- This topic is empty.
- Posts
martian
if you split those verses apart like you do other scriptures ,i am sure you would get the point
Pierre
Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 27 2010,15:13) Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 27 2010,11:59) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 26 2010,23:29) DBF…………Hay i am not the one saying there exists a spirit (BODY) I believe a Spirit is what is (IN) a body remember. Jesus said a Spirit does not have flesh and bone as he did, (after his resurrection). So i believe Jesus did have a Spirit (IN) Him though , the one the father put back into his resurected Body. peace and love…………………….gene
Gene,I can agree with that. I believe it is the same spirit that departed his body and then went back into it.
But that is where I also believe that is how in Phil 2 Jesus emptied a previous body and that his spirit was implanted by the Holy Spirit into Mary becoming Yahshua/Jesus.
Could this be possible?
The Professor
DBFcould it be that angels have a ADN” as well ? i could believe that.
God is spirit ,the scriptures says that all the univers can not contain him ,it could mean because all is contained in him?
Pierre
Pierre,I believe everything has a code to them.
A special group of Rabbis believe that the Torah contains the code necessary to create the universe.
Sort of like the old computers whereby you had to have punch cards and then out came your results in a workable program.
So Jesus was the computer and God's words were the punch cards that were fed thru His son to create everything that was created. Without His son nothing was created that was created.
The Professor
Quote (martian @ Aug. 25 2010,11:26) Quote (Baker @ Aug. 24 2010,10:41) Quote (martian @ Aug. 24 2010,04:51) Quote (Baker @ Aug. 23 2010,12:14) Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 20 2010,15:29) Irene, You are perhaps answering the question posed by this thread when you state your belief that Jesus gave up much when he choose to become a human being.
What did he give up?
He is presently King of everything on earth and in heaven and from what you seem to imply has always been. He showed quite a bit of authority even as a human being. It is my understanding that you also believe that he shape changed from am immaterial being to a human being was resurrected as a human being and then shape changed back into an immaterial being. In short I nothing he surrendered.
I am wondering if you tested your beliefs as instructed to do by God.
kerwin! He had a glory with His Father, He was a Spirit Being. The reason I can say that is because in John 17:5 He said:” And now O Father glorify Me together with Yourself with the glory I had before the world was. To that glory He went back to. He came down from Heaven to do the will of Him who send Him.
John 6:38 “For I have come down from Heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who send Me.
I know that you don't believe that John 1:1 The Word of God is who became Jesus, however when you read in Rev. 19:13 it says this
“He was clothed in a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.”
verse 14 And the armies in heaven, clothed in fine linen white and clean, followed Him on white horsed.
verse 15 Now out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should strike the nations. And He Himself will rule them with a rod of iron. He Himself treads the wine press of the fierceness and the wrath of Almighty God.
verse 16 And He has on His robe and on His thigh a name written:” KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS. Is there anyone else that fits that description? I do not think so…..You know it is so amazing with all this Scriptures that shows us that Christ was before all. The firstborn of all creation Col. 1:15 and through Him all was created verse 16 and John 1:3 and in John 1:14 He became flesh and was called Jesus as a Human being. He went back and will come again as The Words of God and KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS. kerwin, is it really that hard to grasp all of that? Or is it someones pride that just does not let one acknowledge that it is the truth, listed in Scriptures….. I do know how hard it was for me, to say I was wrong, and the person that told us, was right. But I did, and it was not easy…..but you know God helped us with all of it…..and it has nothing to do with the trinity or that Jesus had to be just like us….He was just like us that He was a Human being and hurt like us and was very scared when He was in the Garden, of I forgot the name of that Garden, where He went and prayed to God to let that cup pass Him by…. We should all be so thankful that He gave up His glory to die for us, and now He will never die, immortality was His reward…..
Peace to you Irene
Irene,
You have still not defined Spirit Being. How about just defining spirit.
Oh, yes I did. I gave you the example of Nicodemus, where the wind blows….John 1:8 .And what is our Heavenly Father like. The Word of God, is the image of the invisible God it says in Col. 1:15.
Irene
So then Jesus literally after his resurrection become a puff of air or a current of air?
If you are going to take the scripture literally that says Jesus becomes a quickening spirit then you must believe that he becomes a literal blowing wind.
