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NH.
Isaiah 46:10 (Gods words)
Saying, All My councel shall be confirmed,
And all My desire will I do.1Tim.2:3-4
3 for this is ideal and welcome in the sight of our Saviour, God,
4 Who wills that all mankind be saved and come into a realization of the truth.Nick, according to your beliefs, these scriptures are untrue?
Hi CO,
So when you add the ideas that God will do what He wants and that He wants all to be saved you can logically deduce all will be saved?
Get serious and spare us the puerile patchwork understanding of the sacred words.Georg……….So in you opinion Kind David will be thrown into a literial lake of fire , after he not only committed Adultery , but Murdered Uriah the Hittite, Plus told His son Solomon to Murder two others when he was on his death bed. So what do you make of that Georg. Can God save whomsoever He choses. Did He not commute (ALL) of Man Kinds Sin through the Blood of Jesus. What does this Mean to you “For God has accounted us (ALL) Under Sin, that He might have Mercy ON (ALL). At lest that is what my bible says.
peace and love………………gene
GB,
God did not take His Spirit from David and those of the Spirit can never die the second death but have passed over from death to life.
Blessed are those to whom God ascribes no sin.
Mercy still reigns.
Reach out.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 07 2010,18:59) Isaiah 46:10 (Gods words)
Saying, All My councel shall be confirmed,
And all My desire will I do.1Tim.2:3-4
3 for this is ideal and welcome in the sight of our Saviour, God,
4 Who wills that all mankind be saved and come into a realization of the truth.Nick, according to your beliefs, these scriptures are untrue?
Hi CO,
So when you add the ideas that God will do what He wants and that He wants all to be saved you can logically deduce all will be saved?
Get serious and spare us the puerile patchwork understanding of the sacred words.
NH.
So why not admit you don't understand scripture? Your answer clearly shows your understanding of this scripture is not understood by you.
Try and give us your version of what these scriptures mean.I'm sure you won't give an answer!
CO,
So far you have demonstrated a lack of knowledge of the importance of context and scriptural alignment.Now you are into tacking verses together and drawing conclusions from the combination which is more typical of the JWs.
Wake up.
NH.
So, in context, describe what you understand these scripture mean?We're anxiuosly awaiting what, in your wisdom, within context, their meaning!
Again, like the last reply, I don't expect an answer, just more of your jibberish.
Hi CO,
Read for yourself.
Find supporting verses and do not make a patchwork quilt.
Just do not read the sacred words in defence of man's dogmas like universalism.Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 08 2010,02:34) Georg……….So in you opinion Kind David will be thrown into a literial lake of fire , after he not only committed Adultery , but Murdered Uriah the Hittite, Plus told His son Solomon to Murder two others when he was on his death bed. So what do you make of that Georg. Can God save whomsoever He choses. Did He not commute (ALL) of Man Kinds Sin through the Blood of Jesus. What does this Mean to you “For God has accounted us (ALL) Under Sin, that He might have Mercy ON (ALL). At lest that is what my bible says. peace and love………………gene
GeneWhere did I even mention David?
God “will” forgive “every” sinner who ask for forgiveness.
Those that do not, God can't forgive; only those that except the sacrifice of Jesus, God can and will forgive; it's that simple.
God has accounted us under sin because we “are” all sinners, but his mercy is not automatic, if it was, why did Jesus have to die?Georg
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 08 2010,14:08) Hi CO,
Read for yourself.
Find supporting verses and do not make a patchwork quilt.
Just do not read the sacred words in defence of man's dogmas like universalism.
NH.
No scripture, just criticise, typical. Can't find scripture for your dogmatic view of Hell?Quote (chosenone @ Mar. 07 2010,18:14) NH.
Isaiah 46:10 (Gods words)
Saying, All My councel shall be confirmed,
And all My desire will I do.1Tim.2:3-4
3 for this is ideal and welcome in the sight of our Saviour, God,
4 Who wills that all mankind be saved and come into a realization of the truth.Nick, according to your beliefs, these scriptures are untrue?
COwhy you don't show the entire scripture quote ,because it does not support your explanation??
God does not take counsel ,he give counsel
1Ti 2:1 I urge, then, first of all, that requests, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for everyone—
1Ti 2:2 for kings and all those in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness.
1Ti 2:3 This is good, and pleases God our Savior,
1Ti 2:4 who wants all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.
1Ti 2:5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
1Ti 2:6 who gave himself as a ransom for all men—the testimony given in its proper time.
1Ti 2:7 And for this purpose I was appointed a herald and an apostle—I am telling the truth, I am not lying—and a teacher of the true faith to the Gentiles.
