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    Quote (david @ Feb. 16 2009,16:29)
    Many disagree with you.  And Jesus was definitely without any question a mal·’akh.'  In fact, he was undoubtedly God's chief Malakh.  No question.

    Why not discuss this in the other thread/


    Yahshua did bring the message of the New Covenant.

    #111272

    Quote (Guest @ May 27 2002,12:37)
    I recently had the joy of God using me to bring a lost soul from India to salvation. Upon his request I sent him a bible, in which he claimed it was the greatest gift he ever recieved.

    Like everyone who reads the bible this person had a question to ask me.  I`m not exactly sure how to answer the question, nor am I sure what the answer is. I am hoping someone here will be able to help me.

    The question is: In Matthew 1:1-16 Jesus does not belong to Joseph, just Mary. And Mary is not from the line of David (or is she), so how can Jesus be from the line of David?

    I will check back for any responses. However, if someone would like to e-mail me an answer, that is fine as well.  My e-mail address is: [email protected]

    Thank you everyone for your time.


    Revelation 22:16
    “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.”
    Hebrews 10:5
    Therefore, when Christ came into the world, he said: “Sacrifice and offering you did not desire, but a body you prepared for me;

    NIV
    Footnotes:
    Psalm 40:6
    Hebrew; Septuagint: but a body you have prepared for me. (see also Symmachus and Theodotion)

    #111231

    Quote (theodorej @ Oct. 29 2008,06:37)

    Quote (MichaelTheeArchAngel @ Oct. 29 2008,02:19)

    Quote (theodorej @ Oct. 29 2008,00:32)
    Greetings Mike……Perhaps the evolution of seven churches as explained in the beginning of Revelation when Gods message was given specifically to them….eg.Pergamos, Sardis, Philadelphia and Laodacia….Iam at a loss for the names of the remaining three….


    At the time John wrote Revelation there were many more churches then those. I am sure that it is parabolic to a future event.


    Greetings Mike…….Yes ,there certainly were many churches,however,that passage was speaking to the sucession of Gods church,which goes by the name of The Church of God….


    Perhaps the Church of God will be one of the seven. The one thing that I know for sure is, that the seven will be keeping all of the commandments of God. Mark 3:17
    James son of Zebedee and his brother John (to them he gave the name Boanerges, which means Sons of Thunder);
    Revelation 10
    The Angel and the Little Scroll
    Revelation 10:1.Then I saw another mighty angel coming down from heaven. He was robed in a cloud, with a rainbow above his head; his face was like the sun, and his legs were like fiery pillars. 2.He was holding a little scroll, which lay open in his hand. He planted his right foot on the sea and his left foot on the land, 3.and he gave a loud shout like the roar of a lion. When he shouted, the voices of the seven thunders spoke. 4.And when the seven thunders spoke, I was about to write; but I heard a voice from heaven say, “Seal up what the seven thunders have said and do not write it down.”

    #111220

    Quote (theodorej @ Oct. 29 2008,00:32)
    Greetings Mike……Perhaps the evolution of seven churches as explained in the beginning of Revelation when Gods message was given specifically to them….eg.Pergamos, Sardis, Philadelphia and Laodacia….Iam at a loss for the names of the remaining three….


    At the time John wrote Revelation there were many more churches then those. I am sure that it is parabolic to a future event.

    #101575

    Quote (david @ Aug. 14 2008,12:09)

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    8And God called the firmament Heaven.

    yes, God called the expanse (firmament) heaven.  True.  It doesn't say he called earth heaven.

    It's the same expanse or “heaven” where dew and frost form (Ge 27:28; Job 38:29), the birds fly (De 4:17; Pr 30:19; Mt 6:26), the winds blow (Ps 78:26), lightning flashes (Lu 17:24), and the clouds float and drop their rain, snow, or hailstones (Jos 10:11; 1Ki 18:45; Isa 55:10; Ac 14:17).

    And nor does luke 17 say anything to that effect.