You can make all the fun of Scriptures as you want to, but that is what Jesus was saying, read it yourself……John 3:8. You seem to always know how to make fun of things…..let me tell you Mr. I will take Jesus word for it any old time rather then any member here…..and you are first in line…..IreneJhn 3:36 “He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”
1Jo 1:2 and the life was manifested, and we have seen and testify and proclaim to you the “eternal life”, which was with the Father and was manifested to us—
Again Jesus which was WITH God…..is called the eternal life which was with the Father….from the beginning…..
1Jo 1:1 What was from the beginning, what we have heard, what we have seen with our eyes, what we have looked at and touched with our hands, concerning the “Word of Life”—
The Professor
Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 28 2010,15:56) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 27 2010,15:13) Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 27 2010,11:59) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 26 2010,23:29) DBF…………Hay i am not the one saying there exists a spirit (BODY) I believe a Spirit is what is (IN) a body remember. Jesus said a Spirit does not have flesh and bone as he did, (after his resurrection). So i believe Jesus did have a Spirit (IN) Him though , the one the father put back into his resurected Body. peace and love…………………….gene
Gene,I can agree with that. I believe it is the same spirit that departed his body and then went back into it.
But that is where I also believe that is how in Phil 2 Jesus emptied a previous body and that his spirit was implanted by the Holy Spirit into Mary becoming Yahshua/Jesus.
Could this be possible?
The Professor
DBFcould it be that angels have a ADN” as well ? i could believe that.
God is spirit ,the scriptures says that all the univers can not contain him ,it could mean because all is contained in him?
Pierre
Pierre,I believe everything has a code to them.
A special group of Rabbis believe that the Torah contains the code necessary to create the universe.
Sort of like the old computers whereby you had to have punch cards and then out came your results in a workable program.
So Jesus was the computer and God's words were the punch cards that were fed thru His son to create everything that was created. Without His son nothing was created that was created.
The Professor
DBFI am sad that you think that and believe that as well this is not God s way nor it is Christ way,
Men's way is and always was to hide things from others ,mystery ,secret,this is not the scriptures way ,I have explain this before God gives freely but to receive it you have to be in a position good to God to receive ,but he as it all spelled out in black and white .
YOU WILL NOT BE SAVED UNLESS YOU DO WHAT CHRIST TOLD YOU TO DO TO BE SAVED.IN BLACK AND WHITE.
Pierre
Pierre,
I have to admit I am having a very difficult time understanding what you are trying to say.
DNA (codes) and salvation are two different topics. Why don't you give some Scriptures (in black and white) to help me out, ok?
Jhn 6:29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent.”
DNA is an opinion and cannot be collaborated via the Bible. The analogy was given to help you understand how the Rabbis believed.
Pierre,
I think God had a design for everything and within everything God put a code to distinguish one member of creation from another.
I'd love to know more how DNA works and even the periodic table of elements but I have only a limited capacity to understand and learn.
Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 28 2010,22:32) Pierre, I have to admit I am having a very difficult time understanding what you are trying to say.
DNA (codes) and salvation are two different topics. Why don't you give some Scriptures (in black and white) to help me out, ok?
Jhn 6:29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent.”
DNA is an opinion and cannot be collaborated via the Bible. The analogy was given to help you understand how the Rabbis believed.
DBFthis is why i written my comment to you ;Pierre,
I believe everything has a code to them.
A special group of Rabbis believe that the Torah contains the code necessary to create the universe
Pierre
Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 28 2010,23:30) Sorry Pierre, but now I am even more confused. Start fresh and maybe we can make something out, ok?
DBFI understood that you believed that there is a hidden code in scriptures as so do believe the JEWS,
and that is what start it all, if i miss understand it i am very sorry.and please forgive me .out of Christ love .
Pierre
To All …………..All this yakking and no one addressing the subject of this thread. Why must Christ pre-exist? Let here son (GOOD REASONS) WHY JESUS HAD TO PREEXIST. Surely all you who believe he did preexist can come up with something. Put your heads together and come up with some reason he (MUST) have Preexisted.
peace and love to you all……………………………..gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 28 2010,18:30) To All …………..All this yakking and no one addressing the subject of this thread. Why must Christ pre-exist? Let here son (GOOD REASONS) WHY JESUS HAD TO PREEXIST. Surely all you who believe he did preexist can come up with something. Put your heads together and come up with some reason he (MUST) have Preexisted. peace and love to you all……………………………..gene
I agree Gene. ne of the primary indicators of “philosophy” is that it really serves little purpose except to form mental imagery. Philosophy lacks the anointed power to change lives. It does little to inspire change or give example for the Christian to follow.
