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- February 23, 2023 at 11:14 pm#942484ProclaimerParticipant
God hands over some of his power to individuals. It is called free will. Without free will, there can be no love as love is a choice. If you are programmed to love, then that is not love, it is a program. However, with free will there there is risk. The risk of rebellion. But a rebellion that will only happen once. Why? Because this rebellious world shows all of creation now and into the future, the terrible fruit that comes from rebellion and sin. No other eon or age will bother to choose to go against God’s will because they can see it leads to suffering and death. They can clearly see that created beings are incompetent compared with the eternal God who is pure love and how foolish it is to reject God. It’s like an electrical appliance choosing to be unplugged. What age would want to commit suicide by cutting itself off from the source of life and love..
Rebellious angels perhaps thought they could be gods and life would be wonderful as they could do whatever their imaginations dreamed up. But they soon found their light dimmed and love faded because they disconnected themselves from the source. They eventually became consumed in the lack of God who is love and life which equates to hate and death.
God knew rebellion would happen eventually, so he let it take it’s course when the first being sinned. He allowed it in order to teach creation the end result of rebelling against him and his wisdom. This is why it is written that God crafted a plan of salvation even before the foundation of the cosmos. He knew full well that it would happen at some point then let it play out so wisdom and knowledge would be revealed with the obvious conclusion being that God is right and God is good and without God we have no hope. God’s plan of salvation from sin was determined and decreed before man was even created.
For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love.
Another thing to consider is that even the Son of God learned obedience by living in this world. The experience of living in this world has its rewards that no other world could give. When we have suffered, we gain character and wisdom that is rare and perhaps worthy of pertaining for sons of God.
During the days of Jesus’ earthly life, He offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the One who could save Him from death, and He was heard because of His reverence. Although He was a Son, He learned obedience from what He suffered. And having been made perfect, He became the source of eternal salvation to all who obey Him.
And the God of all grace, who called you to his eternal glory in Christ, after you have suffered a little while, will himself restore you and make you strong, firm and steadfast.
Now if we are children, then we are heirs—heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory.
February 24, 2023 at 4:25 am#942506GeneBalthropParticipantProclaimer……..There exists no such thing as a Will, being free itself, or it would not be called a will, now would it? , Free will, is an “OXYMORON ” , because no such thing exists.
Wills are driven desires, nothing free about it., Jesus said (not me), pray like this, “OUR Father who art in heaven, the kingdom come “THY WILL” , be done, …. I see know where where it say our will be done, because we have a “free” will, to decide for ourselves.
If freewill are what determines our out come, then God could not Prophesy anything , because he couldn’t know what a person would do, at any given time, because a person might change his or her mind about anything at any time. They would be unpredictable for ever.
Peace and love to you and yours Proclaimer. ……..gene
February 24, 2023 at 12:36 pm#942513ProclaimerParticipantGreat to see you exercising your free will and deciding to post in this topic.
Or did you have no choice in the matter and was forced to reply?
If so, then what if God forces you to do a great evil?
After all, some people have committed grave sins that you are essentially saying is not their fault.
Yet God holds them accountable.
Your theology doesn’t seem that holy more holey (full of holes).
February 24, 2023 at 12:42 pm#942514ProclaimerParticipantWhen God created man he made him perfect.
But he gave man free will by placing two trees in the garden.
Unfortunately, man chose to go against God.
But God had a plan from before the foundation of the world where the lamb would be slain if this ever happened. Thus, it was prophesied that he would die. When you think about it, someone was going to sin at some point. But now that we have seen the fruit of misery and death, it is not like anyone will choose that in the future.
Other prophecies do not infringe our free will. If God can see our future, then he can give us an insight into that. If you make the argument he cannot see the future, then maybe each job is available and someone will choose it eventually.
God is not evil and wills us to do evil with no consent from us. This is basically what you are saying. That God determines some to do evil. He writes the script and forces men to do evil.
How wrong you are.
When tempted, no one should say, “ God is tempting me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He tempt anyone. But each one is tempted when by his own evil desires he is lured away and enticed.
We choose with free will whether we let our evil desires take control. When men do such, it is not the result of God ordaining it, forcing us, or that he wrote the script that we have to follow.
God is not evil.
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