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To all,
There is really no controversy here since either Jesus lied when he said many would not make it or he told the truth. If you believe Jesus lied was mistaken then you simply do not believe he is the Son of God.
So the question is not who will enter the kingdom but rather will you enter the kingdom. Jesus teaches us how to be saved so all we have to do is to do what he instructs us to do and will inherit eternal life.
Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 13 2010,11:08) To all, There is really no controversy here since either Jesus lied when he said many would not make it or he told the truth. If you believe Jesus lied was mistaken then you simply do not believe he is the Son of God.
So the question is not who will enter the kingdom but rather will you enter the kingdom. Jesus teaches us how to be saved so all we have to do is to do what he instructs us to do and will inherit eternal life.
Kerwinyou are totally right.
Pierre
Quote (JustAskin @ Sep. 12 2010,17:34) Jerry, You are far nastier than I even imagine you were.
For this reason I condemn you before God Almighty right here in this forum.
You sound like you are Good? Maybe trying?Jerry.
Quote (JustAskin @ Sep. 12 2010,17:46) And it is only right that you believe that ALL sinners will be saved – because you are the Worst of all Sinners – the worst kind of Sinner – the one who believes that being saved justifies indecent behaviour because it doesn't matter – you gonna be saved anyway! You have a secret – don't you? Ok, let me say it another way:
“You have a Secret that is causing you great distress – and to this end you seek to comfort yourself
“in the delusion that it if you believe you will be saved despite your great sin, then all be alright.
“To this end you are seeking agreement with others to help sustain your delusion rather than to seek
“repentance from God through Jesus Christ because your sin is so great that you, even to yourself, you
“cannot admit it”By your nasty angry retort in your last post, it is easy to see that I touched your raw nerve – a wake up call that you are exposed…! yet JustAskin is only urging you to seek repentance from God through Jesus Christ.
And you sign off with “God Bless”… that is blasphemous as you do not mean it (This how the Jews began stopping the speaking of the God's name – because people were using it as punctuation and almost to swear by and to swear WITH!
JA, you sayQuote You have a secret – don't you? Ok, let me say it another way: “You have a Secret that is causing you great distress – and to this end you seek to comfort yourself
“in the delusion that it if you believe you will be saved despite your great sin, then all be alright.“To this end you are seeking agreement with others to help sustain your delusion rather than to seek
“repentance from God through Jesus Christ because your sin is so great that you, even to yourself, you
“cannot admit it”You're looking in your crystal ball again? Maybe having nightmares? Search for truth, quit using mystic devices, your magic has no place in seeking truth. All that you percieve has no truth whatsoever. No such thing has ever occured in my life. Trying to find an excuse for your ignorance of scripture? Stick to facts, not fantasy!
God Bless, Jerry.
Quote (JustAskin @ Sep. 13 2010,03:16) George… Please accept my apology … the post was meant for Jerry – Chosenone – Co.
I somehow got your names mixed up.
You will see that I am making a pointed statement to someone that CLEARLY does not apply to you (does it).
Even as I apologise I ask though, what did you think when you read it that you ACCEPTED it and made the 'pointless, empty' response.
The content is clearly, I say again, not applicable to you …is it? Anyone can say “Were you looking in the mirror…” – The Jews could even have said that to Jesus when he was admonishing them – Yes, could have said it – if they felt enough GUILT – because such flippant remarks come from that source – do they not, George?
But yet, I say once more, I'm sorry George, the post was directed at Jerry but I got your name in my head some how.
(But perhaps – now I see the response from to a pointed statement that was mistakenly set in your name perhaps it wasn't a mistake – perhaps my mind was GUIDED to place your name there!)
I make a lot of pointless responses to a lot of pointless points, especially when I'm bored.Reading all of this nonsense is almost funnier then AFV; do you really think any one is taking any of this serious?
Georg
Quote (Baker @ Sep. 14 2010,00:53) Quote (JustAskin @ Sep. 13 2010,03:16) George… Please accept my apology … the post was meant for Jerry – Chosenone – Co.
I somehow got your names mixed up.
