Why is it impossible for God to be or do evil

[seekingtruth]

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 31 2014,22:03)

T. This is your own composition. Which the scriptures disagree with. God CAN lie if he wanted to, but does not lie. God CAN create evil,and He did create lucifer. All for us to know evil and good,so we can choose. wakeup.

Wakeup,
Scripture disagrees – Hebrews 6:18 so that by two unchangeable things in which it is impossible for God to lie,

Wm

[Wakeup]

Quote (seekingtruth @ Feb. 01 2014,14:10)

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 31 2014,22:03) T. This is your own composition. Which the scriptures disagree with. God CAN lie if he wanted to, but does not lie. God CAN create evil,and He did create lucifer. All for us to know evil and good,so we can choose. wakeup. Wakeup, Scripture disagrees – Hebrews 6:18 so that by two unchangeable things in which it is impossible for God to lie, Wm

Seekingtruth.

Any person can lie;so why can God not lie?
Because God never lies,that is against his nature.
He has nothing to hide.

wakeup.

[seekingtruth]

wakeup,
Your disagreement is with scripture, not me.

Another scripture stating God cannot lie:
Titus 1:2 in the hope of eternal life, which God, who cannot lie, promised long ages ago,

Wm

[2besee]

Wakeup,
You said: “Any person can lie; so why can God not lie?”

“God is not a man, that he should lie”.(Numbers 23:19)

[Wakeup]

Quote (seekingtruth @ Feb. 01 2014,20:50)

wakeup, Your disagreement is with scripture, not me. Another scripture stating God cannot lie: Titus 1:2 in the hope of eternal life, which God, who cannot lie, promised long ages ago, Wm

Seekingtruth.

That is what I said.
God will never lie.
But dont say He CAN NOT.
You are just limiting his power.
He can do everything.
But will never need to lie.
Who is He afraid of?

wakeup.

[Wakeup]

Quote (2besee @ Feb. 01 2014,22:12)

Wakeup, You said: “Any person can lie; so why can God not lie?” “God is not a man, that he should lie”.(Numbers 23:19)

2Besee.

I agree with you.
He is not responsible to anybody.
He does not need to lie ,and he will never lie.
But he can.
We are not to limit His powers.

wakeup.

[seekingtruth]

Wakeup,
All I can say is you have a zeal: Romans 10:2 For I testify about them that they have a zeal for God, but not in accordance with knowledge. what you lack is maturity, the realization that God does not lack anything and is not reduced by having things He won't do that violate His nature (such as lie or create evil). I will stand by what the whole of scriptures state and what the Holy Spirit has has shown me to be true.

Wm

[Wakeup]

Quote (seekingtruth @ Feb. 02 2014,01:15)

Wakeup, All I can say is you have a zeal: Romans 10:2 For I testify about them that they have a zeal for God, but not in accordance with knowledge. what you lack is maturity, the realization that God does not lack anything and is not reduced by having things He won't do that violate His nature (such as lie or create evil). I will stand by what the whole of scriptures state and what the Holy Spirit has has shown me to be true. Wm

Seekingtruth.

Can you answer this one question?

1. Who created lucifer?

wakeup.

[seekingtruth]

Wakeup,
God did, and He created him with free will, we're told in Ezekiel 28:15 “You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created until unrighteousness was found in you. it was through the free will, that even though he was blameless from his creation, sin was manifested in him.

Wm

[terraricca]

skt

it seems we have to repeat those verses over and over to wakeup ,but it seem as well it never reach his heart so that it stay inside him ,for some reason it get out ,and we have to bring those scriptures back to him ,

strange man the wakeup

[Wakeup]

Quote (seekingtruth @ Feb. 02 2014,01:49)

Wakeup, God did, and He created him with free will, we're told in Ezekiel 28:15 “You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created until unrighteousness was found in you. it was through the free will, that even though he was blameless from his creation, sin was manifested in him. Wm

Seekingtruth.

That is right.
Now tell me with your owm words that God could not see that happening.

wakeup.

[seekingtruth]

Wakeup,
I'll do one better, I'll give it to you in the wording from scripture. All the versions on Bible.cc state that unrighteousness “was found”.  

found (found), find·ing, finds 1. To come upon, often by accident;.

It does not say; at the appropriate time God exposed this 'built in flaw' but that it was 'discovered'. I believe scripture is showing us that it was unknown to God (for reason(s) untold).

Wm

[terraricca]

Quote (seekingtruth @ Feb. 02 2014,04:56)

Wakeup, I'll do one better, I'll give it to you in the wording from scripture. All the versions on Bible.cc state that unrighteousness “was found”.   found (found), find·ing, finds 1. To come upon, often by accident;. It does not say; at the appropriate time God exposed this 'built in flaw' but that it was 'discovered'. I believe scripture is showing us that it was unknown to God (for reason(s) untold). Wm

SKT

WELL SAID

[seekingtruth]

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 01 2014,16:22)

skt it seems we have to repeat those verses over and over to wakeup ,but it seem as well it never reach his heart so that it stay inside him ,for some reason it get out ,and we have to bring those scriptures back to him , strange man the wakeup

I'm concerned that even when scripture flat out states a fact (God cannot lie), he chooses to ignore scripture and push his opinion. We need to keep him in our prayers.

