Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 08 2006,22:03)Hi f4y, It is not a case of finding a translation or two that suits our doctrine is it?No, it is a case in finding a translation of passages that are in accordance with Father Yahweh's word as a whole to replace with the FEW choice passages that do not agree with Father Yahweh's word as a whole.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 08 2006,21:27)Hi f4y You say”… Hebrews 1:8 should be properly translated as follows:But to the son He says: The throne of your Father is for ever and ever; a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of your kingdom.”  I realise you have found this translation to your liking but why do you say it is the correct one…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 08 2006,00:00)Hi f4y, You quote”And again, when He brings in the FIRSTbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of Yahweh worship him.” (Hebrews 1:6)” God is not a midwife so this does not relate to the birth of the Christ but a being whom God has already begotten that He then brings into the World.Hmm!…[Read more]

Yeah Oxy,I've herad that stupid doctrine all my life.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 07 2006,21:32)Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Sep. 07 2006,19:12)Quote But the Son was a son when he was sent.Nick, It is so funny how you use an upper case 'S' in your quote above and a lowercase 's' in your second use of the word son. To Believe “Jesus Pre-existed His Birth” Is To Be Deceived!Hi f4y, I am a son. That is a…[Read more]

Trinity Sminity!“Trinity (theology), in Christian theology, doctrine that God exist as three persons – Father, Son, and Holy Spirit – who are united in one substance or being. The doctrine is not taught explicitly in the New Testament, where the word God almost invaribly refers to the Father; …”Encarta Encyclopedia”Nowhere in the New Testament…[Read more]

Quote But the Son was a son when he was sent.Nick, It is so funny how you use an upper case 'S' in your quote above and a lowercase 's' in your second use of the word son. To Believe “Jesus Pre-existed His Birth” Is To Be Deceived!

Quote (heiscomingintheclouds @ Sep. 07 2006,02:53)So Frank, when exactly do you believe the Father begat the Son? Don't you believe that the Son was in the beginning, even before the heavens and the earth? Don't you believe that God spoke all things into existance? Don't you believe that Jesus is the Word? Don't you believe that in the beginning…[Read more]

Nick,There were also many others who were sent into the world by Father Yahweh, but that does not mean that they pre-existed with Father Yahweh as beings with Father Yahweh.Yahweh Sent His SonThe New Testament uses several phrases that would suggest that our Savior existed as a being in heaven prior to his earthly birth. Among those phrases are;…[Read more]

Quote But I still respect the reasons for not using the name of God,lest we be like those punished for slipping when carrying the Ark of the Covenant.There is no sound reasoning for not using the Name of our Heavenly Father and Creator Nick. Do you really undersatand the reasoning by my they chose not to use His Name? They slipped when they took…[Read more]

Sorry Nick!That was heiscomingintheclouds that made that “Son God” remark. You still won't let go of that Trinitarian pre-existent son doctrine though. If they did not have a pre-existent son their so called “Holy Trinity” doctrine would not have a leg to stand on. Yahshua Did Not Pre-exist His Birth

Nick,To refer to our Heavenly Father and Creator or His son Yahshua as a mere “God” (or “god”) is to adhere to the eror of the scribes, translators, and revisors. That is what I meant when I said the confusion comes because they do not give Father Yahweh the esteem (glory) that is due unto His Name. This still stands true in this very time period.…[Read more]

I believe that:To Believe “Jesus Is God” Is To Be Deceived!

Sorry! Correction again! Would be nice if one could edit their posts on this forum. Word Studies On Worship

Quote (heiscomingintheclouds @ Sep. 03 2006,13:48)God the Father, made the Son God over all of creation. I would say that makes him our God. He will remain our God until God the Father says differently. Yet, you must understand the relationship of when we worship Jesus as God, for he is the image of the Father. And no one can come to the Father,…[Read more]

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Aug. 31 2006,15:22)Nick,Do you believe that Yahshua pre-existed his birth as a separate being with Father Yahweh in the beginning? Do you believe Father Yahweh created His son Yahshua before He created Adam?Yes or no? I thought I was rephrase and break the questions that you did not give a direct answer to down for you.

The topic of this thread is “Why the Confusion?”I say the confusion comes because of the various aspects of the so called “Holy Trinity” doctrine (including a pre-existent and eternal son) and because they do not give Father Yahweh the esteem (glory) that is due unto His Name (Psalm 29:2, 96:8 & I Chronicles 16:29).

Quote (epistemaniac @ Aug. 31 2006,17:00)Frank, if the Bible says something one time… is that enough for you to believe it as the very truth of God?Never ONCE does it say in Scripture “Jesus preexisted as the eternal Son prior to His incarnation” and “jesus was the creator of all things”.

Nick,Back on this topic … Do you believe that Yahshua pre-existed his birth as a separate being with Father Yahweh in the beginning? Do you believe Father Yahweh created His son Yahshua before He created Adam or sometime in between His creating Adam and when he was born here on earth or what? Believe me, I am trying to make sense of what it is…[Read more]

Yes Nick. I believe Yahshua is the son of Father Yahweh. I never said that I did not.I do not understand why you would want to sidetrack me from this topic and insist that I go to another topic on another thread. Do you believe that the meaning of the Greek word monogenes relates in some way to this topic or what?