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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Nov. 10 2013,21:19) To all………..Did God create the Knowledge of Good and Evil, Was that not the Tree (that which produces from Self) that was in the Garden of Eden, Is this what God said the man has become as one of us to “KNOW” (have a eminent relationship with) Good and Evil. When it says Adam “KNOW” Eve did that meant he just knew about her or does it mean, he Had experienced an eminent relationship with her?
The word Know in Genesis is more then just a knowledge about something it is a Knowledge derived by experiencing it.God created all thing that exist and that includes both Good and Evil. He want us to learn by an eminent relationship with Both to Learn to Chose what is Good instead of what is Evil. But be assured Both are part of what makes up life and are vital for us to be more like The LORD our GOD or He would not have allowed it in the first place. IMO
peace and love to you all……………………………….gene
GQuote it is a Knowledge derived by experiencing it. you right ,and they did experience it ;at their expense,
Hi Wakeup:
God created angels and mankind with a freewill, and it was through Adam that sin entered into the world, and every man who was born of the sperm of man was tempted in the world and sinned.
Is God responsible for their actions or does God approve of their actions. God forbid! God allows it because He will not over-ride man's free will.
He allows all of this evil, but is calling every man into a relationship with Him through the gospel, but again, God will not force anyone to serve Him. If someone comes to Him, it must be that this decision to serve him comes from a man's heart.
He also allows the evil because in His wisdom, no man can boast of his salvation that it is because he is better than anyone else or is holier than someone else. All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. And so, salvation if by faith so that it might be by grace, and not of works that any man should boast.
Also, if a man chooses not to serve God and rejects His love, and chooses to be destroyed then it is his decision. A foolish one no doubt but nevertheless a decision made with the freedom to do so.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (Wakeup @ Nov. 09 2013,15:30) Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 09 2013,11:28) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 09 2013,05:03) Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 09 2013,08:21) Wakeup, Any interpretation made by God's Spirit is true while those made in other ways are false.
God causes the lack of the effects of disasters and disasters and other opposites is the theme of those three passages. It can be summed up as all things occur by the will of God. By all things occurring I am not saying God does evil but he does allow for it to be done and uses it to do good.
Kerwin.How can you tell the difference;
between God's interpretation and mens?wakeup.
Wakeup,If it does not aid and encourage you to seek to be righteous as God is righteous it is not from God.
Kerwin.I say this:If there is no harmony in the scriptures,
It is NOT of God.
If all the pieces of scriptures put together; can build a clear picture of God's whole plan,without any distortions;*it is of God*.So far this clear picrure has evaded christians.
For the land is desolate.No man knows the Son;but the Father.
No man knows the Father but the son.
You are one of them.
Judging by all the comments you have made,of the Son.
The son is still a mystery to you.
He has not revealed himself to you.Many are called but a few chosen.
Many will come and say;Lord.Lord.wakeup.
Wakeup,It is the doctrine that needs to be harmonious. Scripture is just a way to learn the true doctrine. Satan can obscure but their is a way that we can learn even if God has to raise up his people to write it from scratch once more.
The message much call us to be righteous as God is righteous, teach us how to do it, and encourage us that God is with us and aiding us as we strive to accomplish it and after we have accomplished it.
Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 09 2013,22:44) k God makes salvation
its walls and ramparts.
Isa 26:2 Open the gates
that the righteous nation may enter,
the nation that keeps faith.
Isa 26:3 You will keep in perfect peace
him whose mind is steadfast,
because he trusts in you.
Isa 26:4 Trust in the LORD forever,
for the LORD, the LORD, is the Rock eternal.
Isa 26:5 He humbles those who dwell on high,RIGHTEOUSNESS IS THE GAME
T,Yes!
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Nov. 10 2013,21:19) To all………..Did God create the Knowledge of Good and Evil, Was that not the Tree (that which produces from Self) that was in the Garden of Eden, Is this what God said the man has become as one of us to “KNOW” (have a eminent relationship with) Good and Evil. When it says Adam “KNOW” Eve did that meant he just knew about her or does it mean, he Had experienced an eminent relationship with her?
The word Know in Genesis is more then just a knowledge about something it is a Knowledge derived by experiencing it.God created all thing that exist and that includes both Good and Evil. He want us to learn by an eminent relationship with Both to Learn to Chose what is Good instead of what is Evil. But be assured Both are part of what makes up life and are vital for us to be more like The LORD our GOD or He would not have allowed it in the first place. IMO
peace and love to you all……………………………….gene
Gene,He did create that tree.
Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 11 2013,06:51) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Nov. 10 2013,21:19) To all………..Did God create the Knowledge of Good and Evil, Was that not the Tree (that which produces from Self) that was in the Garden of Eden, Is this what God said the man has become as one of us to “KNOW” (have a eminent relationship with) Good and Evil. When it says Adam “KNOW” Eve did that meant he just knew about her or does it mean, he Had experienced an eminent relationship with her?
The word Know in Genesis is more then just a knowledge about something it is a Knowledge derived by experiencing it.God created all thing that exist and that includes both Good and Evil. He want us to learn by an eminent relationship with Both to Learn to Chose what is Good instead of what is Evil. But be assured Both are part of what makes up life and are vital for us to be more like The LORD our GOD or He would not have allowed it in the first place. IMO
peace and love to you all……………………………….gene
Gene,He did create that tree.
G/KTHERE WAS NOTHING WRONG WITH THE TREE ,
GOD ONLY ADD TO PICK ANY TREE ,THEY WOULD HAVE WORKED JUST AS WELL
To All………The word “TREE” is a symbolic term. It means that which produces the type of life from “ITSELF”, Adam ate from it , the word “Eat” is also symbolic meaning (to take to ones self). In short Adam and Eve ” chose to “EAT” (took to themselves) and like a Tree (produce from “SELF” the Knowledge of Good and EVIL. In doing that they rejected God's Word and broke his command Not to Eat of the Tree .
Simple put God told Adam and Eve not to learn what is good and evil from there own selves, which would have meant they would have to experience it for themselves, Like God and they angels have. God was just trying to save man kind from the result of experiencing Good and evil for themselves. While Man could have had Good and lived forever, they would not have the Wisdom to Know the difference between Good and Evil. It is by experiencing it that teaches Us to reject the Evil and Love the Good, in this way we become more like God and understand the “effects” of Good and Evil in life by experiencing it for ourselves. IMO
peace and love to yo all……………………….gene
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Quote God was just trying to save man kind from the result of experiencing Good and evil for themselves. no ,gene God put the first man and women to a TEST ,AND THEY FAIL BY A LAND SLIDE ,
THE TREE WAS GOOD IF THEY WOULD OBEY AND WOULD BE EVIL IF THEY DISOBEY , THE TREE MEAN LIVE AND DEATH ,
JUST LIKE CHRIST SAYS ,IF YOU OBEY AND DO WHAT I TELL YOU AND SO BELIEVE IN ME ,MY FATHER WILL GIVE YOU LIVE ,IF NOT YOU WILL DIE IN YOUR SINS
Back to primary school.
1. Who sinned first ;Eve or satan?
2.Who is *US*?
3.Who was walking inthe garden?
Genesis 3:8 And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.Genesis 3:9 And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?
Genesis 3:10 And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.
4.The tree of knowledge of good and evil,is a physical tree.
what did Eve choose?wakeup.
always stick to what scriptures says and teaches,if you let your imagination go, it will make you end up in the unreal world of the self dreams ,
Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 13 2013,10:07) always stick to what scriptures says and teaches,if you let your imagination go, it will make you end up in the unreal world of the self dreams ,
Terra.Can not answer those basic questions?
wakeup.
Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 11 2013,11:00) Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 11 2013,06:51) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Nov. 10 2013,21:19) To all………..Did God create the Knowledge of Good and Evil, Was that not the Tree (that which produces from Self) that was in the Garden of Eden, Is this what God said the man has become as one of us to “KNOW” (have a eminent relationship with) Good and Evil. When it says Adam “KNOW” Eve did that meant he just knew about her or does it mean, he Had experienced an eminent relationship with her?
The word Know in Genesis is more then just a knowledge about something it is a Knowledge derived by experiencing it.God created all thing that exist and that includes both Good and Evil. He want us to learn by an eminent relationship with Both to Learn to Chose what is Good instead of what is Evil. But be assured Both are part of what makes up life and are vital for us to be more like The LORD our GOD or He would not have allowed it in the first place. IMO
peace and love to you all……………………………….gene
Gene,He did create that tree.
G/KTHERE WAS NOTHING WRONG WITH THE TREE ,
GOD ONLY ADD TO PICK ANY TREE ,THEY WOULD HAVE WORKED JUST AS WELL
T,The tree was not evil. Mankind was not mature enough for it. In a like manner, good parents teach there children not have sex even though sex is not evil.
Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 14 2013,00:08) Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 11 2013,11:00) Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 11 2013,06:51) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Nov. 10 2013,21:19) To all………..Did God create the Knowledge of Good and Evil, Was that not the Tree (that which produces from Self) that was in the Garden of Eden, Is this what God said the man has become as one of us to “KNOW” (have a eminent relationship with) Good and Evil. When it says Adam “KNOW” Eve did that meant he just knew about her or does it mean, he Had experienced an eminent relationship with her?
The word Know in Genesis is more then just a knowledge about something it is a Knowledge derived by experiencing it.God created all thing that exist and that includes both Good and Evil. He want us to learn by an eminent relationship with Both to Learn to Chose what is Good instead of what is Evil. But be assured Both are part of what makes up life and are vital for us to be more like The LORD our GOD or He would not have allowed it in the first place. IMO
peace and love to you all……………………………….gene
Gene,He did create that tree.
G/KTHERE WAS NOTHING WRONG WITH THE TREE ,
GOD ONLY ADD TO PICK ANY TREE ,THEY WOULD HAVE WORKED JUST AS WELL
T,The tree was not evil. Mankind was not mature enough for it. In a like manner, good parents teach there children not have sex even though sex is not evil.
Kfirst do you really think that for Adam and Eve it was to difficult just do what God had asked
DO NOT EAT FROM THE TREE OF GOOD AND EVIL ???OR THE DAY YOU WILL EAT FROM IT YOU WILL SURELY DIE ;
THEIR WAS NO OTHER LAW OR REQUIREMENT ;PLENTY OF OTHER TREES ,DID NOT NEED THIS TREE TO SURVIVE ,FOR WHAT I UNDERSTAND THEY COULD HAVE LIVED FOR 1000'S OF YEARS AND NEVER BE BOTHERED WITH IT ,
IT WAS A SIMPLE TEST ,NO QUESTION ABOUT IT ;BUT NOT A TEST SO DIFFICULT THAT IT COULD NOT BE OVERCOMED ,
THIS TEST REMAIN IN THE BELIEVE IN THE SON OF GOD JESUS CHRIST ;AND YET VERY FEW DO IT ;IT IS SIMPLE ,
BUT WHY SO MANY FAIL TO DO IT
ADAM AND EVE INCLUDED people seem to act on the urgency factor, and that with God as been proven wrong look at what happen at the flood ;things were worked at it in front of their eyes ,the ark went up and up year after year ,but no one bothers with anything , Noah did not keep silence ,but no one believed him,the same thing with the sons in law to be of Lot,and lets not forget Israel who paid the full price for not believing God almighty Jehovah.
i guess that's the way it is
T,
I believe both Adam and Eve were immature and therefore lacked wisdom. Eve heard the temptation of the Serpent and in her foolishness believed him over the source of Good. Adam was offered the fruit and chose to eat it because of his own foolishness. This disobedience came when they yet lacked the knowledge of either good or evil. The response of the angels were that they feared mankind would then eat of the tree of life and become like them. They did not fear that before mankind ate of fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil even though the tree of life was in the garden to be freely eaten of. God then banned mankind from the tree of life in particular and the garden in general until a later date. The only reason I can come up with is mankind was still immature. As time went on they became more mature and the Christ came to sow the word at the right time and will come again to harvest at the right time. At that time he wild also dispose of the weeds that have grown up in his garden.
Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 09 2014,04:43) T, I believe both Adam and Eve were immature and therefore lacked wisdom. Eve heard the temptation of the Serpent and in her foolishness believed him over the source of Good. Adam was offered the fruit and chose to eat it because of his own foolishness. This disobedience came when they yet lacked the knowledge of either good or evil. The response of the angels were that they feared mankind would then eat of the tree of life and become like them. They did not fear that before mankind ate of fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil even though the tree of life was in the garden to be freely eaten of. God then banned mankind from the tree of life in particular and the garden in general until a later date. The only reason I can come up with is mankind was still immature. As time went on they became more mature and the Christ came to sow the word at the right time and will come again to harvest at the right time. At that time he wild also dispose of the weeds that have grown up in his garden.
