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let see if we can answer those questions;
WILL GOD DESTROY THE WICKED MEN OR ONLY WICKEDNESS OF MEN,1)DESTRUCTION OF THE WICKED MEN , SOUL AND SPIRIT.?
OR
2)ELIMINATE,DESTROY,REMOVE ALL WICKEDNESS OF-IN MEN?
WHAT IS THE BIBLE TELL US?
Pierre
Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 08 2010,23:23) all let see if we can answer those questions;
WILL GOD DESTROY THE WICKED MEN OR ONLY WICKEDNESS OF MEN,1)DESTRUCTION OF THE WICKED MEN , SOUL AND SPIRIT.?
OR
2)ELIMINATE,DESTROY,REMOVE ALL WICKEDNESS OF-IN MEN?
WHAT IS THE BIBLE TELL US?
Pierre
It tells us this…Isaiah 46:10 Saying,All My counsel shall be confirmed,
And all My desire will I do.1Tim.2:4 Who wills that all mankind be saved and come into a realization of the truth.
Could anything be more clear?
CO
according to your explanation above in your quote ;how would you then understand this scriptures;;Rev 21:7 He who overcomes will inherit all this, and I will be his God and he will be my son.
Rev 21:8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”Pierre
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if Gods plan was to save all men,would it be good to ask the question;why did he punished Adam and Eve,Cain,and all the people at the time of Noah,and during the time in the desert with the nation of Israel? and more;
Pierre
Quote (chosenone @ Sep. 09 2010,11:16) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 08 2010,23:23) all let see if we can answer those questions;
WILL GOD DESTROY THE WICKED MEN OR ONLY WICKEDNESS OF MEN,1)DESTRUCTION OF THE WICKED MEN , SOUL AND SPIRIT.?
OR
2)ELIMINATE,DESTROY,REMOVE ALL WICKEDNESS OF-IN MEN?
WHAT IS THE BIBLE TELL US?
Pierre
It tells us this…Isaiah 46:10 Saying,All My counsel shall be confirmed,
And all My desire will I do.1Tim.2:4 Who wills that all mankind be saved and come into a realization of the truth.
Could anything be more clear?
Does your Bible really say “WILLS”?1Ti 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
God wants all men come to the knowledge of the truth, but, just as there are those on this forum, there are those who refuse to believe the truth.
And this is what will happen to those.Act 3:23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.
Do you doubt what “destroyed” means?
Mat 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul (mind/spirit): but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. (hell-fire;= hell/grave, fire/destruction)
Georg
Gerog…….The word used there is Spirit not Soul (check it our in a concordance), but even if you say Soul it still is the (Body and Spirit) (BOTH) being discussed. And even If GOD can destory (BOTH) Which he can does not mean He is Going to now Does it. That is an assumption on your part. GOD can also Change a persons Heart…..> “I will take out of them the stony heart and give them a heart of flesh and will write my laws in their inward Parts”….> So the question is (CAN) GOD save a Sinner and HOW does He Save HIM. Is it not by Changing His Heart and Mind, “Being transformed BY the (RENEWING OF YOUR MINDS)”. Georg remember Jesus said (ALL) thing are Possible with GOD. WE are the CLAY He is the POTTER Right?.
peace and love to you and Irene………………………gene
Terricca………Why Change words in Rev 21:8………It say the fearful and unbelieving < Not "the coward, the unbelieving" as you insert , do you change scripture because you yourself preach a fear mongering religion. You need to read Rev 22:19, that would apply to you changing the text to fit you dogmas. IMO
gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 11 2010,11:08) Gerog…….The word used there is Spirit not Soul (check it our in a concordance), but even if you say Soul it still is the (Body and Spirit) (BOTH) being discussed. And even If GOD can destory (BOTH) Which he can does not mean He is Going to now Does it. That is an assumption on your part. GOD can also Change a persons Heart…..> “I will take out of them the stony heart and give them a heart of flesh and will write my laws in their inward Parts”….> So the question is (CAN) GOD save a Sinner and HOW does He Save HIM. Is it not by Changing His Heart and Mind, “Being transformed BY the (RENEWING OF YOUR MINDS)”. Georg remember Jesus said (ALL) thing are Possible with GOD. WE are the CLAY He is the POTTER Right?. peace and love to you and Irene………………………gene
Mal 4:1 ¶ For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.Mal 4:3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.
