Why two thrones?

[mikeboll64]

Hi All,

Maybe someone can shed some insight on something I've been wondering.

In Rev, Jesus says he's been granted to sit on the Father's throne with Him, and we will be granted to sit on his with him.

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Revelation 3:21 NIV To him who overcomes, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I overcame and sat down with my Father on his throne.

This confuses me from the trinitarians point of view.  If the Godhead is only one entity, consisting of three separate persons, why the need of two different thrones?  

On the other hand, if each person in the Godhead deserves his own throne, where's the third throne for the Holy Spirit?

peace and love,
mike

[Lightenup]

Hi Mike,
If you apply your K.I.S.S. approach (keep it simple, stupid) then you might see why I think that there are only 2 persons within the Godhead and the Holy Spirit is not a separate person but the inner person of the Godhead who originated in the Father and remains in the Father but also flows to the Son and then to the rest of believers.

[JustAskin]

LU,

KISAS – Keep It Short And Simple – sounds better…

[JustAskin]

LU,
Not stealig Mike's throne here but I think he knows what the Holy Spirit is.

This aspect fits your theory well enough – but finding one thing that fits is what… Do you do jigsaw puzzles?

When you try to force fit the pieces together, bending pieces into place and explaining away buckles and gaps, not the mention that the picture doesn't quite amount to anything overly plausible (That Piccass or Rembrant might have painted – mind you …!!) and then you actually find two pieces that fit together – and you use that to justify all teh rest of the other misfitting pieces – you claim a victory? Incredible – You must have been thrilled when you saw Mike's post.

Perhaps you could actually answer Mike's post then. You haven't done so yet.

All scriptures is not given to one man's interpretation, so I am eager to hear what you say, please.

[Lightenup]

JA,
I have had others bear witness to what I believe…I am not alone in this. Also, the pieces are fitting together rather nicely now that I have a strong foundation. Thanks for your concern tho.

[terraricca]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 08 2010,16:58)

Hi All, Maybe someone can shed some insight on something I've been wondering. In Rev, Jesus says he's been granted to sit on the Father's throne with Him, and we will be granted to sit on his with him. Quote Revelation 3:21 NIV To him who overcomes, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I overcame and sat down with my Father on his throne. This confuses me from the trinitarians point of view.  If the Godhead is only one entity, consisting of three separate persons, why the need of two different thrones?   On the other hand, if each person in the Godhead deserves his own throne, where's the third throne for the Holy Spirit? peace and love, mike

mike
i can understand you because that what the bible teaches

but LU, start he own religion brand,do not forget this are the times of the end and many will come and say here he is come to us we know Jesus,they have a new god and a new gospel,;so there is nothing that anyone of us can do beside staying attached to what is true according to the word of God.and denounce this madness to others.

[JustAskin]

LU,

But you have not answerd Mike's question,

Nover mind my rantings – you should have got over that by now – stick to the Q's at hand.

Please answer Mike's question from the picture that you are forming in your mosaic, collage, fresco or ought else.

[Lightenup]

Quote (JustAskin @ April 08 2010,14:23)

LU, But you have not answerd Mike's question, Nover mind my rantings – you should have got over that by now – stick to the Q's at hand. Please answer Mike's question from the picture that you are forming in your mosaic, collage, fresco or ought else.

JA,
I only have an idea as to why there are two different thrones, one for the Father which the Son sits on with Him and another that the Son sits on and those that overcome.

I would share my idea with you but it is just that…an idea. I don't think you are just looking for ideas are you?

[JustAskin]

LU,

You have shown Godly truth.

Thank you.

