Not all will be the elect. And the Jewish people always were Gods People. The 144 thousand will be the Elect whether you like it or not. Pierre you are right as far as Romans is concerned. We had a good Bible Study some time ago and they will be grafted in. Also the multitude are from all nations. How many is not revealed….Since they have…[Read more]

If John 1:18 is after Jesus resurrection, then what about John 17:5? Here Jesus is asking His Father that He wants the glory again, which He had with Him before the world was….i think we all know that He is a Spirit now. That then shows me that is what He was before the World was….What about that?Peace Irene

Quote (Tim Kraft @ Mar. 28 2011,21:34)Great peace and love to two great men. Mike and Gene. God/Men! IMO, TKTim! great men sometimes don't understand. Also I am still waiting for your reply to my post to you on this page.Peace Irene

Paladin and Wispring! Much of the time, I don't understand what you Paladin are trying to say. I know about the article, which the Greek does not have, also taken out of context, I know that. What I don't understand when I see a verse for instance in John 1:14 and Paladin says its not there. That is what prompted me to put all of the different…[Read more]

Quote (jbl @ Mar. 16 2011,13:52)My father was so consumed with sleeping medication, anti-depressants, alcohol, etc… paired in with an anxiety and depression condition, he was a man that was not thinking rationally. I miss him unbelievably, I've never experienced such grief before… Despite his shortcomings, I know he was a good man that was…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 28 2011,15:56)Irene…….What i am referring to is you do not believe Jesus came into his (existence) when he was born by MARY on earth. That is my point Not that you believe he was not born on earth, you believe he was MORPHED or INCARNATED from another LIFE FORM that preexisted his berth on earth. That is what i am…[Read more]

Quote (karmarie @ Mar. 28 2011,19:37)Hi All,Has anyone here read the Sheppard of Hermas and have an understanding of it?In 'The Sheppard'  (One of the most popular readings of the early church) it goes something like this; Jesus was a virtuous man filled with the Holy Spirit and adopted as the son. Theres more to it than that though. Is this…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ Mar. 28 2011,07:51)Quote (Baker @ Mar. 28 2011,06:53)Quote (Paladin @ Mar. 28 2011,03:33)Addendum:John said “in the beginning was the logos and the logos was with God and the logos was God. John never said “and the logos is God.” The reason John could not say “the logos is God” is because the logos changed, God did not.That must…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 26 2011,09:26)Irene………What i said is the belief of Preexistences, is the SPIRIT of ANTICHRIST and if the shoe fit wear it. Do you believe Jesus came into “EXISTENCE AS A HUMAN BEING” no you do not believe he did COME INTO (EXISTENCE) AS A HUMAN BEING, YOU BELIEVE HE ALREADY EXISTED, AS A DEMIGOD OR ANGEL OR WHAT…[Read more]

Wm and Kathie!  I agree with that too.  Jesus is the perfect example to go by. Phl 2:5 ¶ Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:  Jesus not only gave us a New Commandment, but also we now are under the New Covenant, which is under Jesus Blood.Luk 22:20   Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup the new covenant in m…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ Mar. 28 2011,03:33)Addendum:John said “in the beginning was the logos and the logos was with God and the logos was God. John never said “and the logos is God.” The reason John could not say “the logos is God” is because the logos changed, God did not.That must be considered in examining this issue.Lets take John 1:14 The logos is…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ Mar. 27 2011,20:40)Quote (Baker @ Mar. 26 2011,22:37)Quote (Wispring @ Mar. 26 2011,22:01)Hi Paladin,   This what I am thinking conceptually. Jesus was the personification of the Logos of God. Every word recorded in the scripture to be of Jesus was of the Logos which is of God. Kind of like a 3 station direct communication link.…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 27 2011,15:29)Georgall are not the children of Abraham,and so not all are the children of Israel,Ac 11:17 Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God? Ac 11:18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 27 2011,11:57)Quote (Baker @ Mar. 27 2011,00:26)For one thing, the 144000 are all Israelite's.Rev 7:4   And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.  And, what do you thing it means to have the Father's name w…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 25 2011,19:30)Quote (Baker @ Mar. 25 2011,12:22)Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 25 2011,16:02)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 20 2010,10:56)What did the ante-nicene church fathers say about the Son as the firstborn of/over all creation?  Do they indicate that the Son was the first to come forth from God and then through Him all things came into…[Read more]

Quote (Wispring @ Mar. 27 2011,14:41) An Ode to a Word.A Word of God may come to you in whisper in the stillness of your mind.A Word of God may come in a shout, louder than thunder and not sound kind.A Word of God may come in an intimate conversation with a dear friend.A Word of God may come from a stranger, told once, then, that is the end.A Word…[Read more]

Quote (karmarie @ Mar. 27 2011,11:09)Gene, it's good having wispring here dont you think? The sites been really peaceful and really good in the past day or two. I'm actually learning things here.Hi, It is good to have both Wispring and Paladin. Finally I can debate without them calling me names. That is what I call Christians. We all fall short…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 27 2011,11:57)Quote (Baker @ Mar. 27 2011,00:26)For one thing, the 144000 are all Israelite's.Rev 7:4   And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.  And, what do you thing it means to have the Father's name w…[Read more]

Quote (mikeangel @ Mar. 27 2011,09:54)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 27 2011,09:01)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 26 2011,16:26)Am I scripturally wrong in saying that Jesus is the only begotten god and the Father is the only unbegotten God?MikeYep, because that would be “two true gods” with each other and we know there is “Only One True God” and none…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ Mar. 27 2011,09:51)(Irene)Quote God's Kingdom is in Heaven, that is why it says flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God.  Almighty God is Spirit, and only Spirit can go there.  We won”t.(P)Quote While it is true, “Flesh and blood will not inherit thekingdom” it is also true that flesh and bone will. Jesus was flesh and b…[Read more]