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NIck………So in you opinion (EVERY) mans work, does not really mean (EVERY MAN) , right? Even though scripture say it is appointed unto man to die once , then after that the judgement, or it doesn't say every man shall give account of what he has done in the flesh. So it doesn't say GOD the SAVIOR of (ALL) Men, Doesn't really mean He is the Savior of (ALL) Men right? Your narrow view of GOD and His judgments are what not in context Nick. Your not able to see that the man whose works were burned up also recieved salvation (YET by FIRE) you don't even understand that the FIRE Hear is representing the Judgments of GOD, nor able to realize if GOD would do that for one , why would he not do it for all, Is there impartiality with GOD, is His judgments different for one then the other. Your view of practicality of GOD”S judgments toward His creation is not scriptural . GOD said he is the same yesterday and today, and for ever, He does not change, contrary to His nature. If he has concluded (ALL) under Sin that He might Have Mercy on (ALL). why should you change that to mean what your personal views are. What Paul said to the church applies to (ALL) Men Its how (ALL) are saved. Its through JUDGMENTS of GOD. (FIRE) in scripture is GOD'S JUDGMENTS. IMO
peace and love……………………gene
Quote (Gene @ May 08 2009,05:43) Irene……….you know some few are saved now, but later all will, YET as BY FIRE (intense judgments). God is not willing that any parish and He does all thing after the council of his own (WILL). SO if God is not willing any parish why should we be ? The problem is in the symbolic language used throughout scripture. Remember where it save (EVERY MANS WORK SHALL BE TRIED) and if He has build with silver and gold, etc, he shall recieve a reward, but if he has built with straw, hay of stubble, He shall suffer Loss , (BUT) he himself shall be save (YET AS BY FIRE) intense Judgments of GOD. I know Nick like to make this only about the elect, but scripture say every man shall give and account of what he has done in the flesh. So i disagree with his narrow view here. IMO love and peace to you and yours…………………….gene
Gene
Explain to me these scriptures.
Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.Hi Georg,
King Jesus ruling from Jerusalem on the throne of David along with his brothers will be attacked at the end of the millenium by the resurgent armies of the nations under the influence of Satan who has been released from his bonds.Thus Psalm2 will find fulfillment
Irene……….Nick has said it right, what you are doing is mixing up the (second) resurrection with the end of the Millennium reign of Jesus and His brothers or SAINTS as Nick said. The Lake of FIRE is Symbolic (FOR INTENSE JUDGMENTS) IMO. I believe that for several reasons , on is how can you toss death and hell into a literial fire , and secondly Many scriptures show fire as a intense Judgment that purifies us as FIRE does Gold and Silver etc. Sis you have to remember the book of revelation was signified (SYMBOLIZED) and then sent. I am not saying ever word or sentence is but a lot of the book was. God the Father and Jesus and the Saints are in the saving business not the destroying business. IMO
peace and love to you and Georg………………..gene
G,
The testing by fire is for purifying those who have the Spirit.
Idolatrous men are not so happily blessed.
Theirs may be the second death
1Cor3Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 08 2009,10:39) Hi Georg,
King Jesus ruling from Jerusalem on the throne of David along with his brothers will be attacked at the end of the millenium by the resurgent armies of the nations under the influence of Satan who has been released from his bonds.Thus Psalm2 will find fulfillment
King Jesus rules through the Holy Spirit already and has since Pentecost over a thousand hears ago.Quote (Gene @ May 09 2009,19:32) Irene……….Nick has said it right, what you are doing is mixing up the (second) resurrection with the end of the Millennium reign of Jesus and His brothers or SAINTS as Nick said. The Lake of FIRE is Symbolic (FOR INTENSE JUDGMENTS) IMO. I believe that for several reasons , on is how can you toss death and hell into a literial fire , and secondly Many scriptures show fire as a intense Judgment that purifies us as FIRE does Gold and Silver etc. Sis you have to remember the book of revelation was signified (SYMBOLIZED) and then sent. I am not saying ever word or sentence is but a lot of the book was. God the Father and Jesus and the Saints are in the saving business not the destroying business. IMO peace and love to you and Georg………………..gene
GeneTo purify gold you need real fire, to purify a saint, to test his faith, fire is used symbolically. When the Romans impaled Christians on a stake and set them on fire, or threw them in an arena full of wild animals, I think the fire could not have been more intense. That however is not the lake of fire, whether the lake of fire is symbolic or not is besides the point, you end up in it, you cease to exist.
