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ANTHONY, if you don’t see Jesus as a fellow flesh human being , you simply don’t see him. IMO. By the was Anthony, where did I say he was “just” a man, it is you who deny he was a real human being , trying to make him out to be a God. In that you deny his flesh existence, and put yourself in the position of an Antichrist. I completely believe he was aand is a flesh human being and he “had” to be anointed inorder to become the Messiah of God. you remove his human roots I do not. I believe he is and was the root and offspring of king David, just as he said he is and was. REV 22:16.
I believe the son of man, will return and set up the kingdom of his father King David.
Mat 24:39, and verse 44, Mat 25:13, Mar 2:10, Mar 8:38, Mar 10:45, Mar *13:26 , Luk 12:8, Luk 12:40, Luk 17:22, Luk 17:22, Luk 17:24, “and on and on it Goes, but you people refuse to believe what Jesus, says concerning himself . This all just a waste of time, why not just study those verses, and come back and tell us Jesus will not come back as a “Son of Man”.
Anothny If you were of God you would understand those scriptures , they are clear, why not study them?, for a change, and come back and tell us what Jesus “actually” says concerning “himself”. He is a “son of Man” , just like we are and will return as such. That is if you actually believe Jesus, as you put on to.
Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene
So when you say Jesus “is” the word who came , you have to be saying “he” himself is not a flesh being, hence denying him coming into his “true existence” as a flesh person, just like we are.
Hi Gene,
You repeating your words over and over again doesn’t mean anything to anyone except yourself
He sits in his own echo chamber listening to himself only. Then he found Jodi who teaches similar to himself and now he feels vindicated and empowered.
T8….You again are “lying” about me, I have been here for over ten years and have seen others come and go here who say the same thing I am saying, I also will agree with anyone who has the truth of God in them, all those who are being taught by God will agree with all those lead by the Spirit of truth.
Edj, I may be repeating myself, but so do you people also. T8 has been saying the same things since I have been here, so I gess he is sitting in his own echo chamber also, he is good at accusing others who disagree with him and if that doesn’t work he simply kicks them off, like he did brother NICK and others also, including me once.
Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene
Hi All,
John 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
Me: The Messiah’s mind is in perfect sync with his father’s. Christ has his own will, and that will is to follow his father’s will, because his mind is the exact expression of his Father’s mind. He is the Word or expression of his Father from birth. He also has a human side of his mind that grew in it’s bond with his spirit mind.
Luke 2:40 And the CHILD GREW and waxed STRONG IN THE SPIRIT, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him.
Me: This was before Jordan. Christ’s human aspect of his mind grew in it’s bond with the express image of God’s mind (the Word of God) IN HIM. He had done his father’s work even at the age of 12 (Luke 2:40-49). By the time he was an adult, his father was well pleased with him.
Luke 3:22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased. 23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age.
Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the WORD of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
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Col 1:9 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him,New American Standard Bible
Col 2:9 For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form.John 14:9 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
1 Peter 1:3 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the Word of God (Christ), which liveth and abideth for ever.
Col 1:3 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
Me: Righteous sons of God can only be created by adoption through Christ—by the baptism of the holy spirit—one by one. We are NOT sons of God by ancestry or directly through the Father. . King David became a son of God through Christ by Christ’s resurrection form the dead, not through his human ancestry.
Matt 22:42 Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The Son of David. 43 He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying, 43 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool? 43 If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?
Me: We become the sons of God through putting on Christ. David is God’s son through Christ by the baptism of the holy spirit.
Hi Gene,
You repeating your words over and over again doesn’t mean anything to anyone except yourself
Edj, I may be repeating myself, but so do you people also. T8 has been saying the same things since I have been here, so I gess he is sitting in his own echo chamber also, he is good at accusing others who disagree with him and if that doesn’t work he simply kicks them off, like he did brother NICK and others also, including me once.
Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene
Hi Gene,
If you would engage in conversation by answering my questions I would feel differently. But you only toot your own horn
Hi Gene,
You repeating your words over and over again doesn’t mean anything to anyone except yourself
Edj, I may be repeating myself, but so do you people also. T8 has been saying the same things since I have been here, so I gess he is sitting in his own echo chamber also, he is good at accusing others who disagree with him and if that doesn’t work he simply kicks them off, like he did brother NICK and others also, including me once.
Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene
Hi Gene,
If you would engage in conversation by attempting to answer my questions like Jodi does I would feel differently about you. But all you do is toot your own horn repeating over and over how right you are. But how can any one else see if you are right or not if you don’t engage what they are saying. Maybe you really don’t have a “FREE WILL”
Hi Gene
You said: ANTHONY, if you don’t see Jesus as a fellow flesh human being , you simply don’t see him. IMO. By the was Anthony, where did I say he was “just” a man, it is you who deny he was a real human being , trying to make him out to be a God. In that you deny his flesh existence, and put yourself in the position of an Antichrist
Me: No Gene you got it all wrong, I believe that Jesus Christ laid aside His Glory and took on the form of man, I believe the His Father prepared a body for Him. I believe He had flesh and dwell among man and that His father sent Him,The Word. He was raised with a physical body and then a spiritual body and went back to His Father to pay the price for us with His Blood.
