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Quote (Ed J @ April 21 2010,14:51) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 20 2010,20:42) The Holy Bible=123 yet you keep calling it “bible” when “Bible” can pertain to any collection of writings. “The Quran” is never called Quran it is called Al-Quran or The Glorious Quran. You have to stop doing convenient calculations
and work on presenting The Truth with Confidence.Hiding the facts won't help you understand the Will of God.
Nothing but continuous distractions from you, huh?“The Bible”=63 because it's the word of “YHVH”=63!
The Divine=63 Deity=63 of The Bible=63 is YHVH=63.'quran book'=114 (Click Here)
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When have you ever picked up a bible and it said “The Bible”Since you have made a definite statement about the Authorized King James Bible. What Does it say on the Cover?
You will see it is always referred to as “The Holy Bible”
You say “The Divine” and yet only say “deity” and what is quran book?
The word Quran means recital so “Al-Quran” means The Recital
You have to leave ignorance far behind and be honest
Quote (bodhitharta @ April 21 2010,16:04) Quote (Ed J @ April 21 2010,14:51) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 20 2010,20:42) The Holy Bible=123 yet you keep calling it “bible” when “Bible” can pertain to any collection of writings. “The Quran” is never called Quran it is called Al-Quran or The Glorious Quran. You have to stop doing convenient calculations
and work on presenting The Truth with Confidence.Hiding the facts won't help you understand the Will of God.
Nothing but continuous distractions from you, huh?“The Bible”=63 because it's the word of “YHVH”=63!
The Divine=63 Deity=63 of The Bible=63 is YHVH=63.'quran book'=114 (Click Here)
.
When have you ever picked up a bible and it said “The Bible”Since you have made a definite statement about the Authorized King James Bible. What Does it say on the Cover?
You will see it is always referred to as “The Holy Bible”
You say “The Divine” and yet only say “deity” and what is quran book?
The word Quran means recital so “Al-Quran” means The Recital
You have to leave ignorance far behind and be honest
'al quran'='a moongod'
.Quote (Ed J @ April 22 2010,14:39) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 21 2010,16:04) Quote (Ed J @ April 21 2010,14:51) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 20 2010,20:42) The Holy Bible=123 yet you keep calling it “bible” when “Bible” can pertain to any collection of writings. “The Quran” is never called Quran it is called Al-Quran or The Glorious Quran. You have to stop doing convenient calculations
and work on presenting The Truth with Confidence.Hiding the facts won't help you understand the Will of God.
Nothing but continuous distractions from you, huh?“The Bible”=63 because it's the word of “YHVH”=63!
The Divine=63 Deity=63 of The Bible=63 is YHVH=63.'quran book'=114 (Click Here)
.
When have you ever picked up a bible and it said “The Bible”Since you have made a definite statement about the Authorized King James Bible. What Does it say on the Cover?
You will see it is always referred to as “The Holy Bible”
You say “The Divine” and yet only say “deity” and what is quran book?
The word Quran means recital so “Al-Quran” means The Recital
You have to leave ignorance far behind and be honest
'al quran'='a moongod'
.
Is YHVH not the God of all things including the moon?Quote (bodhitharta @ April 23 2010,15:49) Quote (Ed J @ April 22 2010,14:39) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 21 2010,16:04) Quote (Ed J @ April 21 2010,14:51) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 20 2010,20:42) The Holy Bible=123 yet you keep calling it “bible” when “Bible” can pertain to any collection of writings. “The Quran” is never called Quran it is called Al-Quran or The Glorious Quran. You have to stop doing convenient calculations
and work on presenting The Truth with Confidence.Hiding the facts won't help you understand the Will of God.
Nothing but continuous distractions from you, huh?“The Bible”=63 because it's the word of “YHVH”=63!
The Divine=63 Deity=63 of The Bible=63 is YHVH=63.'quran book'=114 (Click Here)
.
When have you ever picked up a bible and it said “The Bible”Since you have made a definite statement about the Authorized King James Bible. What Does it say on the Cover?
You will see it is always referred to as “The Holy Bible”
You say “The Divine” and yet only say “deity” and what is quran book?
The word Quran means recital so “Al-Quran” means The Recital
You have to leave ignorance far behind and be honest
'al quran'='a moongod'
.
Is YHVH not the God of all things including the moon?