How do you destroy death and the grave? What is death? death is a condition brought on by sin; you sin, you die; you die, some one will put you in a grave.
How do you destroy both? by destroying the one who has the power over death.Hbr 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
You destroy (not preserve) the devil, you destroy sin; no more sin, no more death; no more death, no more grave. By throwing Satan in the lake of fire, you destroy death and the grave.
Yes, God is in the saving “business”, but he will force no one to obey him, had that been his plan, Jesus would not have had to die such an agonizing death.
So, maybe you wont to try to explain the two scriptures again.Georg
Quote (Cindy @ May 09 2009,19:55) Quote (Gene @ May 09 2009,19:32) Irene……….Nick has said it right, what you are doing is mixing up the (second) resurrection with the end of the Millennium reign of Jesus and His brothers or SAINTS as Nick said. The Lake of FIRE is Symbolic (FOR INTENSE JUDGMENTS) IMO. I believe that for several reasons , on is how can you toss death and hell into a literial fire , and secondly Many scriptures show fire as a intense Judgment that purifies us as FIRE does Gold and Silver etc. Sis you have to remember the book of revelation was signified (SYMBOLIZED) and then sent. I am not saying ever word or sentence is but a lot of the book was. God the Father and Jesus and the Saints are in the saving business not the destroying business. IMO peace and love to you and Georg………………..gene
GeneTo purify gold you need real fire, to purify a saint, to test his faith, fire is used symbolically. When the Romans impaled Christians on a stake and set them on fire, or threw them in an arena full of wild animals, I think the fire could not have been more intense. That however is not the lake of fire, whether the lake of fire is symbolic or not is besides the point, you end up in it, you cease to exist.
How do you destroy death and the grave? What is death? death is a condition brought on by sin; you sin, you die; you die, some one will put you in a grave.
How do you destroy both? by destroying the one who has the power over death.Hbr 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
You destroy (not preserve) the devil, you destroy sin; no more sin, no more death; no more death, no more grave. By throwing Satan in the lake of fire, you destroy death and the grave.
Yes, God is in the saving “business”, but he will force no one to obey him, had that been his plan, Jesus would not have had to die such an agonizing death.
So, maybe you wont to try to explain the two scriptures again.Georg
Sounds Good!Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 08 2009,15:39) Hi Georg,
King Jesus ruling from Jerusalem on the throne of David along with his brothers will be attacked at the end of the millenium by the resurgent armies of the nations under the influence of Satan who has been released from his bonds.Thus Psalm2 will find fulfillment
NickI thought you said there will be no flesh human beings on the earth?
Georg
Is this not your quote?
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Hi Georg,
Only physical beings need a physical world.
Flesh has no future————–
Georg……….First of all the devil or SATAN or ADVERSARIAL Spirit is not a person as you assume but a SPIRIT (INTELLECT) and this intellect is what will be destroyed and it can be destroyed in a person by several ways , by being washed out of a person through the word of GOD, For you are cleansed by the washing of the word, alone with intense Judgments which is symbolically like a (FIRE) , You saying Gold need real fire to purify it, does not mean Men need real fire to purify or cleans them. Knowing this that the FIERY trial that has tried you as if some strange thing has happened unto you. What do you think that means. Is that a REAL FIRE or Symbolic speaking. Georg we have to remember the bible is (FULL) of SYMBOLISMS Brother. IMO
love and peace to you and Irene……….gene
G,
So washing out of an evil spirit destroys it?
Refer to the teaching of Jesus where he said they wander through desert places looking for another human vessel.You should not make it up as you go along should you if you call him your Lord?
“why do you call me LORD LORD and not do as I say?'
He disciplines His sons.[heb12]
Quote (Gene @ May 10 2009,05:17) Georg……….First of all the devil or SATAN or ADVERSARIAL Spirit is not a person as you assume but a SPIRIT (INTELLECT) and this intellect is what will be destroyed and it can be destroyed in a person by several ways , by being washed out of a person through the word of GOD, For you are cleansed by the washing of the word, alone with intense Judgments which is symbolically like a (FIRE) , You saying Gold need real fire to purify it, does not mean Men need real fire to purify or cleans them. Knowing this that the FIERY trial that has tried you as if some strange thing has happened unto you. What do you think that means. Is that a REAL FIRE or Symbolic speaking. Georg we have to remember the bible is (FULL) of SYMBOLISMS Brother. IMO love and peace to you and Irene……….gene
GeneYou're beginning to sound like Nick, not to mention that you avoid answering question; you're becoming a spinner, not very attractive.