You will see that I am making a pointed statement to someone that CLEARLY does not apply to you (does it).
Even as I apologise I ask though, what did you think when you read it that you ACCEPTED it and made the 'pointless, empty' response.
The content is clearly, I say again, not applicable to you …is it? Anyone can say “Were you looking in the mirror…” – The Jews could even have said that to Jesus when he was admonishing them – Yes, could have said it – if they felt enough GUILT – because such flippant remarks come from that source – do they not, George?
But yet, I say once more, I'm sorry George, the post was directed at Jerry but I got your name in my head some how.
(But perhaps – now I see the response from to a pointed statement that was mistakenly set in your name perhaps it wasn't a mistake – perhaps my mind was GUIDED to place your name there!)
I make a lot of pointless responses to a lot of pointless points, especially when I'm bored.Reading all of this nonsense is almost funnier then AFV; do you really think any one is taking any of this serious?
Georg
georgi do,do you really think that God is a joker?
we will be judge by the words of our mouth,
and in all things we do or not do,
NOW IF WE DO NOT SEE THINGS THE WAY GOD AND DOES WERE IS THAT PUT US ??
NOT ON GOD SIDE .
Pierre
Jerry,
What you exhibit is a classic response to an accussation that hits a home run.
You can barely refute the claim because right now you are reflecting on the revelation.
Reflect and weep, Jerry. First, stop wanting evildoers to be saved…evildoers cannot be saved because they are a Cancer, and you MUST RID the body of Cancers, you cannot feel sympathy for them. BUT, you CAN hope that the Cancer be cured and the body made whole again.
This is what you need to do, Jerry, you need to get 'cured' of your Sin, which is eating you out like the Cancer in the flesh.
Only repentence through Christ will achieve this cure, Jerry.
Now, …tell me that I am wrong…
Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 14 2010,00:22) Quote (Baker @ Sep. 14 2010,00:53) Quote (JustAskin @ Sep. 13 2010,03:16) George… Please accept my apology … the post was meant for Jerry – Chosenone – Co.
I somehow got your names mixed up.
You will see that I am making a pointed statement to someone that CLEARLY does not apply to you (does it).
Even as I apologise I ask though, what did you think when you read it that you ACCEPTED it and made the 'pointless, empty' response.
The content is clearly, I say again, not applicable to you …is it? Anyone can say “Were you looking in the mirror…” – The Jews could even have said that to Jesus when he was admonishing them – Yes, could have said it – if they felt enough GUILT – because such flippant remarks come from that source – do they not, George?
But yet, I say once more, I'm sorry George, the post was directed at Jerry but I got your name in my head some how.
(But perhaps – now I see the response from to a pointed statement that was mistakenly set in your name perhaps it wasn't a mistake – perhaps my mind was GUIDED to place your name there!)
I make a lot of pointless responses to a lot of pointless points, especially when I'm bored.Reading all of this nonsense is almost funnier then AFV; do you really think any one is taking any of this serious?
Georg
georgi do,do you really think that God is a joker?
we will be judge by the words of our mouth,
and in all things we do or not do,
NOW IF WE DO NOT SEE THINGS THE WAY GOD AND DOES WERE IS THAT PUT US ??
NOT ON GOD SIDE .
Pierre
You see, Pierre, every body here is ignoring scriptures, just as you do; you call that taking things serious? I sure don't.Georg
Quote (Baker @ Sep. 14 2010,14:22) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 14 2010,00:22) Quote (Baker @ Sep. 14 2010,00:53) Quote (JustAskin @ Sep. 13 2010,03:16) George… Please accept my apology … the post was meant for Jerry – Chosenone – Co.
I somehow got your names mixed up.
You will see that I am making a pointed statement to someone that CLEARLY does not apply to you (does it).
Even as I apologise I ask though, what did you think when you read it that you ACCEPTED it and made the 'pointless, empty' response.
The content is clearly, I say again, not applicable to you …is it? Anyone can say “Were you looking in the mirror…” – The Jews could even have said that to Jesus when he was admonishing them – Yes, could have said it – if they felt enough GUILT – because such flippant remarks come from that source – do they not, George?
