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    shimmer, when you and others understand that God is a title then you will understand that Jesus is called God, there are two Scriptures that say so….Hbr 1:8 But unto the Son , Thy throne, O God, for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness the sceptre of thy kingdom. Jhn 1:1 ¶ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and…[Read more]

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    WE'RE FAMILY   Good to see we're together again, it;s a very special place…   Well it;s no surprise, that gleam in your eyes…   And that smile upon your face, with so many friends…   Both old and new….   There's a feeling, oh so rare,   The anticipation is felt all around, there's excitement in the air                        CHORUS      …[Read more]

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    PierreWhy do you struggle against the Bible?The Bible tells you that Satan was locked away for a thousand years.Then he will be released to deceive those who are not rooted in their believes.You have to remember, all those that will be born during the millennium, will have no experience what Satan can do to your mind; those that follow him will be…[Read more]

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    Quote Working for you own cleanliness is denying the work done by Jesus. Saved from sin is a “gift” from God accepted by faith. You do not “pay” for a gift freely given.TimWhat, are you kidding me….. The gift by faith in Jesus is grace and our salvation… You got it all wrong…Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of…[Read more]

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    Quote Irene: God bless you. How can you quote 1John1:9 and say we still have sin? 1:8 says we had sin but 1:9 completely wipes it out! If we acknowledge (confess) sin, HE IS FAITHFUL AND JUST TO FORGIVE US OUR SIN, (AND) CLEANSE US FROM ALL UNRIGHTEOUSNESS!!!Tim!  Is that why you think we don't sin any longer?  Well you know the Bible does not c…[Read more]

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    Quote (ftk @ Aug. 30 2011,00:31)Irene: Bless you! In my opinion you have many doctrines built on the revelation that are not accurate. I don't believe you will be able come to certain Godly truths unless you are at least willing to relinquish some of those doctrines. You make reference to when Christ returns which must mean you do not believe…[Read more]

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    Quote (ftk @ Aug. 29 2011,02:03)Saying anything that does not agree with what God says is exalting ones self or position above God. God says you are clean. If you say you are not, I say that is placing your word above Gods. God says Jesus took away our sin. God only says what is true.Ed what do you say is sin?  TKTim! What about this…[Read more]

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    TK In a sense you are correct we are born again by Gods Holy Spirit and are under the New Covenant in Jesus blood…. but I don't believe Pierre was talking about that…. She was saying when all is done and Christ returns, who will be in the first resurrection and who will be a Spirit Being and who will be the meek that inherit the…[Read more]

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    Ed!Jhn 1:14 ¶ And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. The glory of the only begotten of the Father is Jesus…. It is Jesus who became a man, not Gods Holy Spirit…. Gods Holy Spirit is in us, it did not become flesh, it is in flesh,…[Read more]

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    t8 True, the Bible doesn't say how the Angels were created… Neither does it show us how Jesus was created, when there was nothing in the beginning… But since God is Spirit and only Spirit can be with God, I still believe they were Spirit Beings. Of course I could be wrong in all of this…Both Jesus and the Angels are messengers for God, so…[Read more]

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    Wm!  Shimmer is right, Kathi believes that Jehovah is a unity between Jesus and His Father and both are called by that name…You should really read up on what was said on this tread…. Kathi also says that those that do not believe that doctrine is an unbeliever…. When in fact Jehovah is the name of Almighty God Alone….Psa 83:18   That m…[Read more]

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    PierreUnfortunately you haven't changed much; you leave our discussion without haven finished it; you bring in scriptures that have nothing to do with what we were talking about; in other words, what you have come up with makes no sense whatsoever.You have an unwillingness to learn, and I have no idea were you're coming from or were your going.I…[Read more]

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    Quote (shimmer @ Aug. 28 2011,15:54)Matt 19:He (Jesus) said to him, “Why do you call me good? No one is good but one, that is, God.  If you want to enter into life, keep the commandments”.Matt 22:(Jesus speaking) “Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind”. Joshua 24:”As for me and my house,…[Read more]

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    Kathi!  No I don't deny that He is the firstborn of all creation, No I don't deny He is the only begotten of the Father…No, I don't deny that He is Lord of Lords and King of Kings…No I don't deny that He is the Son of Jehovah God.  I also gave you the Scripture in Proverbs 8:22Pro 8:22 ¶ The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, be…[Read more]

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    Kathi!  God is a creator, and He creates… Jesus is the firstborn of all creation…Arche has many meaning and is found many times in the Bible, like in the beginning in Mark 1:1… I found this on the Internet…. Since I know very little Greek…Jesus, in his prehuman existence, was “the first-born of all creation.” (Colossians 1:15, NJB) He…[Read more]

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    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 28 2011,03:55)The best part starts at 3:30 into the video.  :)Very inspiringAnd all the people will sing along….. He died and lives again… Amen, and Amen….

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    Pastry replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 13 years, 3 months ago

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 28 2011,03:46)Yeah, there is a new song that uses that prayer for the lyrics!  I love the song.  I will post it on your song thread so you can hear it.Great, thank you and I will look it up…

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    Quote (t8 @ Aug. 27 2011,19:35)So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit.The point is that Adam is the first man. Probably ruling the existence of any man before him.However, it is written that after the physical body comes the spiritual body. And we know that heavenly angels are spiritual…[Read more]

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    David!  The Elect that will reign with Christ, are those that gave their lives for Christ in  the first three centuries, especially….I don't believe that we qualify for that office… The multitude that stand in  front of Gods Throne and worship Him day and night, have washed their robes white in the blood of the Lamb….. who are they??? Si…[Read more]

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    OUR FATHEROur Father who art in Heaven, hollowd be Thy name,Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done,in earth, as it is in Heaven,Give us this day our daily bread, and forgive us our debt, As we forgive our debtors,And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil… Amen….Peace to all, Irene

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