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    Quote (thehappyman @ Aug. 27 2011,18:40)Very Nicely written Irene , God bless youThank you… the lyrics are very nice….Peace to you and yours Irene

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    Pastry replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 13 years, 1 month ago

    Mike! The Our Father is also a prayer Jesus gave us, as an example how to pray….Unfortunately the Catholic Church misuses that prayer by repeating it over and over again, like the Rosary….There is also a very nice Song that uses the prayer for the lyrics….Peace Irene

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    Pastry replied to the topic The Beast Revelation in the forum Prophecy 13 years, 1 month ago

    PierreIt is not my job to “convince” you of anything; it is however my responsibility to give you honest, and correct information. You have to “prove” to yourself whether my ideas are true, or yours.Why don't you give me some answers to what you believe is true, and why you believe it?! You're assuming that “ALL” people will see God; those…[Read more]

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    Pastry replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 13 years, 1 month ago

    Kerwin! I was just reading what you said about GodQuote The being of God is God just like the flesh of a human is human. To take a part of God from God means you have two Gods that are both worthy to be worshipped.Jesus in John 1 and Hebrew 1 is called God…Jhn 1:1 ¶ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was…[Read more]

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    Quote 1 John 1:1-4 is a parallel scripture to John 1:1- as  is states “and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father” similar to the idea expressed in John 1:1.   It also states “That which was from the beginning,” and “Word of life” even as John 1- speaks of live being in the word.    When it declares “For the life was manifest…[Read more]

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    Quote So, what we have are several translations that translate Rev 3:14 as the 'beginning of the creation of God' and several that imply a rulership or originator.Kathi!  What we do have is six translations that state Jesus is the beginning of the creation of God, and two that He is the ruler… Since there are six against two, it proves that…[Read more]

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    Pastry replied to the topic The Beast Revelation in the forum Prophecy 13 years, 1 month ago

    Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 26 2011,16:21)georgI have a few question;who is the beast in rev 13 -11 ?in revel ;17-11 it “was , is not ” and go to perdition ”  it is the 8th king or head ,the ten horns are kings that have not yet but receive power during one hour ,and those king will make war with the lamb ,but will lose ,could you explain this…[Read more]

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    Pastry replied to the topic The Beast Revelation in the forum Prophecy 13 years, 1 month ago

    Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 25 2011,17:03)georgI have printed your answer to me and I will read it and make sure that I understand it clearly of what you are saying ,but why would you like me to use the KJV I Have my program in NIV 1984 version but ,in it is also included six other version including the KJVbut why ?PierrePierreI have a NIV, I have…[Read more]

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    Quote I myself originally believed that Jesus preexisted his conception until it was revealed to me that one cannot exist before they are conceived (exist).Kerwin! And now you are going to ignore those Scriptures that teach that Jesus did preexist???Quote 1 John 1:4-2 is speaking of the spirit beyond the letter of a teaching and not directly…[Read more]

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    Pastry replied to the topic Last days in the forum Prophecy 13 years, 1 month ago

    Quote (mikeangel @ Aug. 25 2011,20:33)Right after I posted this Shimmer, there was a earthquake in the eastern United States, centered in Virgina. Those are rare. Our fault line is much worse than thiers. It closed the capitol for a while and cracked the Washington monument. A jewish rabbi was reported to say that this is the result of Gay…[Read more]

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    Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 26 2011,10:39)Quote (Pastry @ Aug. 26 2011,01:44)Quote Hi Irene,Romans 8:13-14  For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify thedeeds of the body, ye shall live. For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.Ed J (Joshua 22:34) EdOh, you not going to die?????? All in…[Read more]

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    Kathi! Jehovah God is omnipresent, Jesus is not. Jehovah God is all powerful, Jesus has some but in the end He will give His Kingdom back to Jehovah God….It is by Jehovah's Holy Spirit that Jesus does things….It is Jehovah who raised Jesus from the death, not Jesus Himself…. Jesus only does what the Father tells Him to do…He came to do…[Read more]

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    Quote Posted: Aug. 24 2011,15:04 QUOTEHi Mrs:You say:QuoteJhn 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. This shows us that Jesus was there with His Father as a Spirit Being before the world was…..Does the scripture state that “he was a spirit being before the…[Read more]

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    Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 25 2011,16:45)Quote (Pastry @ Aug. 25 2011,11:47)Mike!  Then we have Ed and Kerwin that think John 1 is talking about Gods Holy Spirit.Peace IreneHi Irene,Are you forgetting about Gene and Paladin believing this as well?God blessEd J (Joshua 22:34)http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgEd. I am not having a conversation with Paladin…[Read more]

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    Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 26 2011,04:06)Ok, so I read through Mike's, Irene's and t8's posts and suffice it to say…no one seems to understand:1. How a compound unity has more than one person in it, hence one can be the father of the other.  The 'other' does not need to be the 'father' of himself.2. A compound unity is both plural AND singular…[Read more]

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    Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 25 2011,14:44)Quote (thehappyman @ Aug. 25 2011,20:37)Gen.1:26-28 . This creation of man & women was before Adam ?  Could it be that Adam is the first man created in the garden of Eden and this became the first of God's chosen people. Gen.2:5-8, I heard Haggie speak of it that way.     ????who Haggie ?Pierre! Haggie is a Mi…[Read more]

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    Quote Hi Irene,Romans 8:13-14 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify thedeeds of the body, ye shall live. For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.Ed J (Joshua 22:34) EdOh, you not going to die?????? All in Adam will die…..and you are not in the flesh no more????…. that is…[Read more]

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    Pastry replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 13 years, 1 month ago

    Quote The nation of Israel is called the son of God is Hosea 11:1 and the child of God in Jeremiah 31:9. andEphraim is called a son in Jeremiah 31:20 and his firstborn in Jeremiah 31:9.Never the less it is a prophecy and God does use entendre and so it could also be a prophecy of the comming Anointed one.Jhn 1:14 And the Word became flesh and…[Read more]

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    Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 25 2011,13:45)Quote (Pastry @ Aug. 25 2011,13:16)Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 25 2011,13:07)Quote (Pastry @ Aug. 25 2011,12:54)Ed!  Yes, but we did not exist before we became flesh…..Hi Irene,Speak for yourself. (See 2Tm.1:9)God blessEd J (Joshua 22:34)http://www.holycitybiblecode.org(1) Ed!  Then where did you come from?  (2) Not fr…[Read more]

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    Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 25 2011,15:46)Irene,We obviously understand two different things about who/what the Spirit of God is.The Spirit of God is part of God but it also has an individual existence as a separate entity that has traits of a person but is not a person.  That is why Jesus in John 16:13 states “for he shall not speak of himself; but wh…[Read more]

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