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Hi Jodi
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Anthony,
Matthew gives you the GENESIS of Jesus where it goes from Abraham to David and from David to Joseph, and then you are told Jesus is Genea of these men, which means begotten/of the stock of. Also as said you are told that Jesus is of the fruit of David’s loins, that he is an anthropos (human), that he is of the seed of Abraham.
Me : been there with you already, when O first got here to the site. Not going there again you know what I have to say about all this. You believe Jesus Christ is just a man and I don’t. So save your energy for other that haven’t heard your spill on these matters., this is all you and Gene talk about. It seems anything that shared on this site goes right to Jesus Christ is just a man
Time to grow up and move on.
God bless.
Hi Anthony,
Psalms 132:11 The LORD hath sworn in truth unto David; he will not turn from it; Of the fruit of thy body will I set upon thy throne.12 If thy children will keep my covenant and my testimony that I shall teach them, their children shall also sit upon thy throne for evermore. 13 For the LORD hath chosen Zion; he hath desired it for his habitation. 14 This is my rest for ever: here will I dwell; for I have desired it. 15 I will abundantly bless her provision: I will satisfy her poor with bread. 16 I will also clothe her priests with salvation: and her saints shall shout aloud for joy. 17 There will I make the horn of David to bud: I have ordained a lamp for mine anointed. 18 His enemies will I clothe with shame: but upon himself shall his crown flourish.
Acts 17:31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
Anthony…..Tell me where Jodi or I ever said Jesus is “just a man” I have never said that, nor has Jodi. You seem to not have any fear to lie, about what people say, but then again if you believe and worship Jesus as your God , you have bought into the biggest LIE ever told, so what else could be expected of you.
Jodi and I both bow our knee to Jesus as our lord, to the “GLORY OF GOD”, our and his Father.
You and false preachers like you “Rob” God of his “Glory” and give it to Jesus, worshiping him as your God, something Jesus never did nor ever told us to do.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene
Gene:
You: Anthony…..Tell me where Jodi or I ever said Jesus is “just a man” I have never said that, nor has Jodi. You seem to not have any fear to lie, about what people say,
Me: Page 6. top post #845818
Quote from Jodi: Jesus had to be one of us humans, in fact “exactly” like us in “every” way, except without sin. Jesus told us we have to overcome even as he did, in order for us to be in his kingdom.
Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so DEATH PASSED UPON ALL MEN (me: Eph ho: on the basis of) all have sinned:
Me: The Messiah was not like us in every way or he would have sinned because sin and death would have been in his flesh.
Romans 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not…24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? 25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
Me: Our bodies will become like his, not his became like ours.
Eph 5:30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
Gene:
You: You and false preachers like you “Rob” God of his “Glory” and give it to Jesus, worshiping him as your God, something Jesus never did nor ever told us to do. but then again if you believe and worship Jesus as your God , you have bought into the biggest LIE ever told, so what else could be expected of you.
Matt 2:1 Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem, 2 Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him…11 And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down (Me: on their two knees), and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense and myrrh.
Me: The wise men bowed down and worshiped the Messiah as a young born as God. I guess you are wiser than them and choose not to.
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Col 1:19 For it was the Father’s good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him.New American Standard Bible
Col 2:9 For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form,John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God…14 And the Word was made flesh (Me: came into flesh as one with), and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Me: You seem not to realize that the Messiah is God.
Gene:
Acts 7:59 And they stoned Stephen, CALLING UPON GOD, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit. 60 And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep.
Eccl 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
Me: Stephen kneeled down on both knees and called upon Christ and worshipped him as God. The spirit went back to the Word in the OT who was to become the Messiah in the NT.
You: Jodi and I both bow our knee to Jesus as our lord, to the “GLORY OF GOD”, our and his Father.
Gene:
Isa 45:23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
Rom 14:10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. 11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
Me: The same Word that was God in the OT is the same God who became one with the seed of David in John 1:14.
John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the (me:3686 character) of the only begotten Son of God.
3686. onoma
Usage: name, character, fame, reputation.
