falling away is not by force,but by satans devices;they have been led astray because there is no knowledge in them.Knowledge has fled away from them. 5. The roman church has killed millions during the ages,but that does not compare with whats coming. One third of the world will be killed,by the one war created by the false prophet.(rev.9:18). For knowledge is the stability of the times,we need knowledge to save our souls. The false prophet(son of satan) will rule this planet with power for only3/half yrs,and then, he will be cast in the fire at the coming.(rev19:20). Please consider, for he will appear, when God let him,and that is soon according the prophesies.The falling away is already worked out for yrs now.The churches will preach another gospel; the gospel of enjoing todays life, and be prosperous.This gospel of sooth saying has become very popular. wakeup. wakeup.

wakeup

1Jo 2:18 ¶ Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

Even so they had many antichrists then, John spoke of an antichrist that would come; John new the book of Daniel, he new of the little horn Daniel spoke of in Chapter 7:8.

The Roman Catholic church had its beginning in 321 AD, by emperor Constantine. The papal systen stared in 565 AD.

2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Notice, the falling away comes first, and then the man of sin will be revealed, not appear.

Rev 9:18 By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.

I think you know, this has to do with the sixth trumpet, not the false prophet.

Satan has no son.

The saints should have been so lucky to only have to suffer for 3 and 1/2 years.

Georg

[Pastry]

Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 11 2012,01:54)

Pastry,Dec. wrote: [/quote] Hi Georg I hope you don't mind me joining in.  I assume you are speaking to all of us anyway? I just like to point out, that there are two different generations here.  The ones back then, and the last generation. Quote For those who believe in a rapture, before Antichrist begins his “seven” years of reign; I have some bad news, and some good news. There are only “six” years left for that generation to pass, that Jesus said, “would not pass away before all things be fulfilled.” Matthew 12:38   Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master we would see a sign from thee. Matthew 12:39   But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonah: Matthew 12:40   For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. That generation was given no sign.  The only sign they had was Christ among them then, with his death and resurrection. Matthew 24:3   And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, TELL US, WHEN SHALL THESE THINGS BE?  and WHAT SHALL BE THE SIGN OF THY COMING, and OF THE END OF THE WORLD? 1.  Take heed no man decieve you. 2.  Many will come in my name saying I am Christ, and shall decieve many. (rev 6:2) 3.  Ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars (Rev 6:4) 4.  Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom; there shall be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places. (rev 6:5) 5.  They shall deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you; and ye shall be hated for my names sake.(rev 6:9-11) 6.  Many shall betray another and hate one another. 7.  Many false prophets shall arise and decieve many. 8.  Because iniquity shall abound, love grows cold. 9.  But he that endures to the end shall be saved. 10. The gospel shall be preached in all the world as a witness, THEN THE END SHALL COME 11. When you see the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION stand in THE HOLY PLACE, 12. Then shall there be GREAT TRIBULATION, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no nor shall ever be. 13. Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened and the moon shall not give her light.,and the stars shall fall from heaven, and thepowers of the heavens shall be shaken (rev 6:12) 14. And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and THEY SHALL SEE THE SON OF MAN COMING IN THE CLOUDS OFHEAVEN WITH POWER AND GREAT GLORY (rev 16:17) 15. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. Matthew 24:33   So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. Matthew 24:34   Verily I say unto you, THIS GENERATION SHALL NOT PASS, TILL ALL THESE THINGS BE FULFILLED.

journey 42

Of course I don't mind you joining in, this is as you said, an open forum.

I think it should be obvious to all who read the bible, that you can not read it as any other book. Line upon line, here a little, there a little.
Jesus said, seek and you will find; if the Bible were written like an ordinary book, one would not have to seek. In other words, scriptures are not always written in sequence.
Let me try to explain.
In Mat. 24:16-20 is a prophesy of the destruction in AD 70.
verses 21 and 22 is a prophesy about the greatest tribulation the Israelites would ever have to endure; let me show you two other scriptures that prophesy the same tribulation.

Jer. 30:7 “Alas! For that day (time) is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob’s (Israel’s) trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.”

Dan. 12:1 “And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people (Israelites): and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered…”

Now compare with what Jesus said.

Mat. 24:21 “For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.”
Mat. 24:22 “And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.”

Remember, Jesus is speaking to the apostles, Jews.
Three prophecies of a tribulation, there would be no greater ever; there can only be one tribulation like that; in other words; they are all prophesying the same tribulation; for the Jews, the Israelites. Are the elect in fact the Jews/Israelites?

