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  • #329813
    Wakeup
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    THE PICTURE.

    To be able to put the dots together to form the true picture,we must know what the picture should look like.

    If the picture in the mind is not the right one,it will not match the bits(scriptures); therefore it is so hard to unerstand the most simple of scripture.

    What to do? Just put aside the old picture for a while, and adopt the new picture,and match it up with the scriptures.Then you can make up your mind which one is the true picture.

    So if you are willing to do that then you can compare which one is the true picture.

    Its worthed to try this,because it is a great treasure,that you have missed.

    THE BITS OF THE PUZZLE IS THE SCRIPTURES.
    It has to fit the picture perfectly,or its not the true picture.

    wakeup.

    #330100
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Wakeup,

    Matt 12:28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God,
    then the “Kingdom of GOD”  “IS”  come unto you.

    Matt 12:28 alone should be enough to convince you that kingdom of God is here:

    John 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive,      ←      ←      ←      ←      ←      ←        
     because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him;                                                                ↑
     for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.                                                                                                 ↑        
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    If Matt.12:28 isn't enough to convince you that the “kingdom of God”                                                            ↑
    is not off into future somewhere, then Luke 17:20-21 should                                                                       ↑      
    convince you that the “kingdom of God” is here now!
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    Luke 17:20-21 The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:                                                                 ↑
     Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold,                                                                                ↑
     the kingdom of God is within you.”  (see John 14:17)        →      →      →      →      →      →      →      →      →    

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #330148
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 26 2013,15:57)
    Hi Wakeup,

    Matt 12:28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God,
    then the “Kingdom of GOD”  “IS”  come unto you.

    Matt 12:28 alone should be enough to convince you that kingdom of God is here:

    John 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive,      ←      ←      ←      ←      ←      ←        
     because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him;                                                                ↑
     for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.                                                                                                 ↑        
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    If Matt.12:28 isn't enough to convince you that the “kingdom of God”                                                            ↑
    is not off into future somewhere, then Luke 17:20-21 should                                                                       ↑      
    convince you that the “kingdom of God” is here now!
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    Luke 17:20-21 The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:                                                                 ↑
     Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold,                                                                                ↑
     the kingdom of God is within you.”  (see John 14:17)        →      →      →      →      →      →      →      →      →    

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    EDj.

    If you have the complete picture;you can see the kingdom of God,in the picture of your mind.

    That picture will manifest at the coming,when the physical kingdom is set up, we will be the kings and priests.

    We are no kings and no priests at the moment.
    We have not received our reward,it is to come.

    Behold; I COME QUICKELY, AND MY REWARD IS WITH ME.

    HE IS COMING: HE HAS NOT COME YET.

    wakeup..

    #330150
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Wakeup,

    The “Kingdom of God” is spiritual and is set up.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #330152
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Wakeup,

    In Acts 1:3 Jesus is telling his Apostle things pertaining to Pentecost.
    Acts 1:3 To whom also he showed himself alive after his passion
    by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and
    speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God:

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #330153
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 24 2013,21:13)
    Just put aside the old picture for a while


    Looks like you are having trouble doing this.  :D

    #330157
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 27 2013,01:40)
    Hi Wakeup,

    The “Kingdom of God” is spiritual and is set up.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    EDj.

    Where are our kings and priests,and where is the new Jerusalem? Is it New york? London? Paris?

    Have you received your reward ED? NO
    Have you been given a spirit body? NO.
    Were you called before Christ? NO.
    Have you seen the prophesies fulfilled? NO.
    Is babylon destroyed? NO.
    Has knowledge covered the earth as the sea cover the earth? NO.

    Is pain and sufering no more, and peace on earth?.NO.
    Has the spears turned into pruning hooks? NO.
    Has the sword turned into plowshares? NO.
    Can the child play with the Bear? NO.
    Does the lion eat straw? NO.

    WHERE IS YOUR KINGDOM? NO KINGDOM.

    wakeup.

    #330158
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 27 2013,02:14)

    Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 27 2013,01:40)
    Hi Wakeup,

    The “Kingdom of God” is spiritual and is set up.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    EDj.