Georg
Georg………..True that day will comes and Has for some already like Sodom and Gomorrah , but they are still raised and Judged again and will be saved because they will recieve more mercy then those that existed at the time of Jesus. All pride and Wickedness will be Destroyed By Fire (intense Judgements of GOD)> And it will burn away the Dross of the Proud and Arrogant that is for sure. In Fact the Smoke of that Judgment will remain for ever and ever. Fire is Symbolic for (intense judgement) Georg, remember it says the baptism of Christ is with Spiirt (AND) FIRE. What do you think that Fire is Georg? IMO
peace and love to you and Irene………………….gene
It is a sure thing why George is posting what he is posting – George has a great Secret that he is hiding and is in fear of his [Spiritual life] so he is desperately trying to persuade himself that despite his [whatever] he will be saved.
George, this is not how it's done – Pretence is not winning you any reward points; Repentance … that is the way – Earnest and with much pleading – Faith and Works – Works for you -for you were a Saul of Tarsus and now you seek to be like Simon the conjurer – No George – be like PAUL the converted – Believe, “What God has cleansed let no man call unclean”.
If you declare your repentance to God and do Good Works, then this will be taken into consideration in the last day.
Misreading Scripture is like trying to white wash your sins – No, no it doesn't work that way for it is not the outer side that god looks upon and you cannot white wash your soul.
We have been through this all before and the question still remains: “If all men will be saved – what is the point of doing good”?
Might as well KILL the Saint and the people of God – they will be saved anyway – send them on their way early, eh? After all, the less time on earth, the less time to fall away into sin after taking up the just cause, eh? so you doing them a favour, eh George?
– Rob them – take whatever you want
– Sod them – even those who can't– Brag,
– shag– boast,
– drink the most
– invite the spirits – be their host
– Never browned off – to you: the toast!– Enjoy yourself each and every day
– We're all gonna be saved any way
– What's the point of being good
– You there! – another plate of food!To all,
Sinners will be saved but not those whom are Satan's children for God is merciful but he is also just.
Jesus does not lie so only those who obey him as Lord can be saved through him.
God is merciful and will take into account one's ignorance but contempt for his truth is the sure way to the lake of fire.
JA.
You say…Quote We have been through this all before and the question still remains: “If all men will be saved – what is the point of doing good”? Might as well KILL the Saint and the people of God – they will be saved anyway – send them on their way early, eh? After all, the less time on earth, the less time to fall away into sin after taking up the just cause, eh? so you doing them a favour, eh George?
– Rob them – take whatever you want
– Sod them – even those who can't– Brag,
– shag– boast,
– drink the most
– invite the spirits – be their host
– Never browned off – to you: the toast!– Enjoy yourself each and every day
– We're all gonna be saved any way
– What's the point of being good
– You there! – another plate of food!The way you describe this task of doing good only because you want to be saved. You make it sound as doing all this sinning, is really fun, here is your quote…
Quote – Rob them – take whatever you want
– Sod them – even those who can't– Brag,
– shag– boast,
– drink the most
– invite the spirits – be their host
– Never browned off – to you: the toast!– Enjoy yourself each and every day
– We're all gonna be saved any way
Enjoy yourself??? Is this what you call it? Are you only being good (suffering according to you) so you can be saved? What a warped outlook on life. You should be ashamed of yourself, do you not do good because you enjoy it? Sounds like it would be a burden, sounds like you would much rather do all these evil things if you could be saved.God Bless, Jerry.