Mal. 3:6 “For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob (Israel) are not consumed.”
Rom. 11:28 “As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes, but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers sakes.”
Is. 65:22 “They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.”

As for wich generation; Jesus gave the parable of the fig tree.

Mat. 24:32 “Now learn a parable of the fig tree; when his branch is yet tender, and putteh forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:”

v. 33 “So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that IT is near, even at the door.”

The Fig Tree symbolizes the nation Israel. Jesus had just spoken of their destruction, now he is prophesying the rebirth of their nation.
v. 34 “Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.”

Israel was recognized as a nation in 1948, that is when “this generation” began. How long is a generation?
Ps. 90:10 “The days of our years are three score years and ten (70 years);…”

Thank you for your input.

Georg

[Pastry]

Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 30 2012,22:43)

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 30 2012,17:45) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 30 2012,10:38) WE MUST STAY WITH PROPHECIES,TO DISCUS PROPHECIES. wakeup. Hi Wakeup, We can also look at Prophecy's in light of their Historical fulfillment. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org ED J This is true,we need some history to back us up. The main thing is to stay on prophecies,without disregarding the scriptures for some private interpretation. God has provided us with some history in the book of Daniel,and some help in the book of revelation. Sample: The beast was;is not; yet is;and shall come out of the bottomless pit,and he is the 8th which is of the 7th. 7 mountains and 7 kings,5 are fallen,one is and the other is not yet come. There is enough information provided to bring the puzzle together. wakeup.

wakeup

Ever wonder, what was the beast that was?   and then was not?
What is meant by; “shall ascend out of the bottomless pit?”
Is there such a thing as a bottomless pit? or could it be just an expression? like; have you ever turned around and seen some one you knew standing there, and ask; where did you come from?  or have you heard the expression; he came out of nowhere?

The beast that was, was the Roman empire, a world ruling empire, not the entire world of course; but it ruled over the 40+ countries it had conquered.
When the western half of the empire collapsed in 565 AD, “it was not”; it ended a world ruling government.
The idea of ruling the entire world by one government, was never forgotten.
Many attempts were made by the kings of Europe to do  what the Romans had accomplished, unite all kings under one government, but all attempts failed.

By the end of WW I leaders of their nation got tired of fighting each other; and they formed what became known as the “LEAGUE OF NATION”. It was the “seventh” head, the beast/government that came out of nowhere, the bottomless pit.
As prophesied, it lasted only a short while, 1918 – 1946.
But, out of it emerged the eighth, the “UNITED NATION”; you see, it was the same beast/government, it had changed in name only. That is why the Bible says, the eighth is of the seven.

Georg

[Pastry]

wakeup

What makes you think that you would “see” the resurrection of the “saints”?
They are resurrected as spirit beings, and they are the only once that will be resurrected before the beginning of the millennium, Christ's 1000 year reign.

You obviously take the number of 200 million literal; look at the scripture below.

Joel 1:6 “For a nation is come up upon my land (Israel), strong and without number, whose teeth are the teeth of a lion, and he has the cheek teeth of a great lion.”

Without numbers; are we then to assume that the Assyrians had an army exceeding 200 million?

I also said, the trumpets and the bowls describe the same disaster; for example.

Rev. 8:10 “And the “”third”” angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters.”
v. 11 “And the name of the star is called Wormwood (bitter): and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.”

This star was not a meteorite, and it did not fall from the sky either. We have today many stars right hear on earth, basketball stars, football stars, baseball stars, and movie stars, they are all “stars“. This great star that fell from heaven was the pope. He fell from his heaven, his place of authority; he fell from power thanks to Napoleon. The pope was the lamp to the world, but it was his light, his doctrine, that poisoned the waters, the true gospel of Christ, and made them bitter, and many men had to die for it.
And now look at the third bowl.

Rev. 16:4 “ And the “”third”” angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of water; and they became blood”.
v. 5 “ And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous O lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus”.
v. 6 “ For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets; and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy”.

Water is symbolic for the truth of God; Jesus said,

John 7:37 “… if any man thirst let him come unto me, and drink “.
v. 38 “ He that believeth on me, as the scripture has said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living waters”.

Jesus told the woman by the well,
John 4:10 “… if thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, give me to drink; thou wouldest have ask of him, and he would have given thee living water”.

Ever since Justinian died, in 565 AD, the western leg of Rome was left to fend for themselves. Although the pope took full charge of state and church, he had no army. He called on France, the strongest kingdom of Europe, for protection. The French Revolution that started in 1789 and lasted thirteen years changed all that; where the Catholic church had persecuted, tortured, and killed those that opposed her, the saints, the Catholic church now became the persecuted herself, “and thou hast given them blood to drink“, you could say, they got a taste of their own medicine. In fact, the church was expelled.