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Col 2:9 For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form,TC….WHER DID I say we can’t worship Jesus, we do honor JESUS, “to the Glory of God”. That is far cry from worshiping Jesus “as” a God. That means we understand that THE FATHER was with the “man” Jesus . GOD was certanily “present’ “in” Jesus, but none of that ever made Jesus HIMSELF, GOD THAT WAS “IN”HIM. There in lies your problem you are unable to see that God the father was truly “in” the man Jesus, via the anointing Spirit that fell upon him when he was baptized, which scriptures plain show. But Jesus being one with God, never ever made him the God that was “in” him.
Here is how you see it, Thomas said my lord and my God , you see that as one being the man Jesus . We on the other hand do not see Jesus as the God that was “in” him, we read it like this our lord (Jesus ) “and” our God as present “in” him, via the holy anointing Spirit that was on him. If Thomas was calling Jesus his God, He would have said it like this, “my lord God”, he would not have used the word “and” there.
You can’t say , that the Father was “in” Jesus doing the works, like what Jesus said, can you? Because you believe Your God Jesus was doing his own works. Nor can you say this GOD WAS “IN” CHRIST JESUS RECONCILING THE WORLD UNTO HIMSELF either. Why because you refuse to understand GOD THE Father was truly in the man Jesus. And he was tabernacling with Jesus in His body, reckoning as a temple, which he (God) would raise up from the Grave.
So we can say “if the spirit that raised Jesus from the dead dwells “in” you, he (God) that raise up Christ, Shall also quicken (bring back to life) your “mortal (dead) body.” You see we can say that, and really mean it, can you?
Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene
Hi Gene
You said: just a man” I have never said that, nor has Jodi. You seem to not have any fear to lie, about what people say, but then again if you believe and worship Jesus as your God , you have bought into the biggest LIE ever told, so what else could be expected of you.
Me: So you agree with me , that Jesus Christ didn’t have any biological connection to any human, and if He would have He couldn’t have made Atonement for us. Yes or no
And there’s all kinds of scriptures showing that Jesus Christ was worshiped.
I think your the lier, because you believe we’re just like Him and He’s just like us. And He wasn’t born the Messiah,
Your cult.
God bless 🙏
Anthony, what I said has nothing to do with Jesus not having a biological connection with any human, he sure did have.
Why not just start to believe what Jesus himself said, instead of trying to skip around things? HEAR THE WORDS OF JESUS, “I AM THE ROOT AND OFFSPRING OF king David”. NOW, do you think from that, he had no biological connection with man?
Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
Gene
Gene your not a very good thinker, to believe as you do Gene you would have to believe that He had a biological connection to some Human, David, Joseph, Abraham, Adam, because you believe He’s just a man just like you. Born in sin because of the offense one, Adam. But you know Jesus Christ had no sin. God was with us, and you rejected Him. Thomas said: My God.
God bless
Hi TC,
YOU:
YOU: The Messiah was not like us in every way or he would have sinned because sin and death would have been in his flesh.
ME: The Messiah was anointed with God’s Spirit such is what Messiah means anointed, he was a man just like us, but God CALLED him to righteousness, God anointed him with His Spirit without measure.
RECALL TC Isaiah’s prophecy, APPLY it to your understanding,
Isaiah 42:6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;
THINK on that passage TC, let’s discuss it. God calls him (the son of Jesse) to righteousness and KEEPS him to be the covenant, the covenant is a man who is without sin able to die for our sins. The son of Jesse was called to righteousness, it is through God’s Spirit in full measure upon a man that Jesus was kept from sin. THIS is the GOSPEL of GOD, it takes God’s Spirit to be righteous, we cannot follow the law by our own selves. Exactly WHY Jesus AFTER being baptized tells you that only God is good, that he can do nothing of himself.
YOU: Our bodies will become like his, not his became like ours.
ME: Yes our bodies become like his. But first he had a body JUST like ours. The body of Jesus was born as a mortal with weak flesh able to be tempted, he had to overcome, not follow his own flesh, he was able to overcome through God being with him, through God sharing His Spirit in in full measure.