Let me remind readers of the first post by which I started this thread. The questions are still valid.
All the debates center on proving that Christ pre-existed, I want to know what purpose it serves. Did God do it so that we would have something to debate? How does this doctrine work? What does it do for the believer? How does it help me along the journey to become like Christ?
What kind of fruit does it produce in my life? How does it edify or build me up?Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 29 2010,01:30) To All …………..All this yakking and no one addressing the subject of this thread. Why must Christ pre-exist? Let here son (GOOD REASONS) WHY JESUS HAD TO PREEXIST. Surely all you who believe he did preexist can come up with something. Put your heads together and come up with some reason he (MUST) have Preexisted. peace and love to you all……………………………..gene
gene
here are 14 pages on this topic and some more in similar topics ,GO AND LOOK YOU WILL SEE THE ANSWERS THERE.
Pierre
Terricca……….NOT one word in all those posts shows (WHY) Jesus (MUST) Preexist Him Berth on earth. When are you going to start to think about the subjects before you start to speak ?.
peace and love…………………..gene
Martain,
Jesus' teaching are philosophy which is why his students are called disciples. Most philosophies rely on the principles of this world but gospel relies on godly principles.
Adhere to godly principles and you will inherit eternal live adhere to the principles of this world and you will end up in the lake of fire.
Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 30 2010,03:06) Martain, Jesus' teaching are philosophy which is why his students are called disciples. Most philosophies rely on the principles of this world but gospel relies on godly principles.
Adhere to godly principles and you will inherit eternal live adhere to the principles of this world and you will end up in the lake of fire.
Never the less, I am still looking for the fruit of the pre-existence or Trinity Doctrines. What does it produce in the believer other then some mental imagery to debate. Hoe does it build hope or give example to follow?Quote (martian @ Aug. 15 2010,05:01) All the debates center on proving that Christ pre-existed, I want to know what purpose it serves. Did God do it so that we would have something to debate? How does this doctrine work? What does it do for the believer? How does it help me along the journey to become like Christ?
What kind of fruit does it produce in my life? How does it edify or build me up?
martianThe son of God, Jesus, was God's first and only creation, everything else was created by the son, Col. 1:16.
God had to explain his plan for his creation to him, and since God can see the future before it happens, he also knew that man would sin, and sin deserves death. But God did not wanted to created anything that would not last for ever; we would need some one to die for our sins, in our stead. The son, Jesus, volunteered to die for us, that's why the Bible says, he was the Lamb, slain from before the foundation of the world, Rev. 13:8.
Jesus came to “save” the world, not to condemn it. What is going on right now, is not saving the world by any preacher, it is witnessing the gospel to the world. “Jesus WILL” save the world when “HE” begins to reign. The problem is, man has decided to do the job for Jesus, and as you can see, it's not working, is it?Georg
Quote (Baker @ Aug. 31 2010,07:11) Quote (martian @ Aug. 15 2010,05:01) All the debates center on proving that Christ pre-existed, I want to know what purpose it serves. Did God do it so that we would have something to debate? How does this doctrine work? What does it do for the believer? How does it help me along the journey to become like Christ?
What kind of fruit does it produce in my life? How does it edify or build me up?
martianThe son of God, Jesus, was God's first and only creation, everything else was created by the son, Col. 1:16.
God had to explain his plan for his creation to him, and since God can see the future before it happens, he also knew that man would sin, and sin deserves death. But God did not wanted to created anything that would not last for ever; we would need some one to die for our sins, in our stead. The son, Jesus, volunteered to die for us, that's why the Bible says, he was the Lamb, slain from before the foundation of the world, Rev. 13:8.
Jesus came to “save” the world, not to condemn it. What is going on right now, is not saving the world by any preacher, it is witnessing the gospel to the world. “Jesus WILL” save the world when “HE” begins to reign. The problem is, man has decided to do the job for Jesus, and as you can see, it's not working, is it?Georg
George and Irene,
I am attempting to not debate with you. I would ask you too to avoid mine.
- You must be logged in to reply to this topic.