    The king of that kingdom was among them, so it could be said that the kingdom was among them.  And yes, it's a heavenly kingdom.  But the kingdom of God is not heaven.

    Otherwise, phrases like “heavenly kingdom”  would mean heavenly heaven. (2 tim 4:18)
    Similarly, a kingdom is a government run by a king.  When we hear the phrase “kingdom of the heavens” it means a government with it's rulers in heaven.


    Is this any help to you? ******* Revelation 21

    1. Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. 2. I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. 3. And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Now the dwelling of God is with men, and he will live with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God.

    #101487

    Quote (Irene @ Aug. 15 2008,04:09)
    We just palinly say Heavenly Father Almighty God. And Jesus Christ His only begotten Son. So what is wrong with that?
    Peace and Love Irene


    Thats fine.

    #101372

    Why is my code always malfunctioning?

    #101371

    Because I am a Judaeo Christian, I do not believe in deforming God's Name or His Messiah, who is Yahshua. Nor do I believe in misleading people in knowing His name. And that is why you should listen to me before anybody else on the subject. Many people think or believe that they are Judaeo Christians, but are not. A Jew is a convert to Judaism, and before people were called Christians, they were called converts to Judaism.

    #101312

    Quote (david @ Aug. 14 2008,18:14)

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    In the Hebrew Old Testament, the word used for “firmament” is “raqiya`” (pronounced rä·kē'·ah) meaning an extended solid surface or flat expanse, considered to be a hemisphere above the ground.

    And a little more information:
    firmament Look up firmament at Dictionary.com

      c.1250, from L. firmamentum “firmament,” lit. “a support or strengthening,” from firmus “firm” (see firm (adj.)), used in Vulgate to translate Gk. stereoma “firm or solid structure,” which translated Heb. raqia, a word used of both the vault of the sky and the floor of the earth in the O.T., probably lit. “expanse,” from raqa “to spread out,” but in Syriac meaning “to make firm or solid,” hence the erroneous translation.

    http://www.etymonline.com/index.p….de=none

    Even the King James Version Bible, which uses “firmament,” says in the margin, “expansion.”

    This is because the Hebrew word ra·qi′a‛, translated “expanse,” means to stretch out or spread out or expand.

    http://www.searchgodsword.org/lex/heb/view.cgi?number=7549

    Long before Aristotle (384-322 B.C.E.), who believed that the stars were driven into the sky like nails, Genesis (1:6-8) described the heavenly vault as an “expanse” (New World Translation), or “firmament” (Douay Version). The word “firmament” comes from the Latin firmare, which means to give consistency, to make firm, or solid. Jerome used this expression in the Latin Vulgate in translating the Hebrew word raqia that, to the contrary, means “extended surface,” “expanse.” According to T. Moreux, former head of Bourges Observatory, France, “this expanse, which to us constitutes heaven, is designated in the Hebrew text by a word which the [Greek] Septuagint, influenced by the cosmological ideas prevailing at the time, translated by stereoma, firmament, solid canopy. Moses transmits no such thought. The Hebrew word raqia only conveys the idea of extent or, better still, expanse.” The Bible has therefore described, most accurately, the expanse or atmosphere above us.


    Well I thank God that the sky is not solid in this expanding world.

    #101294

    Quote (david @ Aug. 14 2008,12:09)

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    8And God called the firmament Heaven.

    yes, God called the expanse (firmament) heaven.  True.  It doesn't say he called earth heaven.

    It's the same expanse or “heaven” where dew and frost form (Ge 27:28; Job 38:29), the birds fly (De 4:17; Pr 30:19; Mt 6:26), the winds blow (Ps 78:26), lightning flashes (Lu 17:24), and the clouds float and drop their rain, snow, or hailstones (Jos 10:11; 1Ki 18:45; Isa 55:10; Ac 14:17).

    And nor does luke 17 say anything to that effect.

    The king of that kingdom was among them, so it could be said that the kingdom was among them.  And yes, it's a heavenly kingdom.  But the kingdom of God is not heaven.

