Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 06 2011,10:45)FrankQuote As a child, Yahshua “waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of Yahweh was upon him” (Lu.2:40). Even at that time Yahshua knew who he was, knew who his Father was (Lu.2:49), and knew what he had to do. By the time of his baptism he was so filled with wisdom, knowledge, Spirit, and…[Read more]

Following is an excerpt from: http://www.torahofmessiah.com/enyprexist.html that follows closely to what it is that I believe:Yahweh's Firstborn Two scriptures are often used to show that Yahshua was the very first act of creation by Yahweh. Everything else is said to have been created by, or with the help of, Yahshua. Those scriptures are…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 06 2011,07:09)Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Nov. 05 2011,14:12)This pre-existence doctrine stems from the “Triune Jesus IS God!” doctrine. Nonsense!  The scriptures CLEARLY teach of the pre-existence of Jesus while a triune godhead is pure fantasy.Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Nov. 05 2011,14:12)I do not believe that Yahshua “existed and…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 01 2011,09:06)Mike,My argument is against both “pre-existence of Yahshua as an actual being with his and our Father Yahweh in the beginning (or '… before the founding of the earth.')” and the “Jesus IS God!” doctrines. This pre-existence doctrine stems from the “Triune Jesus IS God!” doctrine. I do not believe that…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 31 2011,11:39)Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Oct. 30 2011,14:28)The first part of this passage if speaking of Yahshua being or existing in the form, image or likeness of Yahweh. Now, many might take this translation when it says “… He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 31 2011,12:17)Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Oct. 30 2011,12:56)Mike,As I have said I have no disire to answer your points, since I clearly said that I did not come here to dicusss anything with you or anyone like you. I have yet to have anyone show me Scripture that refutes what it is that I believe. That is what I said, I came…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 31 2011,09:43)Frank,If the word 'incarnation' isn't there, that doesn't mean the concept isn't there.A definition of incarnation:any person or animal serving as the embodiment of a god or spirit.Phil 2:5 Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, 6who, although He existed in the form of God, did not…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 29 2011,13:41)Frank,Phil 2:5 Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, 6who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. 8Being found in appearance as a…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 29 2011,15:20)Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Oct. 28 2011,20:41)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 29 2011,13:00)I agree that neither Jehovah nor John had the intention of claiming Jesus was “God Almighty”.But do you deny that Jesus was A god? (Mighty one/One whom should be revered)It seems that you think Jehovah referred to the false…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 29 2011,13:00)I agree that neither Jehovah nor John had the intention of claiming Jesus was “God Almighty”.But do you deny that Jesus was A god? (Mighty one/One whom should be revered)It seems that you think Jehovah referred to the false teachings of the Trinitarians in Is 9:6.  But why would he lump a false title Jesus…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 29 2011,13:10)Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Oct. 28 2011,15:37)Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 28 2011,15:32)Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Oct. 27 2011,18:54)Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 27 2011,13:32)Hi Frank,Welcome back!  Do you believe that the Messiah was a mere man only?KathiPeace greetings Kathi,Well, that all depends on what you mean by…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 29 2011,12:33)Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Oct. 28 2011,14:37)One more point:  Shaul, writing to the Hebrews makes it clear that “…he had to be made like his brothers (1) in every way, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to Yahweh, and that he might make atonement for the sins of the peop…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 29 2011,12:25)Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Oct. 27 2011,19:49)Mike,Look at Isaiah 9:6 the following translation:he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.How do you conclude that Father Yahweh called him this…………..Okay Frank, I stand corrected.  But it was the Father who…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 29 2011,11:56)Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Oct. 29 2011,17:24)Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 28 2011,13:51)frankQuote Look at Isaiah 9:6 the following translation:he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.How do you conclude that Father Yahweh called him this or anything else when in fact it…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 28 2011,13:51)frankQuote Look at Isaiah 9:6 the following translation:he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.How do you conclude that Father Yahweh called him this or anything else when in fact it does not say that Father Yahweh called him this. No, it does not say “he will…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 29 2011,05:16)Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Oct. 28 2011,05:54)Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 27 2011,13:32)Hi Frank,Welcome back!  Do you believe that the Messiah was a mere man only?KathiPeace greetings Kathi,Well, that all depends on what you mean by “mere”. Yahshua said that he was “a man” or “son of man” and “son of Yahweh”. Note that…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 28 2011,15:32)Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Oct. 27 2011,18:54)Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 27 2011,13:32)Hi Frank,Welcome back!  Do you believe that the Messiah was a mere man only?KathiPeace greetings Kathi,Well, that all depends on what you mean by “mere”. Yahshua said that he was “a man” or “son of man” and “son of Yahweh”. Note…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 28 2011,12:28)Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Oct. 27 2011,18:44)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 28 2011,11:12)Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Oct. 27 2011,17:54)I have noted that many here believe that Yahshua pre-existed his birth as an actual being and refer to him and our Father Yahweh by the word 'god'. I myself do not follow in this line of…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 28 2011,12:26)Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Oct. 27 2011,18:40)Did you ever note that Yahchanan (John), which you have quoted (MAYBE?) is the only one who uses such wording as to what Yahshua said or has been translated or conveyed as using such wording? So, actually you are not quoting what Yahshua actually said, but Yahchanan's…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 28 2011,11:12)Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Oct. 27 2011,17:54)I have noted that many here believe that Yahshua pre-existed his birth as an actual being and refer to him and our Father Yahweh by the word 'god'. I myself do not follow in this line of thinking.If Jehovah Himself called Jesus a god in Is 9:6, then why would you not…[Read more]