Hi BD,The 'book of fraud' was satan's doing! (Click Here)
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Quote (Ed J @ April 23 2010,17:08) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 23 2010,15:49) Quote (Ed J @ April 22 2010,14:39) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 21 2010,16:04) Quote (Ed J @ April 21 2010,14:51) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 20 2010,20:42) The Holy Bible=123 yet you keep calling it “bible” when “Bible” can pertain to any collection of writings. “The Quran” is never called Quran it is called Al-Quran or The Glorious Quran. You have to stop doing convenient calculations
and work on presenting The Truth with Confidence.Hiding the facts won't help you understand the Will of God.
Nothing but continuous distractions from you, huh?“The Bible”=63 because it's the word of “YHVH”=63!
The Divine=63 Deity=63 of The Bible=63 is YHVH=63.'quran book'=114 (Click Here)
.
When have you ever picked up a bible and it said “The Bible”Since you have made a definite statement about the Authorized King James Bible. What Does it say on the Cover?
You will see it is always referred to as “The Holy Bible”
You say “The Divine” and yet only say “deity” and what is quran book?
The word Quran means recital so “Al-Quran” means The Recital
You have to leave ignorance far behind and be honest
'al quran'='a moongod'
.
Is YHVH not the God of all things including the moon?
Hi BD,The 'book of fraud' was satan's doing! (Click Here)
.
You know ED,You have to believe the way you do because that is where your development places your understanding.
I asked you was YHVH the God of the Moon and everything else and you couldn't even give YHVH the credit for His own creation not to mention you believe that Satan is the god of “this” world.
Now I will ask you again who is the God of THIS world and who is the God of the Moon?
Quote (bodhitharta @ April 24 2010,09:54) Quote (Ed J @ April 23 2010,17:08) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 23 2010,15:49) Quote (Ed J @ April 22 2010,14:39) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 21 2010,16:04) Quote (Ed J @ April 21 2010,14:51) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 20 2010,20:42) The Holy Bible=123 yet you keep calling it “bible” when “Bible” can pertain to any collection of writings. “The Quran” is never called Quran it is called Al-Quran or The Glorious Quran. You have to stop doing convenient calculations
and work on presenting The Truth with Confidence.Hiding the facts won't help you understand the Will of God.
Nothing but continuous distractions from you, huh?“The Bible”=63 because it's the word of “YHVH”=63!
The Divine=63 Deity=63 of The Bible=63 is YHVH=63.'quran book'=114 (Click Here)
.
When have you ever picked up a bible and it said “The Bible”Since you have made a definite statement about the Authorized King James Bible. What Does it say on the Cover?
You will see it is always referred to as “The Holy Bible”
You say “The Divine” and yet only say “deity” and what is quran book?
The word Quran means recital so “Al-Quran” means The Recital
You have to leave ignorance far behind and be honest
'al quran'='a moongod'
.
Is YHVH not the God of all things including the moon?
Hi BD,The 'book of fraud' was satan's doing! (Click Here)
.
You know ED,You have to believe the way you do because that is where your development places your understanding.
I asked you was YHVH the God of the Moon and everything else and you couldn't even give YHVH the credit for His own creation not to mention you believe that Satan is the god of “this” world.
Now I will ask you again who is the God of THIS world and who is the God of the Moon?
Hi BD,Are you that unfamiliar with God?
Jer. 10:11: Thus shall ye say unto them, The gods that have not made the heavens and the earth,
even they shall perish from the earth, and from under these heavens.God put man in control of Earth…
Gen:1:26: And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea,
and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.But man gave control over to satan.
Luke 4:6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them:
for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.Why do you relinquish control to satan as well?
2Cor.4:3: But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom 'the god'(satan) of this world
hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ,
who is the image of God, should shine unto them(BD and the like)..
Quote (Ed J @ April 24 2010,12:51) Quote
You know ED,You have to believe the way you do because that is where your development places your understanding.
I asked you was YHVH the God of the Moon and everything else and you couldn't even give YHVH the credit for His own creation not to mention you believe that Satan is the god of “this” world.
Now I will ask you again who is the God of THIS world and who is the God of the Moon?
Hi BD,Quote Are you that unfamiliar with God?
Jer. 10:11: Thus shall ye say unto them, The gods that have not made the heavens and the earth,
even they shall perish from the earth, and from under these heavens.This is speaking of Idols, there are no True god's except one:
And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:
Mark 12:31-33Quote God put man in control of Earth…
Gen:1:26: And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea,
and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.True
Quote But man gave control over to satan.
