Why is it impossible for God to be or do evil

[Wakeup]

GeneB.

You have it right this time.
All things are possible with God.
There are some so called righteous; believe that God
has his limitations.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 02 2014,23:22)

GeneB. You have it right this time. All things are possible with God. There are some so called righteous; believe that God has his limitations. wakeup.

W/G

you are mixing apples and bananas ,

all good thing are possibles with God ;DID YOU NOT LEARN THAT YET

GOD CANNOT DO DO THOSE EVIL THINGS JUST AS A RIGHTEOUS MAN CAN NOT BE OR DO UNRIGHTEOUS THINGS

IF YOU A BAD PERSON YOU DO AND THINK BAD ,IN ALL YOUR WAYS ,

[seekingtruth]

Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 02 2014,12:51)

Quote (seekingtruth @ Feb. 03 2014,03:01) Wakeup, Yes, I am questioning at what level God knows the future (see Does god know the future? thread) but I'm NOT questioning the scriptures, I'm questioning the interpretation. As I pointed out above there seems to be some justification to do so but I can go either way. What I'm looking for is scriptures, not opinions.   In your case you been shown 3 scriptures flat out stating that God does not lie, being impossible for Him to do so. But you still chose to still state that God could lie. Which is true… others can decide between us. Wm Seeking truth. God does NOT LIE,but he can if he wanted to,BUT WILL NEVER LIE.

Hebrews 6:18 so that by two unchangeable things in which it is impossible for God to lie,

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I believe that God can do everything, wich you dont.

So you believe God can be unrighteous, lie, etc.

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I believe that God can see things ahead, thousands of years ahead;which you dont.

No, I'm searching scriptures for what they say

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I believe that God knew about lucifer ahead of time. which you dont.

Well in Ezekiel it reads that way, but I'm open

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I believe that God also created darkness;wich you dont.

No, I believe darkness is the lack of light (no creation required)

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I believe that God created leviathan;wich you dont.

Please show me where I ever said that

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I believe that God created the destroyer;which you dont.

Please show me where I ever said that

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I believe that God created the flood;which you dont.

Please show me where I ever said that

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I believe that God destroyed sodom; which you dont.

Please show me where I ever said that

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I believe that God opened up the sea and drowned the egyptians;which you dont.

Please show me where I ever said that

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I believe that God opened up the earth to swollow up the murmering israelites;which you dont.

Please show me where I ever said that

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I believe that God will destroy babylon;which you dont.

Please show me where I ever said that

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Because ALL that is evil killings.

Actually I have stated that murder is evil, but not all killings are murder (hence not evil)

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THESE SCRIPTURES YOU ARE AGAINST: YET YOU SAY YOU ARE SEEKING THE TRUTH?? Isaiah 46:10   Declaring the end *from the beginning*, and *from ancient times* the things that are *not yet done*, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:  Isaiah 48:3   I have *declared the former things* *from the beginning*; and they went forth out of my mouth, and I shewed them; *I did them suddenly*, and they came to pass.  Isaiah 48:5   I have *even from the beginning declared it to thee*; *before it came to pass* I shewed it thee: lest thou shouldest say, Mine idol hath done them, and my graven image, and my molten image, hath commanded them. YOU ARE PUTTING LIMITS ON  YOUR GOD. wakeup.

But does He know it because He foresaw it or did He declare it because He could bring it to pass. As I've stated “I DON'T KNOW” I'm searching for the truth in scriptures NOT OPINIONS

God is Holy and so by His very nature is “limited” from performing any unrighteousness.

Wm

[Wakeup]

Quote (seekingtruth @ Feb. 03 2014,06:07)

Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 02 2014,12:51) Quote (seekingtruth @ Feb. 03 2014,03:01) Wakeup, Yes, I am questioning at what level God knows the future (see Does god know the future? thread) but I'm NOT questioning the scriptures, I'm questioning the interpretation. As I pointed out above there seems to be some justification to do so but I can go either way. What I'm looking for is scriptures, not opinions.   In your case you been shown 3 scriptures flat out stating that God does not lie, being impossible for Him to do so. But you still chose to still state that God could lie. Which is true… others can decide between us. Wm Seeking truth. God does NOT LIE,but he can if he wanted to,BUT WILL NEVER LIE. Hebrews 6:18 so that by two unchangeable things in which it is impossible for God to lie, Quote I believe that God can do everything, wich you dont. So you believe God can be unrighteous, lie, etc. Quote I believe that God can see things ahead, thousands of years ahead;which you dont. No, I'm searching scriptures for what they say Quote I believe that God knew about lucifer ahead of time. which you dont. Well in Ezekiel it reads that way, but I'm open Quote I believe that God also created darkness;wich you dont. No, I believe darkness is the lack of light (no creation required) Quote I believe that God created leviathan;wich you dont. Please show me where I ever said that Quote I believe that God created the destroyer;which you dont. Please show me where I ever said that Quote I believe that God created the flood;which you dont. Please show me where I ever said that Quote I believe that God destroyed sodom; which you dont. Please show me where I ever said that Quote I believe that God opened up the sea and drowned the egyptians;which you dont. Please show me where I ever said that Quote I believe that God opened up the earth to swollow up the murmering israelites;which you dont. Please show me where I ever said that Quote I believe that God will destroy babylon;which you dont. Please show me where I ever said that Quote Because ALL that is evil killings. Actually I have stated that murder is evil, but not all killings are murder (hence not evil) Quote THESE SCRIPTURES YOU ARE AGAINST: YET YOU SAY YOU ARE SEEKING THE TRUTH?? Isaiah 46:10   Declaring the end *from the beginning*, and *from ancient times* the things that are *not yet done*, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:  Isaiah 48:3   I have *declared the former things* *from the beginning*; and they went forth out of my mouth, and I shewed them; *I did them suddenly*, and they came to pass.  Isaiah 48:5   I have *even from the beginning declared it to thee*; *before it came to pass* I shewed it thee: lest thou shouldest say, Mine idol hath done them, and my graven image, and my molten image, hath commanded them. YOU ARE PUTTING LIMITS ON  YOUR GOD. wakeup. But does He know it because He foresaw it or did He declare it because He could bring it to pass. As I've stated “I DON'T KNOW” I'm searching for the truth in scriptures NOT OPINIONS God is Holy and so by His very nature is “limited” from performing any unrighteousness. Wm

Seekingtruth.

You maybe did not say that straight forward;but you
have strongly insinuated those things by saying that God did not create evil. And that God can not see forward/ahead.

To find the truth:
The first thing you must do is to respect every word in scripture,and not listen to those scribes and pharisees
which are antichrists.Christ debunkers.

Darkness is the lack of light is just playing with words.
God has taken out the light to have darkness.
He did it himself. He could have created an ice cap around the earth to have continuous light on earth.

No knowledge is also the lack of knowledge.
Therefore in darkness.

You say God is Holy which I can not disagree.
But you are still limiting his power.
God can do everything,but will never lie.
He created the the killer of His own son.
He knew it beforehand. And dont say God did not know that.
He made a mistake.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 03 2014,01:57)

Quote (seekingtruth @ Feb. 03 2014,06:07) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 02 2014,12:51) Quote (seekingtruth @ Feb. 03 2014,03:01) Wakeup, Yes, I am questioning at what level God knows the future (see Does god know the future? thread) but I'm NOT questioning the scriptures, I'm questioning the interpretation. As I pointed out above there seems to be some justification to do so but I can go either way. What I'm looking for is scriptures, not opinions.   In your case you been shown 3 scriptures flat out stating that God does not lie, being impossible for Him to do so. But you still chose to still state that God could lie. Which is true… others can decide between us. Wm Seeking truth. God does NOT LIE,but he can if he wanted to,BUT WILL NEVER LIE. Hebrews 6:18 so that by two unchangeable things in which it is impossible for God to lie, Quote I believe that God can do everything, wich you dont. So you believe God can be unrighteous, lie, etc. Quote I believe that God can see things ahead, thousands of years ahead;which you dont. No, I'm searching scriptures for what they say Quote I believe that God knew about lucifer ahead of time. which you dont. Well in Ezekiel it reads that way, but I'm open Quote I believe that God also created darkness;wich you dont. No, I believe darkness is the lack of light (no creation required) Quote I believe that God created leviathan;wich you dont. Please show me where I ever said that Quote I believe that God created the destroyer;which you dont. Please show me where I ever said that Quote I believe that God created the flood;which you dont. Please show me where I ever said that Quote I believe that God destroyed sodom; which you dont. Please show me where I ever said that Quote I believe that God opened up the sea and drowned the egyptians;which you dont. Please show me where I ever said that Quote I believe that God opened up the earth to swollow up the murmering israelites;which you dont. Please show me where I ever said that Quote I believe that God will destroy babylon;which you dont. Please show me where I ever said that Quote Because ALL that is evil killings. Actually I have stated that murder is evil, but not all killings are murder (hence not evil) Quote THESE SCRIPTURES YOU ARE AGAINST: YET YOU SAY YOU ARE SEEKING THE TRUTH?? Isaiah 46:10   Declaring the end *from the beginning*, and *from ancient times* the things that are *not yet done*, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:  Isaiah 48:3   I have *declared the former things* *from the beginning*; and they went forth out of my mouth, and I shewed them; *I did them suddenly*, and they came to pass.  Isaiah 48:5   I have *even from the beginning declared it to thee*; *before it came to pass* I shewed it thee: lest thou shouldest say, Mine idol hath done them, and my graven image, and my molten image, hath commanded them. YOU ARE PUTTING LIMITS ON  YOUR GOD. wakeup. But does He know it because He foresaw it or did He declare it because He could bring it to pass. As I've stated “I DON'T KNOW” I'm searching for the truth in scriptures NOT OPINIONS God is Holy and so by His very nature is “limited” from performing any unrighteousness. Wm Seekingtruth. You maybe did not say that straight forward;but you have strongly insinuated those things by saying that God did not create evil. And that God can not see forward/ahead. To find the truth: The first thing you must do is to respect every word in scripture,and not listen to those scribes and pharisees which are antichrists.Christ debunkers. Darkness is the lack of light is just playing with words. God has taken out the light to have darkness. He did it himself. He could have created an ice cap around the earth to have continuous light on earth. No knowledge is also the lack of knowledge. Therefore in darkness. You say God is Holy which I can not disagree. But you are still limiting his power. God can do everything,but will never lie. He created the the killer of His own son. He knew it beforehand. And dont say God did not know that. He made a mistake. wakeup.