CO
Mt 13:41 The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil..
Mt 17:12 But I tell you, Elijah has already come, and they did not recognize him, but have done to him everything they wished. In the same way the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands.”
Mt 17:13 Then the disciples understood that he was talking to them about John the Baptist..JESUS SAYS THAT THEY HAVE DONE WHAT THEY HAVE WISHED;SO NO ONE FORCED THEM TO DO WHAT THEY DID,THEY CHOOSE TO DO WHAT THEY DID.
Mt 24:44 So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.
IN THIS VERSE JESUS SAYS THAT WE CAN MAKE US READY FOR HIS RETURN;SO THIS ALSO DEPEND ON OUR WILL TO DO SO ,IF WE ARE INTERESTED IN GODS WILL OF CAUSE.
Mk 8:38 If anyone is ashamed of me and my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man will be ashamed of him when he comes in his Father’s glory with the holy angels.”
HERE AGAIN JESUS SHOWS THAT IT IS UP TO US TO LOVE HIM AND SO NOT BE ASHAMED OF HIM AND HIS WORDS.
Ac 2:40 With many other words he warned them; and he pleaded with them, “Save yourselves from this corrupt generation.”
Ac 2:41 Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day.ONCE AGAIN PETER PLEAD TO THE PEOPLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE AND SAVE THEMSELVES FROM THIS WORLD AND SERVE GOD WITH A PURE HEARTH
Jn 6:53 Jesus said to them, “I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you
HERE JESUS MAKE CLEAR WHAT HAS TO BE DONE TO OBTAIN LIVE FROM GOD.
WELL I LEAVE IT IN YOUR HAND AND SPIRIT FOR THE DECISION.
Pierre
Jerry,
You are far nastier than I even imagine you were.
For this reason I condemn you before God Almighty right here in this forum.
And it is only right that you believe that ALL sinners will be saved – because you are the Worst of all Sinners – the worst kind of Sinner – the one who believes that being saved justifies indecent behaviour because it doesn't matter – you gonna be saved anyway!
You have a secret – don't you? Ok, let me say it another way:
“You have a Secret that is causing you great distress – and to this end you seek to comfort yourself
“in the delusion that it if you believe you will be saved despite your great sin, then all be alright.
“To this end you are seeking agreement with others to help sustain your delusion rather than to seek
“repentance from God through Jesus Christ because your sin is so great that you, even to yourself, you
“cannot admit it”By your nasty angry retort in your last post, it is easy to see that I touched your raw nerve – a wake up call that you are exposed…! yet JustAskin is only urging you to seek repentance from God through Jesus Christ.
And you sign off with “God Bless”… that is blasphemous as you do not mean it (This how the Jews began stopping the speaking of the God's name – because people were using it as punctuation and almost to swear by and to swear WITH!
Quote (JustAskin @ Sep. 12 2010,04:40) It is a sure thing why George is posting what he is posting – George has a great Secret that he is hiding and is in fear of his [Spiritual life] so he is desperately trying to persuade himself that despite his [whatever] he will be saved. George, this is not how it's done – Pretence is not winning you any reward points; Repentance … that is the way – Earnest and with much pleading – Faith and Works – Works for you -for you were a Saul of Tarsus and now you seek to be like Simon the conjurer – No George – be like PAUL the converted – Believe, “What God has cleansed let no man call unclean”.
If you declare your repentance to God and do Good Works, then this will be taken into consideration in the last day.
Misreading Scripture is like trying to white wash your sins – No, no it doesn't work that way for it is not the outer side that god looks upon and you cannot white wash your soul.
We have been through this all before and the question still remains: “If all men will be saved – what is the point of doing good”?
Might as well KILL the Saint and the people of God – they will be saved anyway – send them on their way early, eh? After all, the less time on earth, the less time to fall away into sin after taking up the just cause, eh? so you doing them a favour, eh George?
