Why is Jesus called the second Adam if you say he came from Adam???

[Jodi]

Hi Ed J,

YOU:

Who’s sperm are you assuming God created to have Mary conceive?

1. David’s
2. Joeseph’s
3. Someone else’s?

ME: Joseph’s

1 The book of the generation (GENESIS) of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham. 2 Abraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat Judas and his brethren;….16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ. 17 So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations.

John is giving us the GENESIS of Jesus, the blood of the one who had God’s Spirit rest upon, an anointing, who was sent out into the world, died on the cross, who John knew was sitting at God’s right hand when he wrote down this GENESIS of his savior.

Matthew 1:20  But while he was contemplating this step, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, “Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to bring home your wife Mary, for she is with child through the Holy Spirit.

We are directly given that the Genesis of Jesus comes through Joseph, she was conceived through the power of the Holy Spirit.

[Jodi]

Hi Ed J,

YOU:

YOU:8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
Ok Jodi,

1 How are you definining the word “perfect”, and
2 when are you proclaiming Jesus was made “perfect” then?

ME: Great question Ed J!

The word perfect,

Teleioo-

to make perfect, complete
to carry through completely, to accomplish, finish, bring to an end

As a Son Jesus being fully led by the Spirit could not sin, God was holding his hand and keeping him from following his own will and indulging into any temptation that came to him.

Jesus was made perfect by LEARNING obedience. Perfection thus is established through being TAUGHT by God and reaching a point where your Master, your Shepard believes you have completed that which your Master wanted you to accomplish.  

What did God want Jesus to learn and to accomplish through his obedience? What can we learn from his obedience, what do we see that he accomplished?

Jesus, as well as us, learned just how powerful God’s Spirit is when it is working in a man. That God’s Spirit can help a mortal man overcome even the fear of death, it creates that much faith in God, faith in God to serve God over serving the flesh, a point where the flesh is tempted the most in the fear of death, the fear that we are told has had men all their life subjected into bondage. Jesus BROKE that bondage.

 

[Jodi]

To add to my above post,

What God wanted the mortal Jesus to accomplish through having been called to righteousness with God’s Spirit resting upon him being fully led by God’s Spirit to follow God’s will, WAS TO CONDEMN SIN IN THE FLESH. 

Such is exactly what Jesus did, and it is exactly WHY God had promised David that the FLESH of his son would not see decay, that flesh had condemned sin from existing in the flesh. THAT FLESH was deserving of eternal life. 

[Jodi]

Sin equals death, if there is flesh with no sin as sin has been condemned in it, that flesh DOES not deserve death it deserves LIFE.

1 Corinthians 15:38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body. 39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds. 40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. 41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory. 42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

[GeneBalthrop]

Jodi…..Yes, and everyone of those “bodies mentioned there are “physical” bodies, just as our bodies will be resurected and very in Glory, as the stars in the heavens very in glory.  we are buried in weakness and raised in power and “glory” .  

Rom 8:23….And not only they, But ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wittness the redemption of our “body”.

But these  false teachers deny that it is a physical body that is resurected.  They believe we will be spirits floating around without physical  bodies. Because they think the word “spritual” body, means a spirit body,  when spirits have no physical bodies.

Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene

[Ed J]

Hi Ed J,

YOU:

Who’s sperm are you assuming God created to have Mary conceive?

1. David’s
2. Joeseph’s
3. Someone else’s?

ME: Joseph’s

Thank you!

[Ed J]

1 How are you definining the word “perfect”, and
2 when are you proclaiming Jesus was made “perfect” then?

Hi Jodi,

Thank you for answering part 1 to my question!

Now would you be so kind as to also answer part 2 ?

[Jodi]

Hi Ed J,

Your welcome!

I did reply to your other question it is a few posts up,

MAY 29, 2019 AT 2:15 PM#845743

I will give a brief recap,

Jesus was made perfect learning obedience by suffering, perfection came through being taught by God. 

Perfect represents Jesus having fulfilled that which God had sent the mortal Jesus to do, condemn sin in the flesh. He was given the ultimate test of proving his service is to God and not the flesh, by suffering on the cross he was tempted, as the fear of death has kept all men in bondage to serve the flesh. He overcame destroying that bondage and thus was made perfect. 

God had said that the son of David would fulfill all of God’s will, the mortal Jesus accomplished exactly that, which God knew he would before time began on earth, as it was God’s will.  God knows the power of His Spirit and that which it can accomplish in a man. Perfection is a process where one has to receive the Spirit from God, be led by God, be TAUGHT by God.

 

[Ed J]

Hi Jodi,

2 when are you proclaiming Jesus was made “perfect” ?

Please tell me when exactly.

I say he was made “perfect” at his conception. When say you?

His last act of obidence was when he finally agreed to go to the cross,
is that when you say he was finally perfected?