But yet, I say once more, I'm sorry George, the post was directed at Jerry but I got your name in my head some how.
(But perhaps – now I see the response from to a pointed statement that was mistakenly set in your name perhaps it wasn't a mistake – perhaps my mind was GUIDED to place your name there!)
I make a lot of pointless responses to a lot of pointless points, especially when I'm bored.Reading all of this nonsense is almost funnier then AFV; do you really think any one is taking any of this serious?
Georg
georgi do,do you really think that God is a joker?
we will be judge by the words of our mouth,
and in all things we do or not do,
NOW IF WE DO NOT SEE THINGS THE WAY GOD AND DOES WERE IS THAT PUT US ??
NOT ON GOD SIDE .
Pierre
You see, Pierre, every body here is ignoring scriptures, just as you do; you call that taking things serious? I sure don't.Georg
georgsinse you have your lips wide open ,show me the scriptures i have ignored
Pierre
Quote (JustAskin @ Sep. 14 2010,07:13) Jerry, What you exhibit is a classic response to an accussation that hits a home run.
You can barely refute the claim because right now you are reflecting on the revelation.
Reflect and weep, Jerry. First, stop wanting evildoers to be saved…evildoers cannot be saved because they are a Cancer, and you MUST RID the body of Cancers, you cannot feel sympathy for them. BUT, you CAN hope that the Cancer be cured and the body made whole again.
This is what you need to do, Jerry, you need to get 'cured' of your Sin, which is eating you out like the Cancer in the flesh.
Only repentence through Christ will achieve this cure, Jerry.
Now, …tell me that I am wrong…
Dead wrong… I will repost a response of mine to correct your misunderstanding of “we must repent”.That is correct, we do not have to repent. What do you think our Lord and Saviour died for? I would like to hear your opinion of this, please give one, it seems you feel He died for only a possibility to save us, but it is up to us. Nothing could be further from the truth. He died for the sins of ALL MANKIND, He has “justified” us, by paying OUR debt, we are “justified” in Gods eyes by this act.
Acts.5:31… This Inaugurator and Saviour, God exalts to His right hand, to give repentance to Israel and the pardon of sins.
To Israel… Then to the Nations…
Acts.11:18… Now, on hearing these things, they are quiet, and glorify God, saying, “Consequently, to the nations also God gives repentance unto life!
Ro.5:9… Much rather, then, being now justified in His blood, we shall be saved from indignation, through Him.
We are now “justified” in Gods eyes, He sees our sins no more.
I think it an insult to God, if we still try to “repent” of our sins, He would say “what did I send my son for? was this not enough?”God Bless, Jerry.
Quote (chosenone @ Sep. 15 2010,18:50) Quote (JustAskin @ Sep. 14 2010,07:13) Jerry, What you exhibit is a classic response to an accussation that hits a home run.
You can barely refute the claim because right now you are reflecting on the revelation.
Reflect and weep, Jerry. First, stop wanting evildoers to be saved…evildoers cannot be saved because they are a Cancer, and you MUST RID the body of Cancers, you cannot feel sympathy for them. BUT, you CAN hope that the Cancer be cured and the body made whole again.
This is what you need to do, Jerry, you need to get 'cured' of your Sin, which is eating you out like the Cancer in the flesh.
Only repentence through Christ will achieve this cure, Jerry.
Now, …tell me that I am wrong…
Dead wrong… I will repost a response of mine to correct your misunderstanding of “we must repent”.That is correct, we do not have to repent. What do you think our Lord and Saviour died for? I would like to hear your opinion of this, please give one, it seems you feel He died for only a possibility to save us, but it is up to us. Nothing could be further from the truth. He died for the sins of ALL MANKIND, He has “justified” us, by paying OUR debt, we are “justified” in Gods eyes by this act.
Acts.5:31… This Inaugurator and Saviour, God exalts to His right hand, to give repentance to Israel and the pardon of sins.
To Israel… Then to the Nations…
Acts.11:18… Now, on hearing these things, they are quiet, and glorify God, saying, “Consequently, to the nations also God gives repentance unto life!