    Otherwise, phrases like “heavenly kingdom”  would mean heavenly heaven. (2 tim 4:18)
    Similarly, a kingdom is a government run by a king.  When we hear the phrase “kingdom of the heavens” it means a government with it's rulers in heaven.


    In the Hebrew Old Testament, the word used for “firmament” is “raqiya`” (pronounced rä·kē'·ah) meaning an extended solid surface or flat expanse, considered to be a hemisphere above the ground.

    #101292

    Quote (david @ Aug. 14 2008,11:15)
    Yahawah (Yahweh) may be the way this was originally pronounced in Hebrew.

    In Hebrew “hawah” means “becomes” and so his name means:

    “He causes to become.”

    ****

    Jesus name in Hebrew (maybe Yeshua or Yahshua or Yahashua) means: “Yahawah is salvation.)

    You can break down the parts of Yahashua into it's Hebrew components.

    But if you try to break down the parts of “Jesus” into Hebrew components, what are you doing?

    Something quite meaningless and perhaps deceptive.


    Did you read carefully the very first post? Yahwah means: Life Began. The translation I am giving you is the most ancient from the “semitic” language. Re-read the very first post. Hebrew is a mix of diffrent languages in that area of peoples.

    #101283

    Quote (david @ Aug. 14 2008,11:05)
    Right.  So, it's not a Hebrew word then.  We're agreed.


    Because it is the wrong translation it makes God out to be evil. It is for those who wish to promote Dualism in scripture. That is why I do not like it. It makes God out to be evil. God is not Je-Ho-vah. God is Yah Wah.

    #101282

    Quote (david @ Aug. 14 2008,10:49)
    Sorry, I forgot that you believe heaven means “earth” here.  Very convenient.


    The Coming of the Kingdom of God
    Luke 17:20.
    Once, having been asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, “The kingdom of God does not come with your careful observation, 21nor will people say, 'Here it is,' or 'There it is,' because the kingdom of God is among you.” Genesis 1

    6And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

    7And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

    8And God called the firmament Heaven.

    #101278

    Quote (david @ Aug. 14 2008,10:45)

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    And Hovah is a Hebrew word for: The Hovah part of Je-hovah means RUIN and MISCHIEF in Hebrew,

    Is Jehovah a Hebrew word Mike?  No.


    It is a translation into English for the Hebrew.

    #101271

    Quote (david @ Aug. 14 2008,10:23)

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    The Hovah part of Je-hovah means RUIN and MISCHIEF in Hebrew, according to Strong's Concordance #1943. Hovah is another form form #1942; RUIN and MISCHIEF.

    Except “Jehovah” isn't Hebrew.??

    So…

    It's like saying what does the “sus” part of Jesus mean?  Jesus isn't a Hebrew name either.


    Jah is a corruption of Yah in Hebrew. And Hovah is a Hebrew word for: The Hovah part of Je-hovah means RUIN and MISCHIEF in Hebrew, according to Strong's Concordance #1943. Hovah is another form form #1942; RUIN and MISCHIEF. SEE: STRONG'S CONCORDANCE.

    #101269

    Quote (david @ Aug. 14 2008,10:07)

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    Simply put, the word “Heaven” means place or places.

    No, that's not what it means.  It can refer to different places: spritual heavens, physical heavens, human rulerships, etc, but it doesn't mean “place or places.”

    Do you not give any notice to the scriptures I showed which make extremely plain who the “our brothers” are that had the work of witnessing?


    You only affirmed what I said. Is Michael and his Messengers OUR BROTHERS?

    #101266

    The Hovah part of Je-hovah means RUIN and MISCHIEF in Hebrew, according to Strong's Concordance #1943. Hovah is another form form #1942; RUIN and MISCHIEF.

    #101206

    Quote (david @ Aug. 13 2008,17:41)

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    but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them in heaven (in Genesis God calls the earth heaven) any longer. 9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels (messengers) were cast out with him.