Rev. 6:14 “And the heaven (church) departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.”

Why as a scroll? A scroll can be unrolled again as was the church when Napoleon reinstated the church again after his return from his unsuccessful invasion of Egypt in 1899.
The rivers and fountains of waters that became blood, was Antichrist’s waters, false doctrine. During the French Revolution, tens of thousand of Catholics, bishops and priests were massacred; it was the end of Antichrist’s reign. It was He that was responsible for the death of millions of saints.

This is history, this is fact.

Georg

[Pastry]

wakeup

Buying and selling what?
Do you really think, that one man could in less than seven years control the whole world economy?

There was however a man that did control who could buy and sell; during the “dark” and “middle” ages, the Pope.
What you could not buy was a Bible, any part of it, or sell for that matter; if you were caught owning one, or just part of it; or if you were caught reading, any part of it, you were killed, executed.

That was how the pope controlled the masses, by fear, and by keeping people in the dark about the word of God.

Georg

[Pastry]

wakeup

Does the Bible speak of anti-Muslims? or anti-budists? anti-Hindus?
He is anti-Christ; he calls himself, “vicar of Christ”; he is here instead of Christ.
The Pope persecuted all Christians that would not except his doctrines; he had them tortured and killerd; that's what you read in Rev. 13.
It is estimated that over 50 million had to die for their faith; how many do you think gave up their faith, “fell away”, for fear of torture, and death?
The Pope caused the “fallen away”.

Recently there have been programs on the History Channel explaining the period of the “dark” and “middle” ages. There are many churh basements, all over Europe, that have turned their torture chambers into museums, displaying the tools of torture.
And yes, the pope was responsible for all that; hard to believe when you look at the pope today.

Georg

[Pastry]

wakeup

you ask: “HOW WOULD YOU EXPLAIN THE 7 TRUMPETS OF WRATH BEFORE JESUS RETURN?”

Here is what I say: the seven trumpets have been blown; and the seven bowls have been poured out.

Here is something else to puzzle over; the seven trumpets and the seven bowls speak of the same disasters.

Ja, I know, I just went back on my word; but I forgive my self.

Georg

[Pastry]

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 09 2012,16:56)

Pastry. (QUOTE). Jesus gave “three” prophesies of tribulations, in Mat. 24; and they were ALL FOR ISRAELITES.. The first occurred in AD 70. Luke 21:20  “And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.” THIS TRIBULATION DID HAPPENED TO THE JEWS,WHEN JERUSALEM WAS DESTROYED,AND THE TEMPLE. IT IS CLEAR SAYING THAT JERUSALEM WILL BE COMPASSED WITH ARMIES *THEN THE DESOLATION THEREOF IS NIGH* SPEAKING OF THE DESOLATION OF JERUSALEM.NOT THE END OF JERUSALEM.     The second, and the worst occurred during Hitler’s reign Mat. 24:21   “For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.” WHAT YOU ARE SAYING HERE IS, THAT THERE WILL BE NO MORE TRIBULATIONS AFTER HITLER. Mat. 24:22   “And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.” Those days were shortened, Germany lost the war; had Hitler won the war, there would be NO FLESH, Jew, saved alive. The third is yet to be fulfilled. Jesus only mentions what will happen afterwards. WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS THAT HITLER COULD HAVE DESTROYED ALL THE JEWS ONLY. TO ME, *NO* FLESH MEANS ALL THE POPULATION OF THIS PLANET. Mat. 24:28   “For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.” NA. The carcass will be the nation Israel, the eagles will be all the strong nation coming against Israel. NA. And it wont be long now for that to happen, and then Jesus will return. HOW WOULD YOU EXPLAIN THE 7 TRUMPETS OF WRATH BEFORE JESUS RETURN? v. 29     “Immediately after the TRIBULATION of those days, shall the sun be darkened, and the moon   shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:” *IMMEDIATELY*AFTER THE TRIBULATION. WHAT DOES THE WORD IMMEDIATELY MEAN TO YOU? JERUSALEM WAS DESTROYED 1900YRS AGO? THE SECOND WORLD WAR WAS 170YRS AGO?(this is not immediately). PLEASE EXPLAIN. wakeup.

You know wakeup, you have shown me over and over again that in fact you are asleep.

WW II ended 170 years ago? are you for real?

I see no point in even talking to you.

Georg

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