I don’t think you believe any of that so look in the mirror and see anti-Christ because your the one don’t believe He came in the flesh,and you don’t believe He was the Messiah when He came. What you believe is one of the biggest lies, the He was just a man. Look at my post, look at the scriptures I sent. I can’t help it if you don’t believe that He was Emmanuel,God with us.
God bless
I think you need Jesus 🙏
Hi Ed J,
YOU:
You have a dilemma with your ordinary Jesus belief (How do you explain this?)…
John 17:5
“And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.”ME: I’d like you to first ask yourself Ed J, what is the glory that Jesus received? Can you find it in scripture or is it a hidden mystery?
Second, ask yourself if the oath God swore to David had been an oath that had been with Him before heaven and earth was created? Or did God just make things up as He went, and He is a liar who didn’t actually establish the end (new beginning that brings us righteousness and eternal life) before the first beginning was established (sin and death)?
The glory of Jesus is that he is the firstborn of the dead of many brethren. (Romans 8:29)
Jesus was raised up, as we shall be raised up, in power, in glory, incorruptible. Unlike us, his flesh wasn’t allowed to see decay it became incorruptible beforehand. (1 Corinthians 15 and Acts 2)
The glory of Jesus is that he is the Son of Man who God had promised to David that He would “crown him with glory and honour”, that God made this man “to have dominion over the works of His hands”, that God “put all things under his feet”
The glory of Jesus is that he was MADE perfect BECOMING our source for eternal salvation.
The glory of Jesus is that he is an heir of God and we are joint heirs with him of God.
All this glory for THIS human had been with God in the beginning, it was His oath, His word of which God had created the world through and FOR.
God’s WORD, has yet to be completed, it is still WITH Him, He hasn’t forgotten it, if he had we might be inclined to lose our faith. Jesus said “only the Father knows the day and hour”, and God will give that WORD to His Son, and His Son will fulfill it!!
Hi Ed J,
ME:God’s creation tells you that to be a HUMAN of which Jesus is called multiple time means that you are made from a human male sperm and a human female egg united together. You cannot be an actual man or huMAN if these TWO are not joined together,
Hi Jodi,YOU: Your belief seems to be at odds with these Scripture. How do you account for this?
Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
Matthew 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
ME: The LORD’s sign is for the house of David, so that they know that God keeps His promises, and that promise you can read of both in the OT and NT.
2 Samuel 7:12 And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. 13 He shall build an house for my name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom for ever.
Acts 13:22 And when he had removed him, he raised up unto them David to be their king; to whom also he gave testimony, and said, I have found David the son of Jesse, a man after mine own heart, which shall fulfil all my will.23 Of this man’s seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus:
Matthew 1:18 the word OF is “ek” which MEANS — out of, from, by, away from
A virgin became pregnant through the power of God’s Spirit, how else could a virgin become pregnant back then?..certainly not by invetro fertilization.
Mary gave birth to a HUMAN an anthropos, she gave birth to the offspring of Abraham, Jesse and David, just as God had promised.
Hi Jody,
So you claim John 17:5 is wrong? What do you say it ‘should’ say then?
John 17:5
“And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.”Jody, I’m not interested in you explaining what you believe other versus mean, or what you believe the Bible means in general. Please explain only John 17:5 to us all, as it appears to be contradicting what you’re telling us you believe.
Thank you,
Ed JHi Ed J,
I absolutely believe in every word given in John 17 and I CORRECTLY apply it to the sum of God’s words!
Isaiah 46:9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me, 10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure: 11 Calling a ravenous bird from the east, the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass; I have purposed it, I will also do it. 12 Hearken unto me, ye stouthearted, that are far from righteousness: 13 I bring near my righteousness; it shall not be far off, and my salvation shall not tarry: and I will place salvation in Zion for Israel my glory.
Before the world was, God had established promises, IN God’s word was the Son of Man, and IN that word that Son of Man HAD GLORY.
The person speaking in John 17 Ed J, IS THAT SON of MAN, and he knew full well the glory that the Son of Man had with God before the world was. Jesus believed God’s PROMISE was true.
Acts 2:32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33 Therefore being by the right hand of God EXALTED, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
34 And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David.
John 17:2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. 3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. 4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. 5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and GLORY.”
Ed J, it was God’s word before the world was to be mindful of a man, to visit him, to then “crown him with glory and honor”.