[GeneBalthrop]

Edj….. Jesus had to be a ordinary human being at birth, he was not perfected at birth or how could he  “learn” obedience by by the things he suffered?  He grew in favor, and in stature, and in knowledge,  all the things we do. God was with him even at birth, like this, “the LORD bless you and keep you, the LORD make his face shine upon you and be gracious unto you, the LORD lift up his countinounce upon you and give you peace”,  Jesus was God’s plan to redeem mankind through having a man exactly like us who was kept by God from sinning, but none the less a real SON OF MANKIND, who would obey and follow God’s will, in every thing he did.  A real Son of Man , who never sinned, that could qualify to take away our sin, by paying for them , with his own life.  It was a work of God from start to finish.  God couldn’t just forgive us without a payment being made, because it would go against his justice for sins. There had to be a payment to be made inorder to clear us from the penalty of “eternal” death.  THE “MAN” Jesus paid it. 

Jesus had to be one of us humans, in fact “exactly” like us in “every” way, except without sin. Jesus told us we have to overcome even as  he did, inorder for us to be in his kingdom. So he certanily wasn’t born perfect, he had to grow and overcome, like he tell us to.

Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene

[Jodi]

Hi Ed J,

8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; 9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

THIS is when he was MADE perfect learning obedience going to the cross. 

As given earlier the word perfect represents “completion”

The word perfect,

Teleioo-

to make perfect, complete
to carry through completely, to accomplish, finish, bring to an end.

What did Jesus accomplish on the cross? He Condemned sin in the flesh, he was tempted by weak mortal flesh and it’s bondage because of the natural fear it has of death, and he overcame it, trusting in God over the flesh. For God’s Spirit in full measure leads a man to be perfected, completed. 

Jesus was being taught by God, God is his Master, God is his Shepard , and God declares when it is that His Lamb is COMPLETE, has accomplished that which God wanted him to learn. Jesus didn’t miss a mark, he condemned sin in the flesh.

 

[Jodi]

Hi Gene,

Excellent post! They do not understand that it is God’s Spirit working in a human PERIOD. They want to make Jesus into some special one of a kind different being then us that had to come down and morph into flesh to save us.

They speak deceit, they tell us they believe he was a man, but in all actuality they fully deny it.

I suppose they would tell us that they believe he is the firstborn of the dead of many brethren also, but they clearly deny this as well when they teach that he had RETURNED to his former glory they believed he had.

You don’t have it both ways, you don’t become the first man to receive eternal life, the first of many brothers and sisters, but also you are returning to eternal life that you had before.  Instead of applying clear truth they deny it and interpret many passages wrong creating lies against the clear truth.

The END is where God is ALL in ALL, where the firstborn of the dead brings his brothers and sisters to be an heir of God like he is an heir of God, that we may be glorified together.

The END is that a Son of Man is returning, this END was declared FROM the beginning.

Just amazes me that they deny who it is that is returning when it is clearly given, and they deny that this MAN was declared before the world was, just like eternal life was declared before the world was, all IN God’s word, His promises before the world was. Jesus received exactly what God’s WORD had promised before time on earth began, and we are to receive the same. 

[Ed J]

Hi Ed J,

8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; 9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

THIS is when he was MADE perfect learning obedience going to the cross.

Jodi,

You appear to keep missing my point, Jesus couldn’t have fully learn to be obedient
to God’s will until just before he went to the cross… Here are the references:

”And he said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me:
nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt.” (Mark 14:36)

”And he was withdrawn from them about a stone’s cast, and kneeled down,
and prayed, Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me:
nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.” (Luke 22:41-42)

THEN ACCORDING TO YOU JESUS COULD NOT HAVE BEEN FULLY MADE PERFECT
UNTIL AT THE POINT HE AGREED TO GO TO THE CROSS

Do you agree with this observation of your view or not? Please answer, ok?

”the things which he suffered; And being made perfect”

Or maybe you believe he was made perfect after he died?

Because he didn’t suffer from the crucifixion until AFTER
Which is it? Please tell me EXACTLY when you believe he was made perfect?

I hope you finally understand my question, because I really do want
to understand what you believe.So please answer my question this time.

Thank you!

____________
God bless
Ed J

[Ed J]

Hi Ed J,

8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; 9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

THIS is when he was MADE perfect learning obedience going to the cross.

Jodi,

You appear to keep missing my point, Jesus couldn’t have fully learn to be obedient
to God’s will until just before he went to the cross… Here are the references:

”And he said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me:
nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt.” (Mark 14:36)

”And he was withdrawn from them about a stone’s cast, and kneeled down,
and prayed, Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me:
nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.” (Luke 22:41-42)

THEN ACCORDING TO YOU JESUS COULD NOT HAVE BEEN FULLY MADE PERFECT
UNTIL AT THE POINT HE AGREED TO GO TO THE CROSS

Do you agree with this observation of your view or not? Please answer, ok?

”the things which he suffered; And being made perfect”

Or maybe you believe he was made perfect after he died?

Because he didn’t suffer from the crucifixion until AFTER
Which is it? Please tell me EXACTLY when you believe he was made perfect?

I hope you finally understand my question, because I really do want
to understand what you believe.So please answer my question this time.

Thank you!