Wm

[Wakeup]

Quote (seekingtruth @ Feb. 02 2014,09:56)

Wakeup, I'll do one better, I'll give it to you in the wording from scripture. All the versions on Bible.cc state that unrighteousness “was found”.   found (found), find·ing, finds 1. To come upon, often by accident;. It does not say; at the appropriate time God exposed this 'built in flaw' but that it was 'discovered'. I believe scripture is showing us that it was unknown to God (for reason(s) untold). Wm

Seekingtruth.

Now you are saying that God can not tell what tomorrow will bring.
And yet there are many prophesies about tomorrow.
Thousands of years ahead of time.
You are in contradiction to the written word.
Are you just saying that to cover yourself, and not the truth.

wakeup.

[seekingtruth]

Wakeup,
Yes, I am questioning at what level God knows the future (see Does god know the future? thread) but I'm NOT questioning the scriptures, I'm questioning the interpretation. As I pointed out above there seems to be some justification to do so but I can go either way. What I'm looking for is scriptures, not opinions.  

In your case you been shown 3 scriptures flat out stating that God does not lie, being impossible for Him to do so. But you still chose to still state that God could lie.

Which is true… others can decide between us.

Wm

[Wakeup]

Quote (seekingtruth @ Feb. 03 2014,03:01)

Wakeup, Yes, I am questioning at what level God knows the future (see Does god know the future? thread) but I'm NOT questioning the scriptures, I'm questioning the interpretation. As I pointed out above there seems to be some justification to do so but I can go either way. What I'm looking for is scriptures, not opinions.   In your case you been shown 3 scriptures flat out stating that God does not lie, being impossible for Him to do so. But you still chose to still state that God could lie. Which is true… others can decide between us. Wm

Seeking truth.

God does NOT LIE,but he can if he wanted to,BUT WILL NEVER LIE.
I believe that God can do everything, wich you dont.
I believe that God can see things ahead, thousands of years ahead;which you dont.
I believe that God knew about lucifer ahead of time.
which you dont.
I believe that God also created darkness;wich you dont.
I believe that God created leviathan;wich you dont.
I believe that God created the destroyer;which you dont.
I believe that God created the flood;which you dont.
I believe that God destroyed sodom; which you dont.
I believe that God opened up the sea and drowned the egyptians;which you dont.
I believe that God opened up the earth to swollow up the murmering israelites;which you dont.
I believe that God will destroy babylon;which you dont.
Because ALL that is evil killings.

THESE SCRIPTURES YOU ARE AGAINST:
YET YOU SAY YOU ARE SEEKING THE TRUTH??

Isaiah 46:10 Declaring the end *from the beginning*, and *from ancient times* the things that are *not yet done*, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

Isaiah 48:3 I have *declared the former things* *from the beginning*; and they went forth out of my mouth, and I shewed them; *I did them suddenly*, and they came to pass.

Isaiah 48:5 I have *even from the beginning declared it to thee*; *before it came to pass* I shewed it thee: lest thou shouldest say, Mine idol hath done them, and my graven image, and my molten image, hath commanded them.

YOU ARE PUTTING LIMITS ON YOUR GOD.

wakeup.

[GeneBalthrop]

Seeking truth……….God COULD LIE, if he wanted to , but he chooses Not to, By saying God can't LIE you are limiting Him and there are scriptures that say he sent a deceiving spirit to some.   2 Ths 2…> God has sent a deluding spirit unto them so they would believe a LIE, because they did not receive the LOVE the TRUTH>  God the Father is in control of everything, he is a “SOVEREIGN” GOD> IMO

peace and love to you and yours……………………………………gene

[Wakeup]

Quote (seekingtruth @ Feb. 02 2014,09:56)

Wakeup, I'll do one better, I'll give it to you in the wording from scripture. All the versions on Bible.cc state that unrighteousness “was found”.   found (found), find·ing, finds 1. To come upon, often by accident;. It does not say; at the appropriate time God exposed this 'built in flaw' but that it was 'discovered'. I believe scripture is showing us that it was unknown to God (for reason(s) untold). Wm

Seekingtruth.

And you deny that God knew beforehand.
You are denying His power.

wakeup.

[GeneBalthrop]

Quote (seekingtruth @ Feb. 01 2014,14:10)

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 31 2014,22:03) T. This is your own composition. Which the scriptures disagree with. God CAN lie if he wanted to, but does not lie. God CAN create evil,and He did create lucifer. All for us to know evil and good,so we can choose. wakeup. Wakeup, Scripture disagrees – Hebrews 6:18 so that by two unchangeable things in which it is impossible for God to lie, Wm

Seeking truth………That is true it is impossible for God to lie, but that is because he chooses not to, not because he can't. Jesus said ALL THINGS ARE “POSSIBLE” FOR GOD now if “all” thing “are” possible, that does not leave out lying.

God the Father Chooses not to Lie, and therefore he does not lie. But don't think he does not use lying and deceitful spirit to effect his work, because he certainly does. Satan is just one example of that. IMO

peace and love to you and yours……………………gene

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