W

YOU DO NOT PUT SCRIPTURES WHERE HE ASK YOU TO ?

IT SEEMS YOU USING THE LIE TECHNIC ON OTHERS BECAUSE YOU, YOUR SELF CAN NOT SHOW ANY SCRIPTURES THAT SUPPORT YOU MEAN AND UGLY MINDED VIEWS

[terraricca]

W

YOU LIKE TO SLANDER THOSE WHO LIKE THE TRUTH ,AND THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD AND CHRIST HIS SON ,THIS TELLS A LOT OF THE ONE USING THOSE WAYS ,

[Wakeup]

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W YOU LIKE TO SLANDER THOSE WHO LIKE THE TRUTH ,AND THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD AND CHRIST HIS SON ,THIS TELLS A LOT OF THE ONE USING THOSE WAYS ,

T.

You are the greatest non believer in God.

Denying every word that came out of his mouth.
Who really are you working for?
Satan has send his agents to infiltrate the churches.
Are you unknowingly one of them?
Infiltrate and cause confusion,and divide.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 03 2014,04:00)

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 03 2014,07:26) W YOU LIKE TO SLANDER THOSE WHO LIKE THE TRUTH ,AND THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD AND CHRIST HIS SON ,THIS TELLS A LOT OF THE ONE USING THOSE WAYS , T. You are the greatest non believer in God. Denying every word that came out of his mouth. Who really are you working for? Satan has send his agents to infiltrate the churches. Are you unknowingly one of them? Infiltrate and cause confusion,and divide. wakeup.

W

YOU SAY “GOD CREATED “EVIL” NOT ME

[seekingtruth]

Wakeup,
We've both offered our opinions and the scriptures supporting them. I see no reason to continue our discussion any further, let others decide between us. However if anyone monitoring this still needs clarification on anything I've said, just let me know.

Wm

[Wakeup]

Quote (seekingtruth @ Feb. 03 2014,19:31)

Wakeup, We've both offered our opinions and the scriptures supporting them. I see no reason to continue our discussion any further, let others decide between us. However if anyone monitoring this still needs clarification on anything I've said, just let me know. Wm

Seekingtruth.

Let the scriprures be the judge.
No on can be the judge.

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

wakeup.

[GeneBalthrop]

Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 03 2014,09:00)

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 03 2014,07:26) W YOU LIKE TO SLANDER THOSE WHO LIKE THE TRUTH ,AND THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD AND CHRIST HIS SON ,THIS TELLS A LOT OF THE ONE USING THOSE WAYS , T. You are the greatest non believer in God. Denying every word that came out of his mouth. Who really are you working for? Satan has send his agents to infiltrate the churches. Are you unknowingly one of them? Infiltrate and cause confusion,and divide. wakeup.

