Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 25 2011,06:09)Quote (Baker @ April 24 2011,10:47)The reason why I believe that not all will be Spirit Beings is,Hi Irene,When have I ever said “all will become spirit beings”?  mikeI didn't apply to mean you did, Mike……Irene

Quote (Istari @ April 25 2011,05:31)Csaliba,Each time Jesus did a miracle or a good deed he prayed IN FAITH to his Father for power and authority of the Holy Spirit. He never did anything without his Father – he relied on his Father.That then cannot possibly mean OMNIPOTENCE…What was the SOURCE of Jesus' Power and the SOURCE of his Authority?…[Read more]

Mike !  You are probably right.  Except Paladin never said that.  Even if Jesus did not exist before the world was, He was different from the beginning of His birth.  I have never seen a12 year old boy go into the Temple and preach!!!  Have you?  He also was not conceived like a Human being.  He is the literal Son of God, not made from the dust o…[Read more]

Mike!  I like to answer  Istari's question, don't be upset.  The Angels were created next, through Jesus.  They too are called the Son's of God.  There are ranks as far as the Angels  are concerned.  The cherubs or Archangels are higher then the regular Angels, But all are called the Son's of God, Michael, Gabriel and Lucifer, who became Satan.…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 25 2011,04:26)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 24 2011,09:03)One set of believes separates Jesus from our exact identity ,while the other accepts Jesus as an identical human beingSee what I was saying in that long post, Marty?  One cannot possibly hope to let the scriptures TEACH THEM when they have already made their mind…[Read more]

Quote (csaliba @ April 25 2011,00:51)Quote (Baker @ April 24 2011,12:38)IreneJesus is OMNIPOTENT.That's why Jesus had to be baptised so he could remove Satan and lock him in hell,and his Father said: to day I have begotten youYou are in error and now you don't want to admit it…..Jesus is not Omnipotent.  Those were your words not mine…….not…[Read more]

Karmaria, Mike and Istari! Rev 7:9 ¶ After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; Rev 7:10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which…[Read more]

Quote (karmarie @ April 24 2011,23:49)Irene, 1st John 3:2And it is not yet revealed what we will be.But we know that, when he is revealed, we will be like him; for we will see him just as he is. So, it is not yet revealed what we will be. Which is furthered by;1 Corin 2:9But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered…[Read more]

Marty!  please explain to me how you can ignore 50 Scriptures that clearly say Jesus was in Heaven with Almighty God long before the world was?  For you I will now put them some down for you, and for Paladin.Let me start withJhn 1:1 ¶ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.   Jhn 1:2   The same was in the…[Read more]

Quote (karmarie @ April 24 2011,19:00)Irene, But if Jesus, a spirit being, came from heaven, and then returned to heaven as a spirit, as some say, without a body, well then that was no different than before. Why then is he the first of many? The first of what?karmarie!  Jesus did return as a Spirit Beng like He was before Jhn 17:4   I have g…[Read more]

Quote (seekingtruth @ April 24 2011,16:33)To those who do not believe Jesus was resurrected and changed,How did Jesus appear to the disciples in a locked room if His body was not already transformed? “even as they were looking , He was caught up, and a cloud received and carried Him away out of their sight.” If He was transformed then how were…[Read more]

IreneJesus is OMNIPOTENT.That's why Jesus had to be baptised so he could remove Satan and lock him in hell,and his Father said: to day I have begotten youYou are in error and now you don't want to admit it…..Jesus is not Omnipotent. Those were your words not mine…….not to fellow, what should I follow, your wrong doctrine?? No thank…[Read more]

Paladin! You quoted that Romans 9:5 is being used to prove the trinity. I have not seen that here on Heaven Net. I agree that the Scholars added the punctuation, but that they added 50 Scriptures that I don't believe.Now about what Jesus is after His resurrection from the death. What purpose is there that Jesus is flesh and Spirit. Scriptures…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ April 23 2011,18:06)Quote (Istari @ April 23 2011,10:48)Just as a point of minor discussion:What does this verse say: “1Cr 15:47   The first man of the earth, earthy: the second man the Lord from heaven.”In my discussion with Mikeboll I pointed out a style of language that preEmpts events such as Jesus being “The Begotten Son”…[Read more]

Paladin! I don't have much time today. First I am getting my Hair cut, and then today we have Family Day. But I will answer your posts later tonight….Peace and Love Irene

Quote (Istari @ April 23 2011,11:17)Quote (seekingtruth @ April 19 2011,17:19)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 19 2011,11:30)Quote (seekingtruth @ April 18 2011,09:47)I believe the reason that there is so much dis-agreement is akin to the story of the “blind men and an elephant”, we are all discussing something we cannot see from what we perceive of it…[Read more]

Quote (Istari @ April 23 2011,10:48)Just as a point of minor discussion:What does this verse say: “1Cr 15:47   The first man of the earth, earthy: the second man the Lord from heaven.”In my discussion with Mikeboll I pointed out a style of language that preEmpts events such as Jesus being “The Begotten Son” before he was raised up.This verse…[Read more]

Quote (csaliba @ April 22 2011,06:52)Quote (Baker @ April 22 2011,02:31)Quote (csaliba @ April 22 2011,01:51)Quote (Baker @ April 21 2011,11:39)Charles!  What makes you think that the only begotten Son of God was incarnated within Lucifer.  i have never heard of that before. There is NO scripture that proves that..1Th 5:21   Prove all things; ho…[Read more]

Quote (Istari @ April 23 2011,06:47)Irene,I don't believe this was the point Keith was making.We are discussing the thread topic that Kathi set.Kathi is asking if when does a biological father become a biological father – and we agree that it is at conception.We are waiting to see what kathi has to say about her thread topic.Istari! The reason I…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ April 23 2011,06:42)Quote (Baker @ April 23 2011,05:30)Paladin!  We are predestined, many are called, but few chosen. (Romans 8) I have no problems with the Old Testament.  In fact Proverbs 8 is one of my favorite Book.  Isaiah another.  I just don't want to get hung up with prophecy.  I rather debate what Jesus said….. But with…[Read more]