Quote (Adam Pastor @ June 05 2007,10:41)Christ did NOT say that Abraham saw him!! neither did he say he saw Abraham!Adam – good point.This passage hasn't brought me the trouble that it does with some. The main reason is that I know Christ did not preexist; and if he did not preexist that understanding this scripture in light of what you shared…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 04 2007,10:54)Hi 94, Does every living being need to be conceived to exist?We should not restrict life to being visible life.He was before Abraham.Yes, every living human being needs to be conceived in order to exist! We should restrict human life to being visible AND to having begun their life from birth. This are the…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 05 2007,09:38)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 05 2007,09:20)Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 05 2007,08:24)Hi W, So both a person and the one Spirit?Two roles?NHIs the Father a person? Is the Son a person?Is there “One Spirit'? Hi W,Referring to this bible: Where is God called a person? Where is the Spirit said to be a person?…[Read more]

The Holy Spirit fills Jesus with Joy. Then Jesus said ” I prasie you FATHER”. Notice He didn't say I praise you Holy Spirit but he did when He reconized the Holy Spirit as the Father. ***********************************************Interesting, indeed

WJ, you are correct in that the Trinity does seem to reconcile the problems with certain scriptures…….but I'm not looking for a cure for the problems…….I'm looking for the truth of it all.

God is not the author of confusion. Why would he give us scriptures that *seem* not to make sense? Shouldn't we interpret those scriptures with the scriptures that are clear? Scriptures that show the holy Spirit is WHO God is and not a third person:1 Cor. 2:10-12If my statements are logical, then I will rest tonight knowing I am not out of my…[Read more]

I keep a dictionary with my Bible. Little words have big meanings sometimes! It really helps to understand what a verse is saying if you look up the meanings to basic words we pass by every day, like: to, also, and, one, of, with, make, born, best and a host of other little words that we think we know the meanings of……and then you continue…[Read more]

If the spirit of God is a unique and separate person, and having “spirit” is prerequisite to having a unique and separate personality, then the person called “the Spirit of God” must have his own “spirit” peculiar to himself and distinct from the Father and Son? Wouldn't we then be forced to the absurd belief in “the spirit of the Spirit”? If…[Read more]

WJ – found it!

WJ, is there a “Holy Spirit” thread that you could point me to easily? Thanks.

94,Thanks for sharing. Is this church where you hope to serve a Catholic church? Is a Bishop the same as a Pastor? Forgive my ignorance, please. Do you have to wear a robe? See, I have a problem with the robes and all the pomp and circumstance stuff (I think Jesus did, too).

Amen, to much of what you say Martian (except for the doggie doo-doo part) I also agree that Jesus must be human, however; he is also God's literal Son. Which for me, means that he is a little *more* than just “mere” humanity. He is the firstfruits of those of us to follow. I believe the Philippians passage that everyone loves to quote so…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 01 2007,12:34)Mainly because there is only One Spirit. Yet the Bible shows that the three persons of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit “Are” Wonderfully and Gloriously One Spirit!Maybe you could give me new light on this not3?No, I can't shed more light on this mystery for you. I can tell you that…[Read more]

This thread started because Martian wanted to share what a waste of time this board really is. May I suggest if you want to continue meaningful debates that you move to a thread where others can find you more easily. As it stands now, this thread has one title of, “Waste of time.”It would be a shame for others not to be able to locate the…[Read more]

My fault, Tim, what I meant was continue reading all the way until you get to John 17 where Jesus also says that WE can be “one” as he and his Father are “one.”

Thanks for this post, WJ. It comes close, I think. But what I'm wondering is that the “mystery” about being one was regarding Christ and the church…….My husband and I are one flesh because of our vows and literally, I believe, because of the physical love God has created for us. That part is easy. But to think that we are “one” in our…[Read more]

Don't stop at verse 30…..read on……

If you are not interested why are you reading this post? Why are you responding at all? I think you are interested but are puffed up with pride. I disagree with you – this is a ministry.You're in my prayers.

A manger birth certainly does not look like the birth of a Prince……..but the wise men recognized him.

Brother,Be encouraged. Press on towards the prize! We have not yet attained the prize but we work towards it.Not everyone will embrace your teaching. Maybe no one will buy your book? What then? Never give up sharing and living the gospel. Your reward will always be in heaven (paradise)….rarely is your reward here (on earth).The beauty of…[Read more]