Wakeup…….You are more right then most here even begin to know brother. I feel sorry of Pierre though, because the little fox has been led down a wrong trail by his brother the Wolf> We need to pray for them, they both do not know how they are being used, nor by who they are being used by. IMO

peace and love to you and yours…………………………..gene

[GeneBalthrop]

Quote (seekingtruth @ Feb. 03 2014,06:07)

God is Holy and so by His very nature is “limited” from performing any unrighteousness.[/b] Wm

Seeking truth………Who said he does “unrighteousness”, Causing EVIL can be a Righteous ACT. Tell us was the EVIL Spirit that was sent to King Saul , sent by Man or GOD?. Did that Evil spirit cause King Saul to do evil, Yes or NO.

If your answer is yes, then please tell us who was responsible for that evil spirit being sent to Saul. Was it Saul or GOD? If you say GOD then GOD takes responsibility for it, even though Saul brought it on himself. This show God does use evil in some cases to bring about his righteous works. IMO

peace and love to you and yours………………………….gene

[Wakeup]

GeneB.

I fully agree with you,but we are
sheep amongst sly foxes sucking on wolves milk.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

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To find the truth: The first thing you must do is to respect every word in scripture,and not listen to those scribes and pharisees which are antichrists.Christ debunkers.

LET SEE WHAT YOU ARE SAYING ;YOU SAY THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK INTO THE SCRIPTURES ;BUT YOU LIMIT THE SCRIPTURES TO ONE SINGLE VERSION THE KJV. THIS IS YOUR LIMIT, INTO THE WORD OF GOD ,

MY SCRIPTURES AS NO LIMIT IN THE VERSIONS AND I LOOK AT ALL THE INFO THAT IS AVAILABLE TO ME OLD OR NEW ,SO TELLING ME THAT WE ARE IN SHORT VISION ,PLEASE THINK AGAIN YOU NOT ONLY LIMIT YOUR SELVES TO ONE VERSION BUT ALSO GOD HIMSELF

[seekingtruth]

Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 03 2014,06:05)

Seekingtruth. Let the scriprures be the judge. No on can be the judge.  2 Timothy 3:16   All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: wakeup.

I agree that scripture is the standard by which we will be judged. However, we are left to judge the merit of what others say about it:

1 Corinthians 10:15 I speak as to wise men; you judge what I say.

Good scripture

Wm

[terraricca]

skt

those verses should be enough to say that God did not created evil

[Wakeup]

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 04 2014,11:10)

skt those verses should be enough to say that God did not created evil

T.

No; You say God does not create evil contradicting God's own words. For he said it clear and straight.
Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil:
***I the LORD do all these
things***.

The world can not explain why the God of love should create
evil. And you are in their category.
So what you do, is just say no that was mistranslated.
But there are more scriptures indicating that God creates evil.

But of course you will not look into them.
Playing ostrich.

wakeup.

[GeneBalthrop]

Seeking truth……….God created every thing  pertaining to life, and that includes GOOD and EVIL, Ask yourself how could you even know what is Good, if you did not know what is evil, both give understanding to the other, they are what life consists of. They both give meaning to what life is, and give us a sense of direction. Like up apart from down would have no meaning at all, or right without left, or yes without no, these opposites  explain each other and give us a sense of understanding. Same with good and evil. We are to come to love the good, and hate the evil, and how could we if we have not experienced them both? Good and evil give us clarity of what living is all about, we have come to “KNOW” good and evil and as a result we learn to chose good and reject evil.  

God could have prevent Evil at anytime he wanted to, He didn't because it was needful for us to experience them both, and another thing to consider is this, that they both come from ONE TREE, not two trees but ONE, the fruit of that “ONE” tree, represents what life can produce, so both, good and evil, can be produced in our life. It gives us Knowledge of what life itself can consist of. We need to learn from it to produce good, and reject evil in our lives. IMO

peace and love to you and yours…………………………………..gene

[Wakeup]

GeneB.

Those are words of wisdom.
Amen to you.

Greetings to you.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 04 2014,19:28)

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 04 2014,11:10) skt those verses should be enough to say that God did not created evil T. No; You say God does not create evil contradicting God's own words. For he said it clear and straight. Isaiah 45:7   I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil:                      ***I the LORD do all these                            things***. The world can not explain why the God of love should create evil. And you are in their category. So what you do, is just say no that was mistranslated. But there are more scriptures indicating that God creates evil. But of course you will not look into them. Playing ostrich. wakeup.

W

DIG DEEPER AND YOU WILL SOON FIND THAT THAT VERSE WERE THE WORD “EVIL” IS USED IS TRANSLATED WRONGLY ,BUT YOU DO NOT HAVE TO CHECK IT IN CASE TRUTH WILL COME TO YOU

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