Keith!  There are two Scriptures I know of that states this Mar 10:45   For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.  1 Timothy 2″6 who gave Himself as ransom for all, to be testified in due time.In order to the ransom to take effect, His body had to stay in the grave.  Even tho…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Feb. 04 2011,20:41)Yes they dodged a bullet.That is good news, right??? Noone got hurt?Peace Irene

Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 04 2011,19:13)Irene,The Gnostiics also backed up their beliefs with their interpretation of scripture.  Does that mean they were correct?What is the spirit of God's Word?When you understand that then perhaps you will begin to understand why Jesus could have no advantage over every other human being that could not be attained…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 05 2011,06:56)Quote (Baker @ Feb. 05 2011,06:20)Ed! This Scripture has nothing to do with Gods Holy Spirit…Mar 13:11   But when they shall lead , and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that s…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 05 2011,06:26)Irenet8 has already mentioned that you don't have to put Eds or anyone elses entire post in the quote.It makes it hard to keep up and it is messy and it uses more of his Hardrive Space.Just saying. I know I do it sometimes but it is better to cut out of the quote what you don't want of course make sure…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Feb. 05 2011,04:09)Quote (Baker @ Feb. 03 2011,07:38)Marty! Good, praying to God for the truth is very good.  Let me tell you something, I did not always believed that Jesus preexisted at one time either.  But Georg and I started to look at those Scriptures which I gave you and others.  There is no either being that fits Rev. 19…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 05 2011,01:19)Quote (Baker @ Feb. 05 2011,00:42)Quote (Baker @ Feb. 04 2011,14:02)Ed!  I don't deny any Scriptures.  but to think that the Holy Spirit is God rather then the Holy Spirit is of God, I find wrong.  1Jo 4:1 ¶ Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false  No…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ Feb. 04 2011,14:02)Ed!  I don't deny any Scriptures.  but to think that the Holy Spirit is God rather then the Holy Spirit is of God, I find wrong.  1Jo 4:1 ¶ Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false  Notice that it says whether the Spirit is of God.Hbr 12:9   Furth…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 04 2011,15:13)Irene,If you choose to take you own words as an insult when applied to you then why say them to others.  Isn't a Christian supposed to do onto others as they would have done to them.Were you instead expressing your own confidence in what you believe as I was expressing confidence in what I believe.  I freely a…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 04 2011,15:26)Gene,Georg may not know of the central Gnostic beliefs.  One thing they believe that George also believes is that the mind is the spirit.   I believe the Gnostics were referring to their hunt for the knowledge that they were one part of the Godhead, a corruption of the Unity of the Spirit.  The Gnostics also he…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 04 2011,16:33)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 04 2011,08:34)Quote (Baker @ Feb. 03 2011,16:20)It could simple not be a person, because how could a person life inside all of us….Hi IreneSo what you are saying is God the Father cannot live in all of us at the same time? Isn't he Omnipresent?Hi WJ,Do you not believe your own…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 04 2011,04:30)Quote (Baker @ Feb. 03 2011,07:38)Marty! Good, praying to God for the truth is very good.  Let me tell you something, I did not always believed that Jesus preexisted at one time either.  Peace IreneHi Irene,Then by Proof of your words you “could” be wrong about other things as well; right?God blessEd J (Joshua 2…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 04 2011,14:00)Quote (Baker @ Feb. 04 2011,07:47)Ed! I also want to know why go to goggle?  Is the Bible all of a sudden not good enough?  That makes me rather sad.  Peace IreneHi Irene,              The Bible(63) ↔ AKJV Bible(74)What makes you sad; my rejecting of man's bias?The newer translations are littered with man'…[Read more]

Ed!  I don't deny any Scriptures.  but to think that the Holy Spirit is God rather then the Holy Spirit is of God, I find wrong.  1Jo 4:1 ¶ Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false  Notice that it says whether the Spirit is of God.Hbr 12:9   Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh…[Read more]

WJ  Georg and I were Baptized in “The Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit..  Yes, God is Omnipresent, He upholds all by His power….The tree's all that he created, by His power…..I don't think that God could possibly look on all sinful men.  His Holy Spirit is in us just like Jesus Spirit is.Phl 2:5 ¶ Let this mind be in…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 02 2011,08:45)Quote (Baker @ Feb. 02 2011,05:27)The Holy Spirit became flesh?Quote (theodorej @ Feb. 02 2011,03:55)Ed   …you are a learning experience that just keeps giving….Hi Irene and Theodore J,                    “The Word” maketh the Son (Isaiah 7:14)Hebrews 7:28 For the law maketh men high priests which have infir…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 04 2011,04:24)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 03 2011,17:00)EdJ………….No it is not IMO.EDJ………look up all the different way that word is translated and it many different meanings , attached to it. For The purpose of Christ would be a much better meaning , because Christ is the result that God has for all Man Kind , His…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 04 2011,03:14)MikeI have one question for you.Does Jesus have a body?WJt8Here is my point, does any one pay attention to the topic?WJ, is your question relative to the topic? are there not enough threads already that address that topic?Georg

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 04 2011,01:41)Georg……………..The same applies to YOU> Because it is obvious you do not believe the scriptures which i Posted and and do nothing but force the text to fit you past assoications with Your trinitarian and Gnostic roots. And don't give me or TK we  Don't believe Crap. It is you who does not believe…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 04 2011,02:33)Georg……….It is obvious to any truth seek you have No Idea what you are saying or preachings . So you just go along your distorted Trinitarian and Gnostic path of Preexistence and we will all see in the End who is right. OKgeneI know you consider your self a “christian”, you have to in order to post…[Read more]