    –mike

    In brackets you say (in Genesis God calls the earth heaven) and you say this after the word “heaven” indicating that you believe the “heaven” here is actually the earth.  But the next verse says he was cast out and cast to “the earth.”
    If “heaven” means “earth”, what does “earth” mean?
    He could not have been cast from the earth to the earth, because it says there was no place found for him there, anymore.

    I think a more realistic explanation is that he was cast from heaven to earth. (being locked out of or having no access to the other angels or God as it were.)
    That's why there was rejoicing in heaven when this happened, but “woe” for the earth.

    Also, you again say that the “our brothers” does not refer to humans on earth, but did you notice this:

    REVELATION 12:11
    “They conquered [Satan] because . . . of the word of THEIR WITNESSING.”  

    Just a few verses later:

    REVELATION 12:17
    “And the dragon grew wrathful at the woman, and went off to wage war with the remaining ones of her seed, who observe the commandments of God and have the WORK OF BEARING WITNESS TO JESUS.”

    It is humans on earth who are witnessing about Jesus and his Father.

    REVELATION 1:9
    “I John, YOUR brother and a sharer with YOU in the tribulation and kingdom and endurance in company with Jesus, came to be in the isle that is called Pat′mos for speaking about God and bearing witness to Jesus.”

    REVELATION 19:10
    “At that I fell down before his feet to worship him. But he tells me: “Be careful! Do not do that! All I am is a fellow slave of you and of YOUR BROTHERS WHO HAVE THE WORK OF WITNESSING TO JESUS. Worship God; for the bearing witness to Jesus is what inspires prophesying.””

    Again, these brothers of the speaker, who have the work of witnessing, are humans on earth.


    Perhaps this verse will answer your question. Luke 17:20. Once, having been asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, “The kingdom of God does not come with your careful observation, 21nor will people say, 'Here it is,' or 'There it is,' because the kingdom of God is among you.” Simply put, the word “Heaven” means place or places. Also when a leader is cast down in the world, it means they lost their place of leadership.

    #101195

    Quote (david @ Aug. 13 2008,15:48)

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    If the subject is about Michael and his Messengers then THEY are the THEY being talked about. Did you see another set of charactors being talked about? I did not see another set of charactors being talked about. Hmmmm

    Did you see the words “Our brethren” or “our brothers.”  

    the accuser of OUR BRETHREN, who accused THEM before our God day and night, has been cast down. 11 And THEY (our brothers) overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death.

    I do not believe the “our brothers' is referring to Michael and the messengers (angels.)


    “Our brothers” is secondary and not the subject of “They.” Inserting “Our brothers” after “They” does not make them the subject. However I do agree that all of our brothers who hold to the testamony of Yahshua will have a victory.

    #101188

    Quote (david @ Aug. 13 2008,14:08)

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    ummm

    I agree.

    ummm?

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    Rev 12:11. They overcame him
        by the blood of the Lamb
        and by the word of their testimony;
     they did not love their lives so much
        as to shrink from death.

    Putting part of it in bold does not explain who the “they” are.

    Notice who the “they” are, once again:

    “Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of OUR BRETHREN, who accused THEM before our God day and night, has been cast down. 11 And THEY (our brothers) overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death.

    It was because of the word of their witnessing or testimony, and because of the blood of the lamb that “they” (our brothers) conquered him.

    Yes, of course, you are right, “angel” and “messenger” exact same word.

    And yes, that word can be translated “prince” or “leader” but I have no idea why you're telling us that.

    I'm wondering if you could explain this, with a paragraph or something:

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    If Michael and his messengers over come Satan by the blood of the Lamb, then Michael is not the Lamb.

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    A messenger of God is a person either here on earth, or from the Kingdom of God.


    Of course, angels are messengers.  The word that is translated as messenger and angel are the exact same.  But, to distinguish between human messengers and spirit messerngers, we use the word “angels.”


    If the subject is about Michael and his Messengers then THEY are the THEY being talked about. Did you see another set of charactors being talked about? I did not see another set of charactors being talked about. Hmmmm

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