1Ti 2:8 I want men everywhere to lift up holy hands in prayer, without anger or disputing.Isa 46:8 “Remember this, fix it in mind,
take it to heart, you rebels.
Isa 46:9 Remember the former things, those of long ago;
I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is none like me.
Isa 46:10 I make known the end from the beginning,
from ancient times, what is still to come.
I say: My purpose will stand,
and I will do all that I please.
Isa 46:11 From the east I summon a bird of prey;
from a far-off land, a man to fulfill my purpose.
What I have said, that will I bring about;
what I have planned, that will I do.
Isa 46:12 Listen to me, you stubborn-hearted,
you who are far from righteousness.
Isa 46:13 I am bringing my righteousness near,
it is not far away;
and my salvation will not be delayed.
I will grant salvation to Zion,
my splendor to Israel.now we can see your twisting minds
terraricca.
Your quoting more scripture to add to what I posted does not in any way negate what I said.
Can you show me what parts of scripture that you added that I supposedly “twisted minds”?
You don't make any sense in your reply, try and be more specific in your answers, and less disrespectful, it would be more befitting and “Christlike”.Jerry.
CO
3 for this is ideal and welcome in the sight of our Saviour, God,
4 Who wills that all mankind be saved and come into a realization of the truth.what you try to make people believe is that God will save all mankind no matter what.is it
CO
Isaiah 46:10 (Gods words)
Saying, All My councel shall be confirmed,
And all My desire will I do.see i quoted the same scriptures but it is not the same ,wen people get picky in there partial verses it has never be for the best,
wen you read the context it is more comprehensive
terraricca……..How does that contradict what Chosenone said? Those scriptures do not change what he posted at all. I think you just use that to cover up admitting your wrong in what you are insinuating they say, so you just post a whole mess of Scriptures that change nothing go give yourself an appearance of Knowing what you are saying. If GOD say He has concluded (ALL) under sin (that includes you too) , that He might have mercy under (ALL). You start to qualify that by posting all kinds of things you believe are exceptions to what is written there, but in fact all those you post do (NOT) (disqualify) What has been presented. No Matter how many scripture you try to quote to disqualify what is quoted. To try to say we only quote particle scriptures is a LIE , we have posted many complete scripture texts and you still deny what is written. Jodi has posted many many many complete written texts and you still do the same thing to her. Your stubbornness to admit the truth here is the problem not the scriptures or us quoting them. IMO
Gene.
Thanks for your reply to terraricca, you said it better than I could have. Just quoting a lot of scripture that has nothing to do with the subject at hand, does not prove anything, except divert attention from what is being discussed.God Bless, Jerry.
Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 09 2010,09:30) CO Isaiah 46:10 (Gods words)
Saying, All My councel shall be confirmed,
And all My desire will I do.see i quoted the same scriptures but it is not the same ,wen people get picky in there partial verses it has never be for the best,
wen you read the context it is more comprehensive
terraricca.
Please show me in what context that you refer to, that changes the meaning of Isaiah 46:10?
When God says “All My desire will I do”, please show the scripture that you say 'in context', changes the meaning of this scripture.Blessings, Jerry.
Quote (chosenone @ Mar. 14 2010,07:21) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 09 2010,09:30) CO Isaiah 46:10 (Gods words)
Saying, All My councel shall be confirmed,
And all My desire will I do.see i quoted the same scriptures but it is not the same ,wen people get picky in there partial verses it has never be for the best,
wen you read the context it is more comprehensive
terraricca.
Please show me in what context that you refer to, that changes the meaning of Isaiah 46:10?
When God says “All My desire will I do”, please show the scripture that you say 'in context', changes the meaning of this scripture.Blessings, Jerry.
COIsa 46:9 Remember the former things, those of long ago;
I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is none like me.
Isa 46:10 I make known the end from the beginning,
from ancient times, what is still to come.
I say: My purpose will stand,
and I will do all that I please.WEN YOU QUOTE PARTIAL VERSES IT DOES NOT IMPLY THE SAMETINGS,
IN THIS WAY YOU ONLY QUOTE ; My purpose will stand,
and I will do all that I please,IT DOES NOT NOW IMPLY THAT GOD TALKS ABOUT HIS PLAN TO THE HUMAN RACE,
YOU ALSO USE A WORD LIKE “COUNCEL” AND TRY TO IMPLY THAT GOD USES A COUNCEL TO FULLFIL HIS WILL,WHAT IS NOT THE CASE IN ANY SCRIPTURES.
SO WHAT I SAY IF YOU WANT THE SCRIPTURES TO BACKUP YOUR THOUGHTS MAKE SURE IT IS IN A TRUE WAY.ACCORDING TO THE TRUTH.
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