I have said to many – If you don't know a thing – JUST SAY SO – don't make things up just to proffer and answer – that way lies (literaly) the path to the dark side becaus eyou may be called to defend what you say (See how TT thrashes around when he is caught in his own net of iniquity)

[942767]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 08 2010,16:58)

Hi All, Maybe someone can shed some insight on something I've been wondering. In Rev, Jesus says he's been granted to sit on the Father's throne with Him, and we will be granted to sit on his with him. Quote Revelation 3:21 NIV To him who overcomes, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I overcame and sat down with my Father on his throne. This confuses me from the trinitarians point of view.  If the Godhead is only one entity, consisting of three separate persons, why the need of two different thrones?   On the other hand, if each person in the Godhead deserves his own throne, where's the third throne for the Holy Spirit? peace and love, mike

Hi Mike:

Because the authority was delegated by God to Jesus as head of the church and to us by Jesus, and so, Jesus and the Father are not the same person, and we are members of the body of Christ, but we are a many membered body.

However, it is the Word of God that proceeds from the God our Father that we are striving to obey from the head of the church on down to the little pinky of the many membered body. There is “One God” who is the Father of all who is above all, and in us all ( who are born of His Spirit).

There is no trinity or tri-une God.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[JustAskin]

Marty,
Would that even a few others would profess what you have just professed.

I hope you and I can agree on other finer points.

I have not read many of your posts before, maybe I should have,

I was put off by the number of your name…

What does it mean?

[942767]

Quote (JustAskin @ April 09 2010,10:00)

Marty, Would that even a few others would profess what you have just professed. I hope you and I can agree on other finer points. I have not read many of your posts before, maybe I should have, I was put off by the number of your name… What does it mean?

Hi JA:

My username doesn't have any specific meaning. It was just something that was easy for me to remember, and I really did not know what to use when I first joined.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[JustAskin]

Marty,
I thought it was a mobikephine keys code but it didn't make any sensible word or simple name.
'whasop' was the best I could make.

[942767]

Quote (JustAskin @ April 09 2010,10:28)

Marty, I thought it was a mobikephine keys code but it didn't make any sensible word or simple name. 'whasop' was the best I could make.

Hi JA:

I am sorry for the confusion. I thought about changing it, but that would mean that it would be difficult to follow what I have posted on this site.

You should have asked me what it meant sooner.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[mikeboll64]

Quote (942767 @ April 09 2010,09:55)

There is “One God” who is the Father of all who is above all, and in us all ( who are born of His Spirit). There is no trinity or tri-une God. Love in Christ, Marty

Hi Marty, Ja and Kathi,

I hope you are all well.  Thanks for your imput.  I know there is only one true God.  The Scriptures teach it, and I believe.  And I know there are two thrones for a reason.  One for God, and one for our King, Jesus.  Whether figuratively or physically remains to be seen at the end of this age.  

I was actually hoping for some trinitarians to pipe in with their explanation, but it seems I've only strengthened Kathi's belief in two God's.  Bummer.

peace and love to you all,
mike

[JustAskin]

Mike, figurative throne.

Spiritual beings don't actually need to sit down!

Throne represents authorative position.

[JustAskin]

Substitute 'Authorative Position' in some narrative and see a whole new revelation.

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[mikeboll64]

Quote (JustAskin @ April 09 2010,13:12)

Mike, figurative throne. Spiritual beings don't actually need to sit down! Throne represents authorative position.

I would think that too. But the throne is describe in detail – who knows?

I don't understand your second post.

mike

[Is 1:18]

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I was actually hoping for some trinitarians to pipe in with their explanation, but it seems I've only strengthened Kathi's belief in two God's.  Bummer. peace and love to you all, mike

Mike. Pay attention.

In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation–having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is given as a pledge of our inheritance, with a view to the redemption of God's own possession, to the praise of His glory. (Ephesians 1:13-14, NASB)

cf.

“I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever; that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you and will be in you. (John 14:16-17, NASB)

“Sealed”…
“In you”….
“Forever”…..

Endure sound teaching.

[Proclaimer]

Quote (942767 @ April 09 2010,10:16)

Hi JA: My username doesn't have any specific meaning. It was just something that was easy for me to remember, and I really did not know what to use when I first joined. Love in Christ, Marty

Ask Ed to work out the name. There might be some hidden meaning you don't know about.

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