TC do you know of any MORTAL MAN, as Jesus was, who had received the fullness of God’s Spirit? No, he was and will forever be the only mortal man who God gave His glory to, such makes him the “only begotten Son” for those who are led FULLY by the Spirit of God without missing a mark, are the Sons of God. He is the ONLY MORTAL MAN we can speak of. But guess what, we are promised to receive that fullness of God’s Spirit also, if we indeed have unity of faith that the Son of God is the perfect man, unto the measure and stature of the fullness of Christ (an anointing of God’s Spirit)
Because he condemned sin in the flesh, remained without sin upon God’s calling of him to righteousness, he was not worthy of death, and his flesh was not worthy of decay. RECALL TC 1 Corninthians 15 which I have spoken of numerous times, the body of Jesus was raised in glory, raised in power, raised incorruptible. His resurrection is our resurrection directly according to Paul’s words. So yes, our bodies become like his resurrected body.
Anthony, I just quoted to you what Jesus himself said, he clearly said he is the root and “offspring” of King David. The question is, do you believe what Jesus himself said? You problem is you have turned over you mind to false teachers so long you have sold yourself to them. Sad Anthony, but you can always repent and I hope you do.
Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene
Hi Gene
My thoughts on Joseph being the biological Father as Jodi says.
Me:The judgment of death because of Adam’s sin was imputed to the entire human race.
“For as by one man’s disobedience [Adam’s sin] many were made sinners.”
Romans 5:19
It was not their own disobedience that made the many to be reckoned as sinners. Paul said it was Adam’s sin.Jesus Christ had a legal right through Joseph, Jesus Christ was Joseph adopted Son. Jesus Christ was God’s Son when He was conceived by the virgin Mary. The Word became the Son to die for the sins of the world. To put it plainly, Paul taught that all of us are sinful (initially) because we inherited sinful flesh from our first father, Adam.
Jodi to Me you’ll do and say anything to make Jesus Christ just a man, I don’t believe any of us is saying He wasn’t a man, see I believe He took on the form of a man. The Son Of God and The Son of Man speaks of the same person Jesus Christ, you neglect to see that. The Atonement speaks otherwise, that Jesus Christ was a biological son of Joseph or anyone.
The conception of Christ. When the Father caused His conception to occur in the womb of Mary (John 1:14), it was not Mary’s physical ovum that was engendered to cause Christ to become “flesh.” Christ became the seed of Mary (the woman of prophecy) by means of a heavenly-created ovum placed in Mary’s womb, which was then impregnated by the Spirit. Everything about Christ’s conception was spiritual and had nothing to do with the uniting of a human sperm with a human ovum.
The ovum impregnated by the Spirit was not from Mary’s ovum. Mary was actually a surrogate mother to Christ Jesus and neither her ovum nor Joseph’s sperm created Him. The fetus that grew in Mary’s womb was NOT a descendant of Adam and Eve (it would have inherited sin), but from a sinless God in heaven.
Likewise, that fetus of Jesus was sinless, as God in heaven is sinless. The fetus of itself was NOT YET Christ Jesus bearing the sins of the world because that fetus did NOT have sins on it. But as soon as that fetus became a living human being at its birth, a“living soul” breathing air into its lungs, that baby then had all the sins of the world placed on His back.
This means that Christ did not inherit any of Adam’s sins, but He came directly from heaven; the sperm and ovum that created Christ were heavenly in origin, not from Adam or Eve or Joseph or Mary. True, as surrogate parents, Christ was legally Joseph’s and Mary’s son (as far as the world was concerned and as far as prophetic matters require), but His origin was totally heavenly. He came from heaven where He had been for the previous eons reigning with the Father (Philippians 2:6–11). The fact that Christ was considered Joseph’s and Mary’s child (or being David’s progeny) was a legal recognition by God. However, even God’s legal acceptance is a true recognition of Christ’s descent from David. We been through this before Gene. If you actually believe that Jesus Christ had a biological human father your not playing with a full deck. He had a legal Jewish standing with Joseph, the blood line goes through the male not the woman, Joseph was His stepfather, no more no less, His Father is God. YAHWEH Elohim.
God bless
Anthony, just answer the question , do you believe what Jesus said, I am the root and offspring of king David. No need to go all around the place to answer a simple question. Do you believe what Jesus says, why do you work so hard to get around so many thing he says, and feel you must add all kinds of things to them?
Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
Hi Gene
You said: do you believe what Jesus said, I am the root and offspring of king David.
Me: yes, but this doesn’t proof that Jesus Christ had a biological connection to David or Joseph or any human. Jesus Christ had a legal connection only. Now answer my question.
Me: do you believe that God was with us. ” Emanuel”
Yes or no please
God bless
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