Ro.5:9… Much rather, then, being now justified in His blood, we shall be saved from indignation, through Him.
We are now “justified” in Gods eyes, He sees our sins no more.
I think it an insult to God, if we still try to “repent” of our sins, He would say “what did I send my son for? was this not enough?”God Bless, Jerry.
COif i understand what you are saying is;;if a person repent and accept Christ is past sins are forgiven,and so no more repent is needed , is it ??
Pierre
Pierre.
Quote if i understand what you are saying is;;if a person repent and accept Christ is past sins are forgiven,and so no more repent is needed , is it ??
No, I don't see it that way. Here is what I believe scripture is saying… Jesus death on the cross is what we deserved, but He (Jesus) paid the penalty of sin for us, all mankind. We have been “justified” by His sacrifice, God sees our sin no more. (Col.1:21-22 …21 And you, being once estranged and enemies in comprehension, by wicked acts, yet now He reconciles
22 by His body of flesh, through His death, to present you holy and flawless and unimpeachable in His sight,Notice “to present you holy and flawless and unimpeachable in His sight”, He has done it all, what do have to repent of now? All the glory goes to God.
God Bless, Jerry.
Quote (chosenone @ Sep. 16 2010,00:23) Pierre. Quote if i understand what you are saying is;;if a person repent and accept Christ is past sins are forgiven,and so no more repent is needed , is it ??
No, I don't see it that way. Here is what I believe scripture is saying… Jesus death on the cross is what we deserved, but He (Jesus) paid the penalty of sin for us, all mankind. We have been “justified” by His sacrifice, God sees our sin no more. (Col.1:21-22 …21 And you, being once estranged and enemies in comprehension, by wicked acts, yet now He reconciles
22 by His body of flesh, through His death, to present you holy and flawless and unimpeachable in His sight,Notice “to present you holy and flawless and unimpeachable in His sight”, He has done it all, what do have to repent of now? All the glory goes to God.
God Bless, Jerry.
CONotice “to present you holy and flawless and unimpeachable in His sight”, He has done it all, what do have to repent of now? All the glory goes to God.
what glory is there for to let live a bunch of sinners who has no respect for the sacrifice of his son,
God as destroyed people in the past to mock is words.I HOPE THAT YOU TAKE ALL THE ADVANTAGE OF YOUR BELIEVES NOW,BECAUSE LATTER YOU WILL NOT HAVE A WAY TO CHANGE IT ,WITH ALL THE OPPORTUNITY YOU HAVE NOW,IT IS NOW THE TIME. TO STOP SINNING AND OBEY GODS WORD.
Pierre
Quote (chosenone @ Sep. 15 2010,11:50) Quote (JustAskin @ Sep. 14 2010,07:13) Jerry, What you exhibit is a classic response to an accussation that hits a home run.
You can barely refute the claim because right now you are reflecting on the revelation.
Reflect and weep, Jerry. First, stop wanting evildoers to be saved…evildoers cannot be saved because they are a Cancer, and you MUST RID the body of Cancers, you cannot feel sympathy for them. BUT, you CAN hope that the Cancer be cured and the body made whole again.
This is what you need to do, Jerry, you need to get 'cured' of your Sin, which is eating you out like the Cancer in the flesh.
Only repentence through Christ will achieve this cure, Jerry.
Now, …tell me that I am wrong…
Dead wrong… I will repost a response of mine to correct your misunderstanding of “we must repent”.That is correct, we do not have to repent. What do you think our Lord and Saviour died for? I would like to hear your opinion of this, please give one, it seems you feel He died for only a possibility to save us, but it is up to us. Nothing could be further from the truth. He died for the sins of ALL MANKIND, He has “justified” us, by paying OUR debt, we are “justified” in Gods eyes by this act.
Acts.5:31… This Inaugurator and Saviour, God exalts to His right hand, to give repentance to Israel and the pardon of sins.
To Israel… Then to the Nations…
Acts.11:18… Now, on hearing these things, they are quiet, and glorify God, saying, “Consequently, to the nations also God gives repentance unto life!