– Rob them – take whatever you want
– Sod them – even those who can't– Brag,
– shag– boast,
– drink the most
– invite the spirits – be their host
– Never browned off – to you: the toast!– Enjoy yourself each and every day
– We're all gonna be saved any way
– What's the point of being good
– You there! – another plate of food!
Were you looking in the mirror when you wrote this?
Georg
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 12 2010,01:44) Georg………..True that day will comes and Has for some already like Sodom and Gomorrah , but they are still raised and Judged again and will be saved because they will recieve more mercy then those that existed at the time of Jesus. All pride and Wickedness will be Destroyed By Fire (intense Judgements of GOD)> And it will burn away the Dross of the Proud and Arrogant that is for sure. In Fact the Smoke of that Judgment will remain for ever and ever. Fire is Symbolic for (intense judgement) Georg, remember it says the baptism of Christ is with Spiirt (AND) FIRE. What do you think that Fire is Georg? IMO peace and love to you and Irene………………….gene
Gene, you would never make it on Bill O'Reilly show.This is what fire is.
1Pe 1:7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:
Georg
Georg…………Where did Chosenone ever say He enjoyed Sin, You are making sin out as something enjoyable not him. It seem your heart craves sin. and the FEAR in you keeps it suppressed. If this is the case you still are under the LAW and have not come to See and (really) hate sin in your and anyones life. What so enjoyable of watching families be torn apart by infidelity or abuses or seeing Wars and young dead men and women and little children homes bombed and people thrown into gas chambers and on and on it goes. I find it hard to believe you think that is enjoyment. In fact i know you don't think that. And Neither does Chosenone think sin is enjoyable either. While temporary flesh pleasure can make one feel good the results are devastating in their and our lives. Georg you are wrong about Chosenone brother. IMO
Georg where have i disagreed with that concerning Fire as the trying Judgment of GOD' You have also left off other things Peter said like ” CONCERNING THIS FIERY TRIAL THAT HAS TRIED YOU AS IF SOME STRANGE THING HAS HAPPENED UNTO YOU”.
1 Co 3:13-15….> Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by (FIRE), and the (FIRE) shall (TRY) or (judge) every man's work of what sort it is. 14….> If any man;s work abides which he has built thereupon, he shall recieve a reward. 15…> If (any) man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: (BUT) he himself shall (BE SAVED); yet so as by (FIRE). This means intense Judgements.
So you see Georg. Fire is used metaphorically as INTENSE JUDGMENTS and Where John said Jesus would Baptize us with spirit (AND) FIRE. God himself is said to be the CONSUMING FIRE. Because He is the ULTIMATE Judge of all thing. IMO
peace and love to you and Irene……………gene
George…
Please accept my apology … the post was meant for Jerry – Chosenone – Co.
I somehow got your names mixed up.
You will see that I am making a pointed statement to someone that CLEARLY does not apply to you (does it).
Even as I apologise I ask though, what did you think when you read it that you ACCEPTED it and made the 'pointless, empty' response.
The content is clearly, I say again, not applicable to you …is it? Anyone can say “Were you looking in the mirror…” – The Jews could even have said that to Jesus when he was admonishing them – Yes, could have said it – if they felt enough GUILT – because such flippant remarks come from that source – do they not, George?
But yet, I say once more, I'm sorry George, the post was directed at Jerry but I got your name in my head some how.
(But perhaps – now I see the response from to a pointed statement that was mistakenly set in your name perhaps it wasn't a mistake – perhaps my mind was GUIDED to place your name there!)
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 11 2010,18:21) Terricca………Why Change words in Rev 21:8………It say the fearful and unbelieving < Not "the coward, the unbelieving" as you insert , do you change scripture because you yourself preach a fear mongering religion. You need to read Rev 22:19, that would apply to you changing the text to fit you dogmas. IMO gene
genesorry,but i have not change nothing ;my version is the NIV
and that s is what it says,
we are not the same i do not change scriptures.
Pierre
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