Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 23 2012,07:17)Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Aug. 21 2012,19:14)The plan became flesh, and tabernacled among us with the esteem of Yahweh's only begotten son .Why would a plan of Yahweh have the glory of the Son of Yahweh?  Is the plan actually Yahweh's Son?Mike,Such foolish and twisted questions that you ask! WHO IS THE…[Read more]

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Aug. 23 2012,09:04)RELATIVELY FEW SCRIPTURES SEEM TO INDICATE ANY PRE-EXISTENCE OF JESUSThe vast majority of the scriptures are not used in any way in an attempt to prove the doctrine of pre-existence. For instance, from the entire Hebrew Scriptures only Genesis 1:26; Proverbs 8:22, 30 and Micah 5:2 are used in any attempt at…[Read more]

RELATIVELY FEW SCRIPTURES SEEM TO INDICATE ANY PRE-EXISTENCE OF JESUSThe vast majority of the scriptures are not used in any way in an attempt to prove the doctrine of pre-existence. For instance, from the entire Hebrew Scriptures only Genesis 1:26; Proverbs 8:22, 30 and Micah 5:2 are used in any attempt at such proof.In the Greek Scriptures there…[Read more]

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Aug. 22 2012,11:51)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 22 2012,11:28)Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Aug. 21 2012,18:00)Thus, we have a historic precedent which shows the proper understanding of logos is as the “Divine Plan, thought, or motive” of the Almighty Creator.In the beginning was the Divine Plan, and the Divine Plan was with THE God…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 22 2012,11:28)Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Aug. 21 2012,18:00)Thus, we have a historic precedent which shows the proper understanding of logos is as the “Divine Plan, thought, or motive” of the Almighty Creator.In the beginning was the Divine Plan, and the Divine Plan was with THE God Jehovah, and the Divine Plan was THE God…[Read more]

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Aug. 22 2012,11:16)“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”In Modern Western philosophy the focus is on the individual: the me, myself and I. In contrast to this, the Ancient Hebrew/Eastern philosophy always focuses on the whole or the community: the us, our and we. When we read the…[Read more]

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”In Modern Western philosophy the focus is on the individual: the me, myself and I. In contrast to this, the Ancient Hebrew/Eastern philosophy always focuses on the whole or the community: the us, our and we. When we read the Bible we must interpret it according to the…[Read more]

LOGOS AND THE PRE-EXISTENCE ISSUEInterestingly, the term logos dovetails perfectly with the previous sure Biblically Hebraic fact.  Why do I say this?  Well, if the translators had not been so biased in passages such as the famous ones of John 1 where they render the term as “Word”, it would be obvious; however, since they were I will explain.  …[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 21 2012,11:25)Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 20 2012,17:09)Hi Mike,Because that is not the bible's message.The bible's message is that there are no other gods.No Ed,That's YOUR message.  The BIBLE'S messages is “indeed there are many gods” – as you're slowly beginning to learn in the thread by that name.  There is no other source of p…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 21 2012,10:52)Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Aug. 20 2012,17:07)Mike,1.  The fact is, “the Word TO BE IN SOMEONE WHO WAS ALREADY FLESH”.  2.  Unfortunately for your understanding,  Yahchanan 1:14 says “the Word BECAME flesh”.Frank,1.  Can you show me the word “IN” in the Greek text of John 1:14?2.  Yes, that is the correct trans…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 21 2012,10:44)Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Aug. 20 2012,16:51)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 21 2012,08:24)Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Aug. 20 2012,14:56)Mike,It would be deceptive to acknowledge such possibilities!Could you tell me WHY, Frank?Mike,Because Yahshua did not pre-exist his birth as an actual being.Wow Frank.   That's a pretty…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 21 2012,08:17)Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 20 2012,02:01)Jesus is the first as the Spirit was put on him and he is the way others have the Word placed in them.Kerwin, In YOUR understanding, John 1:14 would have to say “the Word CAME TO BE IN SOMEONE WHO WAS ALREADY FLESH”.  Unfortunately for your understanding, John 1:14 says “the…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 21 2012,08:24)Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Aug. 20 2012,14:56)Mike,It would be deceptive to acknowledge such possibilities!Could you tell me WHY, Frank?Mike,Because Yahshua did not pre-exist his birth as an actual being. Is not this what you have been lead to deceptively believe and what you are attempting others to deceptively…[Read more]

The word “theos” in Yahchanan 1:1 does NOT refer to the person of Yahshua Messiah as a pre-eistent being that was with his and our Father Yahweh in the beginning!ELOHIM: ONE, OR MORE THAN ONE?Exodus 32By Voy Wilks3/9/98The Pre-existencePhilippians 2:5-11By Voy Wilks1/29/92WHO IS THE WORD?John Chapter OneDid Yahshua Create Or Pre-exist His…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 19 2012,10:54)Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Aug. 18 2012,15:09)……..the word translated as 'god' does not always give reference to an actual being, person or mighty one, but can also simply refer to power, strength or might.So then you agree that the word “theos” in 1:1c does NOT refer to the person of God mentioned in 1:1b as…[Read more]

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Aug. 19 2012,08:09)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 19 2012,01:40)Quote (jammin @ Aug. 17 2012,19:59)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 18 2012,08:18)jammin,Many mss have “only begotten son” in 1:18, and many others have “only begotten god”.  It's hard to tell which one John really wrote, but he definitely called Jesus a god in 1:1, right?…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 19 2012,01:40)Quote (jammin @ Aug. 17 2012,19:59)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 18 2012,08:18)jammin,Many mss have “only begotten son” in 1:18, and many others have “only begotten god”.  It's hard to tell which one John really wrote, but he definitely called Jesus a god in 1:1, right?  So I have no problem with Jesus being a g…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 18 2012,15:25)Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Aug. 18 2012,20:22)Well, that is news. I had not realized that Mike was a Jehovah's Witness! Fhow do you know ? Pieear,I never said that I did know.

Well, that is news. I had not realized that Mike was a Jehovah's Witness!

Nowhere in the so-called “New Testament” does Yahchanan ever call Yahshua “a god”! Anyone who believes such foolishness is reading into the translations of Father Yahweh's inspired prophetic word something that simply is not there.The Pre-existencePhilippians 2:5-11By Voy Wilks1/29/92WHO IS THE WORD?John Chapter OneDid Yahshua Create Or Pre-exist…[Read more]