Ro.5:9… Much rather, then, being now justified in His blood, we shall be saved from indignation, through Him.
We are now “justified” in Gods eyes, He sees our sins no more.
I think it an insult to God, if we still try to “repent” of our sins, He would say “what did I send my son for? was this not enough?”God Bless, Jerry.
Chosenone ………..They just do not get it brother.peace and love to you and yours……………………..gene
gene
you and your friend CO,can not be trusted on bible truths,
your views are;;We are now “justified” in Gods eyes, He sees our sins no more.
I think it an insult to God, if we still try to “repent” of our sins, He would say “what did I send my son for? was this not enough?”NO MEN CAN BE JUSTIFIED AT ANYTIME ANYWERE UNDER ANY CONDITION ,SO YOU ARE BOTH BLASPHEME GODS WORDS AND HOLY SPIRIT.
YOU ARE BUT LIARS TO SCRIPTURES.
Pierre
Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 16 2010,03:49) gene you and your friend CO,can not be trusted on bible truths,
your views are;;We are now “justified” in Gods eyes, He sees our sins no more.
I think it an insult to God, if we still try to “repent” of our sins, He would say “what did I send my son for? was this not enough?”NO MEN CAN BE JUSTIFIED AT ANYTIME ANYWERE UNDER ANY CONDITION ,SO YOU ARE BOTH BLASPHEME GODS WORDS AND HOLY SPIRIT.
YOU ARE BUT LIARS TO SCRIPTURES.
Pierre
Pierre.I notice you just gave your “opinion” of how you interpert scripture, but show no scripture.
Here are a few you should study…Ro.5:8-10
8 yet God is commending this love of His to us, seeing that, while we are still sinners, Christ died for our sakes.
9 Much rather, then, being now justified in His blood, we shall be saved from indignation, through Him.
10 For if, being enemies, we were conciliated to God through the death of His Son, much rather, being conciliated, we shall be saved in His life.Ro.5:18-19
18 Consequently, then, as it was through one offense for all mankind for condemnation, thus also it is through one just award for all mankind for life's justifying.
19 For even as, through the disobedience of the one man, the many were constituted sinners, thus also, through the obedience of the One, the many shall be constituted just.There are many other scriptures that also show that His (Jesus) sacrifice, was for justifying all, I won't bother to show them now, because you don't seem to understand what His sacrifice accomplished.
In summing up, I suppose you don't believe those scriptures posted here. You seem to ignore what these say, because it doesn't suit you version of “eternal punishment” for those you feel haven't “earned their salvation”.Just one last request… give me “your opinion” of what Jesus' sacrifice accomplished. How did this benefit you? What has changed for you? What did it do for you that changed from how it would been if He hadn't done this?
I'll be waiting your, and any others if interested, answer to this request.
God Bless, Jerry.
Chosenone ………..God bless you brother you have rightly presented the Grace of GOD and Our Justification in the Eyes of GOD because of Jesus' sacrifice.
peace and lvoe to you and yours…………………………..gene
Quote (chosenone @ Sep. 16 2010,13:15) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 16 2010,03:49) gene you and your friend CO,can not be trusted on bible truths,
your views are;;We are now “justified” in Gods eyes, He sees our sins no more.
I think it an insult to God, if we still try to “repent” of our sins, He would say “what did I send my son for? was this not enough?”NO MEN CAN BE JUSTIFIED AT ANYTIME ANYWERE UNDER ANY CONDITION ,SO YOU ARE BOTH BLASPHEME GODS WORDS AND HOLY SPIRIT.
YOU ARE BUT LIARS TO SCRIPTURES.
Pierre
Pierre.I notice you just gave your “opinion” of how you interpert scripture, but show no scripture.
Here are a few you should study…Ro.5:8-10
8 yet God is commending this love of His to us, seeing that, while we are still sinners, Christ died for our sakes.
9 Much rather, then, being now justified in His blood, we shall be saved from indignation, through Him.
10 For if, being enemies, we were conciliated to God through the death of His Son, much rather, being conciliated, we shall be saved in His life.Ro.5:18-19
18 Consequently, then, as it was through one offense for all mankind for condemnation, thus also it is through one just award for all mankind for life's justifying.