____________
God bless
Ed J

[Ed J]

Jodi,

You appear to keep missing my point, Jesus couldn’t have fully learn to be obedient
to God’s will until just before he went to the cross… Here are the references:

”And he said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me:
nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt.” (Mark 14:36)

”And he was withdrawn from them about a stone’s cast, and kneeled down,
and prayed, Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me:
nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.” (Luke 22:41-42)

THEN ACCORDING TO YOU JESUS COULD NOT HAVE BEEN FULLY MADE PERFECT
UNTIL AT THE POINT HE AGREED TO GO TO THE CROSS

Do you agree with this observation of your view or not? Please answer, ok?

”the things which he suffered; And being made perfect”

Or maybe you believe he was made perfect after he died?

Because he didn’t suffer from the crucifixion until AFTER
Which is it? Please tell me EXACTLY when you believe he was made perfect?

I hope you finally understand my question, because I really do want
to understand what you believe. So please answer my question this time.

Thank you!

____________
God bless
Ed J

[Ed J]

Jodi,

You appear to keep missing my point, Jesus couldn’t have fully learn to be obedient
to God’s will until just before he went to the cross… Here are the references:

”And he said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me:
nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt.” (Mark 14:36)

”And he was withdrawn from them about a stone’s cast, and kneeled down,
and prayed, Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me:
nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.” (Luke 22:41-42)

THEN ACCORDING TO YOU JESUS COULD NOT HAVE BEEN FULLY MADE PERFECT
UNTIL AT THE POINT HE AGREED TO GO TO THE CROSS

Do you agree with this observation of your view or not? Please answer, ok?

”the things which he suffered; And being made perfect”

Or maybe you believe he was finally made perfect as he died?

Because he didn’t suffer from the crucifixion until he did
Which is it?
Tell me EXACTLY when you believe he was made perfect?

I hope you finally understand my question, because I really do want
to understand what you believe.So please answer my question this time.

Thank you!

____________
God bless
Ed J

[Ed J]

Jodi,

You appear to keep missing my point, Jesus couldn’t have fully learn to be obedient
to God’s will until just before he went to the cross… Here are the references:

”And he said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me:
nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt.” (Mark 14:36)

”And he was withdrawn from them about a stone’s cast, and kneeled down,
and prayed, Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me:
nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.” (Luke 22:41-42)

THEN ACCORDING TO YOU JESUS COULD NOT HAVE BEEN FULLY MADE PERFECT
UNTIL AT THE POINT HE AGREED TO GO TO THE CROSS

Do you agree with this observation of your view or not? Please answer, ok?

”the things which he suffered; And being made perfect”

Or maybe you believe he was made perfect after he died?

Because he didn’t suffer from the crucifixion until AFTER
Which is it? Please tell me EXACTLY when you believe he was made perfect?

I hope you finally understand my question, because I really do want
to understand what you believe.So please answer my question this time.

Thank you!

____________
God bless
Ed J

[Ed J]

Jodi,

You appear to keep missing my point, Jesus couldn’t have fully learn to be obedient
to God’s will until just before he went to the cross… Here are the references:

”And he said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me:
nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt.” (Mark 14:36)

”And he was withdrawn from them about a stone’s cast, and kneeled down,
and prayed, Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me:
nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.” (Luke 22:41-42)

THEN ACCORDING TO YOU JESUS COULD NOT HAVE BEEN FULLY MADE PERFECT
UNTIL AT THE POINT HE AGREED TO GO TO THE CROSS

Do you agree with this observation of your view or not? Please answer, ok?

”the things which he suffered; And being made perfect”

Or maybe you believe he was made perfect after he died?

Because he didn’t suffer from the crucifixion until AFTER
Which is it? Please tell me EXACTLY when you believe he was made perfect?

I hope you finally understand my question, because I really do want
to understand what you believe.So please answer my question this time.

Thank you!

____________
God bless
Ed J

[Ed J]

Jodi,

You appear to keep missing my point, Jesus couldn’t have fully learn to be obedient
to God’s will until just before he went to the cross… Here are the references:

”And he said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me:
nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt.” (Mark 14:36)

”And he was withdrawn from them about a stone’s cast, and kneeled down,
and prayed, Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me:
nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.” (Luke 22:41-42)

THEN ACCORDING TO YOU JESUS COULD NOT HAVE BEEN FULLY MADE PERFECT
UNTIL AT THE POINT HE AGREED TO GO TO THE CROSS

Do you agree with this observation of your view or not? Please answer, ok?

”the things which he suffered; And being made perfect”

Or maybe you believe he was made perfect after he died?

Because he didn’t suffer from the crucifixion until AFTER
Which is it? Please tell me EXACTLY when you believe he was made perfect?

I hope you finally understand my question, because I really do want
to understand what you believe. So please answer my question this time.

Thank you!

____________
God bless
Ed J

[Ed J]

Gene, Maybe you are right, maybe you really don’t have a “Free Will”!
You’re just being a clanking bell – repeating your dogmas over and over.

“Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity,
I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.” (1 Corinthians 13:1)
Interact by answering my questions, if you want me to take you seriously

Really Gene ………………………….. Ed J

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