    Where are our kings and priests,and where is the new Jerusalem? Is it New  york? London? Paris?

    Have you received your reward ED? NO
    Have you been given a spirit body? NO.
    Were you called before Christ? NO.
    Have you seen the prophesies fulfilled? NO.
    Is babylon destroyed? NO.
    Has knowledge covered the earth as the sea cover the earth? NO.

    Is pain and sufering no more, and peace on earth?.NO.
    Has the spears turned into pruning hooks? NO.
    Has the sword turned into plowshares? NO.
    Can the child play with the Bear? NO.
    Does the lion eat straw? NO.

    WHERE IS YOUR KINGDOM? NO KINGDOM.

    wakeup.


    “And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep,
     all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.” (2 Peter 3:4)

    #330159
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Wakeup,

    “For they call themselves of the “Holy City”(117), and stay themselves upon the God of Israel;
     The “LORD of Hosts”(151) is his name. I have declared the former things from the beginning; and
     they went forth out of my mouth, and I showed them; I did them suddenly, and they came to pass.

     Because I knew that thou art obstinate, and thy neck is an iron sinew, and thy brow brass; I have
     even from the beginning declared it to thee; before it came to pass I showed it thee (ref. Rev.21:2):
     lest thou shouldest say, Mine idol hath done them, and my graven image, and my molten image, hath
     commanded them. Thou hast heard, see all this; and will not ye declare it?

     I have showed thee new things from this time, even hidden things, and thou didst not know them.
     They are created now, and not from the beginning; even before the day when thou
     heardest them not; lest thou shouldest say, Behold, I knew them.” (Isaiah 48:2-7)

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #330169
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 26 2013,21:14)

    Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 27 2013,01:40)
    Hi Wakeup,

    The “Kingdom of God” is spiritual and is set up.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    EDj.

    Where are our kings and priests,and where is the new Jerusalem? Is it New  york? London? Paris?

    Have you received your reward ED? NO
    Have you been given a spirit body? NO.
    Were you called before Christ? NO.
    Have you seen the prophesies fulfilled? NO.
    Is babylon destroyed? NO.
    Has knowledge covered the earth as the sea cover the earth? NO.

    Is pain and sufering no more, and peace on earth?.NO.
    Has the spears turned into pruning hooks? NO.
    Has the sword turned into plowshares? NO.
    Can the child play with the Bear? NO.
    Does the lion eat straw? NO.

    WHERE IS YOUR KINGDOM? NO KINGDOM.

    wakeup.


    WAKEUP

    almost all you say has been accomplished ,and still in progress

    so your answers should be mostly “YES”

    #330178
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 27 2013,02:17)

    Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 27 2013,02:14)

    Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 27 2013,01:40)
    Hi Wakeup,

    The “Kingdom of God” is spiritual and is set up.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    EDj.

    Where are our kings and priests,and where is the new Jerusalem? Is it New  york? London? Paris?

    Have you received your reward ED? NO
    Have you been given a spirit body? NO.
    Were you called before Christ? NO.
    Have you seen the prophesies fulfilled? NO.
    Is babylon destroyed? NO.
    Has knowledge covered the earth as the sea cover the earth? NO.

    Is pain and sufering no more, and peace on earth?.NO.
    Has the spears turned into pruning hooks? NO.
    Has the sword turned into plowshares? NO.
    Can the child play with the Bear? NO.
    Does the lion eat straw? NO.

    WHERE IS YOUR KINGDOM? NO KINGDOM.

    wakeup.


    “And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep,
     all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.” (2 Peter 3:4)


    EdJ.

    That is exactly what they were saying when Moses went up to the mountain. Where is Moses;he is not coming back,maybe he is dead,lets make us a god.

    Exactly what you are saying. Where is Jesus, it has been 2000yrs now;he is already come,lets make us another God. Our own doctrine,to fill up the gap,for they are asking us these questions.

    What happened to them that worship another God?
    They were all slaughtered, and the rest are lead to the promised land.

    This is a long story to continue.Watch for the coming.

    wakeup.

    #330214
    942767
    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 27 2013,02:14)

    Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 27 2013,01:40)
    Hi Wakeup,

    The “Kingdom of God” is spiritual and is set up.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    EDj.