If you think the devil is just in our minds; who was it that was cast out of heaven?Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
All this is symbolic?
Georg
Quote (Cindy @ May 10 2009,10:44) Quote (Gene @ May 10 2009,05:17) Georg……….First of all the devil or SATAN or ADVERSARIAL Spirit is not a person as you assume but a SPIRIT (INTELLECT) and this intellect is what will be destroyed and it can be destroyed in a person by several ways , by being washed out of a person through the word of GOD, For you are cleansed by the washing of the word, alone with intense Judgments which is symbolically like a (FIRE) , You saying Gold need real fire to purify it, does not mean Men need real fire to purify or cleans them. Knowing this that the FIERY trial that has tried you as if some strange thing has happened unto you. What do you think that means. Is that a REAL FIRE or Symbolic speaking. Georg we have to remember the bible is (FULL) of SYMBOLISMS Brother. IMO love and peace to you and Irene……….gene
GeneYou're beginning to sound like Nick, not to mention that you avoid answering question; you're becoming a spinner, not very attractive.
If you think the devil is just in our minds; who was it that was cast out of heaven?Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
All this is symbolic?
Georg
Yes George it is symbolic and the bible tells us what the symbols mean. The dragon that is also referred to as being the Satan cast from heaven is said to represent Kings. The Old Testament as well as several other ancient text speak of kings who dwell in the heavens, it represents not only their high position but also Kings often think they are themselves a god. Their temples called Ziggurats was the place were heaven met earth. We see in the Old Testament God tearing down these heavenly places, because the Kings OWN heart became wicked. God cast down not only their egos which reached heaven but also their temples which reached the heavens.Georg the bible specifically tells us that the dragon represents Kings. The word angel remember represents messenger and does not in every text represent a supernatural one. If the dragon represents kings then in the case of Revelation 12, obviously then the dragon and its messengers represent human beings.
We see also in Revelation the devil is going to put into prison Christians… this is obviously talking about a king who is getting ready to persecute Christians.
Kings are satans like Peter was a satan, because they have in mind the ways of man…which is their carnal nature, they are not of God full of His wisdom and understanding, but are like brute beasts, like lions ready to devour.
Georg I know your not a liar by intention, but I think if you stick with what the scriptures say you will find that the traditional beliefs on this subject are dead wrong.
Peace to you, Jodi
Georg……….Brother, the (DOCTRINES) about demons is a FALSE teaching of the APOSTATE Churches, we are told to come out of HER that we recieve not of (HER) Plagues, the Plague of Demons and DEVIL persons going around jumping in and out of People . Just Causes Evil suspicions in the minds of people and arouses fears, which are phobias, these are the plagues people recieve by believing in these false teachings.
Georg a person is what he thinks as scripture says “so a man thinks so he is”. If you allow false teaching to influence your thinking you are becoming a influenced by them. GOD in the old testament forbid any of these teachings about devils and demons. READ and think about what Jodi said concerning this, she is right on. IMOpeace and love to you and Irene……………..gene
NH.
1Cor.15:25-28 … 25 For He must be reigning until He should be placing all His enemies under His feet.
26 The last enemy is being abolished: death.
27 For He subjects all under His feet. Now whenever He may be saying that all is subject, it is evident that it is outside of Him Who subjects all to Him.
28 Now, whenever all may be subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also shall be subjected to Him Who subjects all to Him, that God may be All in all.)Not All in some… but All in all.
Blessings.
Hi CO,
Yes he will be in all and they will all be in Him,
But before then we see the refuse of mankind thrown in the lake of fire.Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 12 2009,07:20) Hi CO,
Yes he will be in all and they will all be in Him,
But before then we see the refuse of mankind thrown in the lake of fire.
NH.
The “lake of fire” is the second death, when death is abolished, as in 1Cor.15 then all will live. That is why we can safely believe that God will be “All in all”. Scripture says so!Hi CO,
The waiting places will be destroyed and men face judgement.…once to die and then the judgement..
After Judgement the goats will join Satan in the lake of fire.
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