19 For even as, through the disobedience of the one man, the many were constituted sinners, thus also, through the obedience of the One, the many shall be constituted just.There are many other scriptures that also show that His (Jesus) sacrifice, was for justifying all, I won't bother to show them now, because you don't seem to understand what His sacrifice accomplished.
In summing up, I suppose you don't believe those scriptures posted here. You seem to ignore what these say, because it doesn't suit you version of “eternal punishment” for those you feel haven't “earned their salvation”.
Just one last request… give me “your opinion” of what Jesus' sacrifice accomplished. How did this benefit you? What has changed for you? What did it do for you that changed from how it would been if He hadn't done this?I'll be waiting your, and any others if interested, answer to this request.
God Bless, Jerry.
COread this;;;Ps 51:4 Against you, you only, have I sinned
and done what is evil in your sight,
so that you are proved right when you speak
and justified when you judge.
Lk 18:14 “I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted.”
Ac 13:39 Through him everyone who believes is justified from everything you could not be justified from by the law of Moses.
Ro 3:24 and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.
Ro 3:28 For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from observing the law.
Ro 4:2 If, in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about—but not before God.Ro 5:1 Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,
Ro 5:9 Since we have now been justified by his blood, how much more shall we be saved from God’s wrath through him!
Ro 8:30 And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.
Ro 10:10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved.
1Co 6:11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
Gal 2:16 know that a man is not justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified.
Gal 2:17 “If, while we seek to be justified in Christ, it becomes evident that we ourselves are sinners, does that mean that Christ promotes sin? Absolutely not!
Gal 3:11 Clearly no one is justified before God by the law, because, “The righteous will live by faith.”
Gal 3:24 So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith.
Gal 5:4 You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.
Tit 3:7 so that, having been justified by his grace, we might become heirs having the hope of eternal life.NOW READ THIS AS WELL;
.Jas 2:24 You see that a person is justified by what he does and not by faith alone
NO WORKS OF YOUR FAITH = YOUR FAITH IS VAIN.
Pierre
Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 14 2010,11:34) Quote (Baker @ Sep. 14 2010,14:22) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 14 2010,00:22) Quote (Baker @ Sep. 14 2010,00:53) Quote (JustAskin @ Sep. 13 2010,03:16) George… Please accept my apology … the post was meant for Jerry – Chosenone – Co.
I somehow got your names mixed up.
You will see that I am making a pointed statement to someone that CLEARLY does not apply to you (does it).
Even as I apologise I ask though, what did you think when you read it that you ACCEPTED it and made the 'pointless, empty' response.
The content is clearly, I say again, not applicable to you …is it? Anyone can say “Were you looking in the mirror…” – The Jews could even have said that to Jesus when he was admonishing them – Yes, could have said it – if they felt enough GUILT – because such flippant remarks come from that source – do they not, George?
But yet, I say once more, I'm sorry George, the post was directed at Jerry but I got your name in my head some how.
(But perhaps – now I see the response from to a pointed statement that was mistakenly set in your name perhaps it wasn't a mistake – perhaps my mind was GUIDED to place your name there!)
I make a lot of pointless responses to a lot of pointless points, especially when I'm bored.Reading all of this nonsense is almost funnier then AFV; do you really think any one is taking any of this serious?
Georg
georgi do,do you really think that God is a joker?
we will be judge by the words of our mouth,
and in all things we do or not do,
NOW IF WE DO NOT SEE THINGS THE WAY GOD AND DOES WERE IS THAT PUT US ??
NOT ON GOD SIDE .
Pierre
You see, Pierre, every body here is ignoring scriptures, just as you do; you call that taking things serious? I sure don't.Georg
georgsinse you have your lips wide open ,show me the scriptures i have ignored
Pierre
YOU IGNORE ALL SCRIPTURES, OR SOME HOW AVBOID THEM, WHO DO YOU THINK YOUR FOOLING?Georg
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