Can you please tell me what the glory is that you believe Jesus had before the world was, that he then lost and received again?
I feel this passage might come up so I would like to go ahead and bring it up,
2 Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be like minded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind. 3 Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves. 4 Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others. 5 Let this MIND be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
“I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things”
“The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do”
” Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:”
The WHO below is speaking of Jesus while he was on earth and had received all the powers of God’s Spirit able to perform signs and miracles, with those powers he was equal to God, he was in the form of God, but he did not use those powers for himself but was a servant.
6 Who, being in the form of God, THOUGHT it not robbery to be equal with God:
RECALL Paul is giving the THOUGHTS of Jesus so that others can know how it is they are to be like minded with him. Paul is speaking to men also receiving powers of God’s Spirit who are being sent out to perform signs and miracles.
7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
Though he had all those powers, he wouldn’t even use them to save himself from dying on the cross, he was an OBEDIENT servant.
You have a man anointed, given all God’s powers.
He is in likeness of men, he is in the fashion of a man, able to be tempted like all men.
Having all that power and still able to be tempted. Where there is power there is greater temptation, where there is suffering there is greater temptation, but he was OBEDIENT. As the people ridiculed him after seeing him perform all those signs and miracles, telling him to save himself from the cross, he instead HUMBLED himself.
9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
WHY is it to the glory of God the Father?
BECAUSE God called Jesus to righteousness where God held his hand and kept him from indulging in temptation, so he would be OBEDIENT, able to fulfill the covenant.
Hi Ed J and t8,
God’s creation tells you that to be a HUMAN of which Jesus is called multiple time means that you are made from a human male sperm and a human female egg united together. You cannot be an actual man or huMAN if these TWO are not joined together,Hi Jodi,
Your belief seems to be at odds with these Scripture. How do you account for this?
Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
Matthew 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
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God bless
Ed JJodi?
Hi Jody,
So you claim John 17:5 is wrong? What do you say it ‘should’ say then?
John 17:5
“And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.”Jody, I’m not interested in you explaining what you believe other versus mean, or what you believe the Bible means in general. Please explain only John 17:5 to us all, as it appears to be contradicting what you’re telling us you believe.
Thank you,
Ed JBefore the world was, God had established promises, IN God’s word was the Son of Man, and IN that word that Son of Man HAD GLORY.
The person speaking in John 17 Ed J, IS THAT SON of MAN, and he knew full well the glory that the Son of Man had with God before the world was. Jesus believed God’s PROMISE was true.
Hi Jodi,
So the Glory he had was in the form of “a promise”, is this what you are claiming?
Hi Jodi,
So far, so good. I’m engoying our conversation.
Thank you so much for enguaging me!
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God bless
Ed JHi Ed J,
YOU:
Hi Jodi,
Your belief seems to be at odds with these Scripture. How do you account for this?
Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
Matthew 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
ME: The context of the virgin birth, as to why God wants to give a sign to the house of David, is because they feared that someone from another tribe was going to take the kingdom. This was upsetting to God as they did not believe His WORD of which He spoke to David long ago concerning David’s son, which was that he was going to receive an eternal kingdom. This son of David God was going to MAKE into His own Son. As Isaiah tells us later after chapter 7 he was going to be anointed and sent out to preach God’s word and fulfill all of God’s will. Through this man of the seed of David, God would be with us, as Jesus would do all that God wanted him to do for our sake.
In Matthew, the word “of” is ek meaning , out of, from, by, away from
Mary was found with child from, or by, or out of, the power of the Holy Spirit.
My beliefs line up perfectly.
Edj….Emanuel, was a “name” given a son of Isaiah, which was a “sign” given to the king of Judah, to show him that God was “with him”. It was never meant the person with that name himself was GOD. Jesus was also a “sign” from GOD, that GOD is “with us”. HE was “in” THE MAN JESUS, via the Holy Spirit, reconciling the world unto himself. But none of that ever made Jesus, God himself.
But this is a good example of how you people twist scriptures to try to make them say what in fact do not say..
Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene
Hi Ed J,
Me:
“I absolutely believe in every word given in John 17 and I CORRECTLY apply it to the sum of God’s words!”
Your response was:
“So you claim John 17:5 is wrong? What do you say it ‘should’ say then?”
“I’m not interested in you explaining what you believe other versus mean, or what you believe the Bible means in general.”
ME: So Ed J, this is what you are telling me from your response,
I say something and then you say I believe the opposite of what I just directly said. You just want to play games here.
According to your response there would be no such thing as placing a verse in the context of the surrounding passages.
According to your response when you read a scripture you are not to apply it to what you know from other scriptures, and use those other passages to support your claim.
Your motto is to not apply God’s word with God’s word, but instead ignore all that you know and pretend you are ignorant and use your own imagination when reading a passage.
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