KQuote The only reason I can come up with is mankind was still immature. As time went on they became more mature and the Christ came to sow the word at the right time and will come again to harvest at the right time. At that time he wild also dispose of the weeds that have grown up in his garden. SO ACCORDING TO YOU GOD HAD PUT THE LOAD WAY TO HEAVY FOR ADAM AND EVE TO SUPPORT
RIGHT ,THAT IS WHAT I UNDERSTAND OF YOUR QUOTE TO ME THAT IS NOT WHAT I UNDERSTAND FROM SCRIPTURES ,FOR ADAM HAD NO EXCUSE TO EAT FROM THE TREE AND HE KNEW IT ,BUT DID IT ANY WAY ,SURE IT WAS A TEST AND FAILED IT ,THERE COULD BE 100 OF REASONS WHY HE FAIL THE TEST ,BUT THE TEST WAS IN NO CONDITION MORE THAN THEY BOTH COULD EASILY BEAR,
NOW WEN CHRIST CAME HE DID MANY THINGS FOR INSTANT HE CAME TO SET JUDGMENT ,JUST LIKE GOD DID IN EDEN WITH ADAM AND EVE ; NO DIFFERENCE ,TAKE THE LIGHT OR DARKNESS
EAT OF THE TREE OR NOT , OBEY OR NOT ,
AT WHAT POINT YOU THINK SOMEONE IS MATURE ENOUGH TO UNDERSTAND THE DO'S AND DON'TS
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 09 2014,12:23) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 09 2014,04:43) T, I believe both Adam and Eve were immature and therefore lacked wisdom. Eve heard the temptation of the Serpent and in her foolishness believed him over the source of Good. Adam was offered the fruit and chose to eat it because of his own foolishness. This disobedience came when they yet lacked the knowledge of either good or evil. The response of the angels were that they feared mankind would then eat of the tree of life and become like them. They did not fear that before mankind ate of fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil even though the tree of life was in the garden to be freely eaten of. God then banned mankind from the tree of life in particular and the garden in general until a later date. The only reason I can come up with is mankind was still immature. As time went on they became more mature and the Christ came to sow the word at the right time and will come again to harvest at the right time. At that time he wild also dispose of the weeds that have grown up in his garden.
KQuote The only reason I can come up with is mankind was still immature. As time went on they became more mature and the Christ came to sow the word at the right time and will come again to harvest at the right time. At that time he wild also dispose of the weeds that have grown up in his garden. SO ACCORDING TO YOU GOD HAD PUT THE LOAD WAY TO HEAVY FOR ADAM AND EVE TO SUPPORT
RIGHT ,THAT IS WHAT I UNDERSTAND OF YOUR QUOTE TO ME THAT IS NOT WHAT I UNDERSTAND FROM SCRIPTURES ,FOR ADAM HAD NO EXCUSE TO EAT FROM THE TREE AND HE KNEW IT ,BUT DID IT ANY WAY ,SURE IT WAS A TEST AND FAILED IT ,THERE COULD BE 100 OF REASONS WHY HE FAIL THE TEST ,BUT THE TEST WAS IN NO CONDITION MORE THAN THEY BOTH COULD EASILY BEAR,
NOW WEN CHRIST CAME HE DID MANY THINGS FOR INSTANT HE CAME TO SET JUDGMENT ,JUST LIKE GOD DID IN EDEN WITH ADAM AND EVE ; NO DIFFERENCE ,TAKE THE LIGHT OR DARKNESS
EAT OF THE TREE OR NOT , OBEY OR NOT ,
AT WHAT POINT YOU THINK SOMEONE IS MATURE ENOUGH TO UNDERSTAND THE DO'S AND DON'TS
T.Tell me this:
Did Adam knew what death is?
Did Adam knew what evil is?wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 10 2014,08:10) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 09 2014,12:23) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 09 2014,04:43) T, I believe both Adam and Eve were immature and therefore lacked wisdom. Eve heard the temptation of the Serpent and in her foolishness believed him over the source of Good. Adam was offered the fruit and chose to eat it because of his own foolishness. This disobedience came when they yet lacked the knowledge of either good or evil. The response of the angels were that they feared mankind would then eat of the tree of life and become like them. They did not fear that before mankind ate of fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil even though the tree of life was in the garden to be freely eaten of. God then banned mankind from the tree of life in particular and the garden in general until a later date. The only reason I can come up with is mankind was still immature. As time went on they became more mature and the Christ came to sow the word at the right time and will come again to harvest at the right time. At that time he wild also dispose of the weeds that have grown up in his garden.