    Where are our kings and priests,and where is the new Jerusalem? Is it New  york? London? Paris?

    Have you received your reward ED? NO
    Have you been given a spirit body? NO.
    Were you called before Christ? NO.
    Have you seen the prophesies fulfilled? NO.
    Is babylon destroyed? NO.
    Has knowledge covered the earth as the sea cover the earth? NO.

    Is pain and sufering no more, and peace on earth?.NO.
    Has the spears turned into pruning hooks? NO.
    Has the sword turned into plowshares? NO.
    Can the child play with the Bear? NO.
    Does the lion eat straw? NO.

    WHERE IS YOUR KINGDOM? NO KINGDOM.

    wakeup.


    Hi wakeup:

    The priesthood:

    Quote
    1Pe 2:1 ¶ Wherefore laying aside all malice, and all guile, and hypocrisies, and envies, and all evil speakings,  

    1Pe 2:2   As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:  

    1Pe 2:3   If so be ye have tasted that the Lord [is] gracious.  

    1Pe 2:4 ¶ To whom coming, [as unto] a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, [and] precious,  

    1Pe 2:5   Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.  

    1Pe 2:6   Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.  

    1Pe 2:7   Unto you therefore which believe [he is] precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,  

    1Pe 2:8   And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, [even to them] which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.  

    1Pe 2:9   But ye [are] a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:  

    New Jerusalem:

    Quote
    Mat 5:14   Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.  

    Quote
    Rev 3:12   Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, [which is] new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and my new name.  

    Love in Christ,
    Marty

    #330219
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 26 2013,09:14)
    EDj.

    Where are our kings and priests,and where is the new Jerusalem? Is it New  york? London? Paris?

    Have you received your reward ED? NO
    Have you been given a spirit body? NO.
    Were you called before Christ? NO.
    Have you seen the prophesies fulfilled? NO.
    Is babylon destroyed? NO.
    Has knowledge covered the earth as the sea cover the earth? NO.

    Is pain and sufering no more, and peace on earth?.NO.
    Has the spears turned into pruning hooks? NO.
    Has the sword turned into plowshares? NO.
    Can the child play with the Bear? NO.
    Does the lion eat straw? NO.

    WHERE IS YOUR KINGDOM? NO KINGDOM.

    wakeup.


    Good points, Wakeup. That pretty much says it all.

    #330220
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 26 2013,13:19)
    EdJ.

    That is exactly what they were saying when Moses went up to the mountain. Where is Moses;he is not coming back,maybe he is dead,lets make us a god.

    Exactly what you are saying. Where is Jesus, it has been 2000yrs now;he is already come,lets make us another God. Our own doctrine,to fill up the gap,for they are asking us these questions.

    What happened to them that worship another God?
    They were all slaughtered, and the rest are lead to the promised land.

    This is a long story to continue.Watch for the coming.


    Once again, very good points.

    #330228
    journey42
    Participant

    Ed wrote:

    [/quote]

    Quote
    Hi Wakeup,

    The “Kingdom of God” is spiritual and is set up.

    Hi Ed

    2 Corinthians 5:6   Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:

    If the kingdom is here already, then why are we absent from him?

    2 Corinthians 5:7   (For we walk by faith, not by sight:)

    This is why we walk by faith and not sight, we cannot see him with our eyes yet, only with our mind.  There will come a day when we will see him with our eyes also.

    #330229
    journey42
    Participant

    Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 27 2013,04:28)

    Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 26 2013,21:14)

    Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 27 2013,01:40)
    Hi Wakeup,

    The “Kingdom of God” is spiritual and is set up.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    EDj.

    Where are our kings and priests,and where is the new Jerusalem? Is it New  york? London? Paris?

    Have you received your reward ED? NO
    Have you been given a spirit body? NO.
    Were you called before Christ? NO.
    Have you seen the prophesies fulfilled? NO.
    Is babylon destroyed? NO.
    Has knowledge covered the earth as the sea cover the earth? NO.