KQuote The only reason I can come up with is mankind was still immature. As time went on they became more mature and the Christ came to sow the word at the right time and will come again to harvest at the right time. At that time he wild also dispose of the weeds that have grown up in his garden. SO ACCORDING TO YOU GOD HAD PUT THE LOAD WAY TO HEAVY FOR ADAM AND EVE TO SUPPORT
RIGHT ,THAT IS WHAT I UNDERSTAND OF YOUR QUOTE TO ME THAT IS NOT WHAT I UNDERSTAND FROM SCRIPTURES ,FOR ADAM HAD NO EXCUSE TO EAT FROM THE TREE AND HE KNEW IT ,BUT DID IT ANY WAY ,SURE IT WAS A TEST AND FAILED IT ,THERE COULD BE 100 OF REASONS WHY HE FAIL THE TEST ,BUT THE TEST WAS IN NO CONDITION MORE THAN THEY BOTH COULD EASILY BEAR,
NOW WEN CHRIST CAME HE DID MANY THINGS FOR INSTANT HE CAME TO SET JUDGMENT ,JUST LIKE GOD DID IN EDEN WITH ADAM AND EVE ; NO DIFFERENCE ,TAKE THE LIGHT OR DARKNESS
EAT OF THE TREE OR NOT , OBEY OR NOT ,
AT WHAT POINT YOU THINK SOMEONE IS MATURE ENOUGH TO UNDERSTAND THE DO'S AND DON'TS
T.Tell me this:
Did Adam knew what death is?
Did Adam knew what evil is?wakeup.
WFOR THAT ANSWER ,YOU CAN SAY THE WORD “EVIL ” SHOULD BE “WRONG”
FOR YOUR FIRST QUESTION ;DID THEY ANIMALS DIED OR WHERE EATEN
IS IN SCRIPTURE ANYONE OTHER THAT ADAM RECEIVE THE ORDER NOT TO EAT THE TREE IF YOU DO YOU WILL DIE
IF NOT I GUESS THEY DIE
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 10 2014,15:51) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 10 2014,08:10) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 09 2014,12:23) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 09 2014,04:43) T, I believe both Adam and Eve were immature and therefore lacked wisdom. Eve heard the temptation of the Serpent and in her foolishness believed him over the source of Good. Adam was offered the fruit and chose to eat it because of his own foolishness. This disobedience came when they yet lacked the knowledge of either good or evil. The response of the angels were that they feared mankind would then eat of the tree of life and become like them. They did not fear that before mankind ate of fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil even though the tree of life was in the garden to be freely eaten of. God then banned mankind from the tree of life in particular and the garden in general until a later date. The only reason I can come up with is mankind was still immature. As time went on they became more mature and the Christ came to sow the word at the right time and will come again to harvest at the right time. At that time he wild also dispose of the weeds that have grown up in his garden.
KQuote The only reason I can come up with is mankind was still immature. As time went on they became more mature and the Christ came to sow the word at the right time and will come again to harvest at the right time. At that time he wild also dispose of the weeds that have grown up in his garden. SO ACCORDING TO YOU GOD HAD PUT THE LOAD WAY TO HEAVY FOR ADAM AND EVE TO SUPPORT
RIGHT ,THAT IS WHAT I UNDERSTAND OF YOUR QUOTE TO ME THAT IS NOT WHAT I UNDERSTAND FROM SCRIPTURES ,FOR ADAM HAD NO EXCUSE TO EAT FROM THE TREE AND HE KNEW IT ,BUT DID IT ANY WAY ,SURE IT WAS A TEST AND FAILED IT ,THERE COULD BE 100 OF REASONS WHY HE FAIL THE TEST ,BUT THE TEST WAS IN NO CONDITION MORE THAN THEY BOTH COULD EASILY BEAR,
NOW WEN CHRIST CAME HE DID MANY THINGS FOR INSTANT HE CAME TO SET JUDGMENT ,JUST LIKE GOD DID IN EDEN WITH ADAM AND EVE ; NO DIFFERENCE ,TAKE THE LIGHT OR DARKNESS
EAT OF THE TREE OR NOT , OBEY OR NOT ,
AT WHAT POINT YOU THINK SOMEONE IS MATURE ENOUGH TO UNDERSTAND THE DO'S AND DON'TS
T.Tell me this:
Did Adam knew what death is?
Did Adam knew what evil is?wakeup.
WFOR THAT ANSWER ,YOU CAN SAY THE WORD “EVIL ” SHOULD BE “WRONG”
FOR YOUR FIRST QUESTION ;DID THEY ANIMALS DIED OR WHERE EATEN
IS IN SCRIPTURE ANYONE OTHER THAT ADAM RECEIVE THE ORDER NOT TO EAT THE TREE IF YOU DO YOU WILL DIE
IF NOT I GUESS THEY DIE
T.I gave you straight questions.
Answer it straight,no need to go around
chasing your tail.1.Did Adam know what is evil?
2.Did Adam know what is death?There was no death at that time,untill satan
brought in death.wakeup.
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