    Is pain and sufering no more, and peace on earth?.NO.
    Has the spears turned into pruning hooks? NO.
    Has the sword turned into plowshares? NO.
    Can the child play with the Bear? NO.
    Does the lion eat straw? NO.

    WHERE IS YOUR KINGDOM? NO KINGDOM.

    wakeup.


    WAKEUP

    almost all you say has been accomplished ,and still in progress

    so your answers should be mostly “YES”


    Hi Pierre,

    Accomplished and in progress means two different things.

    #330231
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Journey42,

    Because we will not “physically” see Jesus until we are resurrected into his likeness.
    On a side note, I asked you a few questions in our thread and I'm awaiting your answer.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #330236
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (journey42 @ Jan. 27 2013,08:49)

    Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 27 2013,04:28)

    Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 26 2013,21:14)

    Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 27 2013,01:40)
    Hi Wakeup,

    The “Kingdom of God” is spiritual and is set up.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    EDj.

    Where are our kings and priests,and where is the new Jerusalem? Is it New  york? London? Paris?

    Have you received your reward ED? NO
    Have you been given a spirit body? NO.
    Were you called before Christ? NO.
    Have you seen the prophesies fulfilled? NO.
    Is babylon destroyed? NO.
    Has knowledge covered the earth as the sea cover the earth? NO.

    Is pain and sufering no more, and peace on earth?.NO.
    Has the spears turned into pruning hooks? NO.
    Has the sword turned into plowshares? NO.
    Can the child play with the Bear? NO.
    Does the lion eat straw? NO.

    WHERE IS YOUR KINGDOM? NO KINGDOM.

    wakeup.


    WAKEUP

    almost all you say has been accomplished ,and still in progress

    so your answers should be mostly “YES”


    Hi Pierre,

    Accomplished and in progress means two different things.


    j42

    Isa 9:2 The people walking in darkness
    have seen a great light;
    on those living in the land of the shadow of death
    a light has dawned.
    Isa 9:3 You have enlarged the nation
    and increased their joy;
    they rejoice before you
    as people rejoice at the harvest,
    as men rejoice
    when dividing the plunder.
    Isa 9:4 For as in the day of Midian’s defeat,
    you have shattered
    the yoke that burdens them,
    the bar across their shoulders,
    the rod of their oppressor.
    Isa 9:5 Every warrior’s boot used in battle
    and every garment rolled in blood
    will be destined for burning,
    will be fuel for the fire.
    Isa 9:6 For to us a child is born,
    to us a son is given,
    and the government will be on his shoulders.
    And he will be called
    Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
    Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
    Isa 9:7 Of the increase of his government and peace
    there will be no end.
    He will reign on David’s throne
    and over his kingdom,
    establishing and upholding it
    with justice and righteousness
    from that time on and forever.

    the kingdom his in place from the time that the son of God his born and died ,

    The zeal of the LORD Almighty
    will accomplish this.

    end of story

    #330238
    942767
    Participant

    Hi J42:

    We are in the kingdom with a mortal body and we will not be physically present with him until he comes for the church and we receive our spiritual body.

    Quote
    Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

    Rom 8:10 And if Christ [be] in you, the body [is] dead because of sin; but the Spirit [is] life because of righteousness.

    Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

    Quote
    2Cr 5:1 ¶ For we know that if our earthly house of [this] tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.

    2Cr 5:2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:

    2Cr 5:3 If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked.

    2Cr 5:4 For we that are in [this] tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.

    Love in Christ,
    Marty

    #330260
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (942767 @ Jan. 27 2013,14:14)
    Hi J42:

    We are in the kingdom with a mortal body and we will not be physically present with him until he comes for the church and we receive our spiritual body.

    Quote
    Rom 8:9   But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.  

    Rom 8:10   And if Christ [be] in you, the body [is] dead because of sin; but the Spirit [is] life because of righteousness.  

    Rom 8:11   But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.  

    Quote
    2Cr 5:1 ¶ For we know that if our earthly house of [this] tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.  

    2Cr 5:2   For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:  

    2Cr 5:3   If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked.  

    2Cr 5:4   For we that are in [this] tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.

    Love in Christ,
    Marty


    Marty.

    Good choice of scriptures.

    wakeup.

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