Luke 4:6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them:
for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.Luke 4:7-8 (King James Version)
7If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine.
8And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan(ED): for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
I ask you do youbelieve that Satan was the God of Job because he was given power over him?
Quote
Why do you relinquish control to satan as well?
2Cor.4:3: But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom 'the god'(satan) of this world
hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ,
who is the image of God, should shine unto them(BD and the like).That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.
Mark 4:11-13For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
Matthew 13:14-16Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed.
Isaiah 6:9-11Now who is doing the blinding is it Satan the one you call “God” or is it the TRUE GOD.
Was Satan(the one you call god) really in control of Job's life or was it God Almighty who was always in Control of Job's life.
You severely lack knowledge and understanding:
Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:
Isaiah 42:4-6Your level of understanding is still polytheistic you must focus on being monotheistic to advance further:
Matthew 10:29-31 (King James Version)
29Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father.
30But the very hairs of your head are all numbered.
31Fear ye not therefore, ye are of more value than many sparrows.
Stop giving Satan powers and titles that do not belong to him
WORSHIP God/YHVH/ALLAH/JEHOVAH/CREATOR….
Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 29 2010,13:26) Quote (942767 @ Jan. 29 2010,13:07) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 29 2010,12:13) Why is it so important for Christians to deny Muhammad Prophethood? Is there any scripture in the Bible that says Christ is the Final Prophet?
Hi BD:Jesus is the head of the church at the right hand of God our Father, and without his death, burial and resurrection there is no resurrection from the dead.
And since the teaching of the Quran denies that Jesus is the only begotten Son of God, and because the Quran denies the death of Jesus by crucifixion, his burial and resurrection, Muhammad cannot have been sent by God.
God could not have said one thing in the bible and another in the Quran, and that is why Christians cannot accept that Muhammad was a true prophet of God.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Did God say in the Old Testament that Jesus would be the last prophet?Does the Old testament say that hrist would rise from the dead?
Also did Jesus say in the gospels that the law was a curse or that the law would end?
Paul said something different didn't he?
In the Old testament or more precisely the Torah says that circumcision is a physical sign of the covenant of Abraham forever.
Paul says it doesn't mean anything now isn't that completely opposite to what God Said? Forever doesn't mean until Paul comes does it?
Is there also mention in the Torah about a crucified Messiah?
Shaul (Paul) was not only an Israelite from the tribe of Benjamin, but he was alo a Pharisee. Just like the Pharisees of this day, the Jewish Rabbis, who study TORAH and memorize it, so Shaul xat at the feet of Gamliel a famous Pharisee to this day!Shaul did not teach contrary to the TORAH, as we know that is what the Pharisees claimed Yahushua the Messiah did.
Shaul taught the heart of the TORAH, just as Yahuhua the Messiah did.
Shaul did not teach that circumcision of the flesh was wrong, he said that circumcision of the flesh was in keeping to the letter of the TORAH.
Shaul said that we are to be like Abraham, a forerunner of our belief. Abraham was not circumcised in the flesh until AFTER his heart was circumcised!
When Abraham left Babylon to obey YHWH Elohim, his heart was circumcised. It was not until afterward that YHWH commanded Abraham to circumcise his flesh and the flesh of his children, as a symbol of the heart being circumcised. And so it is that circumcision remains a symbol of that covenant to this day.
About Mohammed, i can only answer for myself. Christainity teaches that to be an official religion, a church must have a prophet. The SDA's think the Ellen White was a prophet, so they claim they are a valid church. Other churches have their own prophets.
But according to Scripture, YHWH ELohim promised Mosheh in the wilderness that He would send “a Prophet” whom the children of Yisra'el MUST obey. This Prophet was and is the Messiah Yahushua.
How am i sure about this?
Yahushua fulfilled the Spring Feasts, and when He returns to destroy all the evil on the planet when the grave and death are no more, then ALL will know it.Until that day, the grapes will be trodden on, and the blood of those grapes will be shed, and more so as the day draws near, and the whore and her daughters will feel the labor pains of their anti-messiah whom they hope will deliver them, but he will not, because he is not.
Quote (Laurel @ April 25 2010,09:03) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 29 2010,13:26) Quote (942767 @ Jan. 29 2010,13:07) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 29 2010,12:13) Why is it so important for Christians to deny Muhammad Prophethood? Is there any scripture in the Bible that says Christ is the Final Prophet?
Hi BD:Jesus is the head of the church at the right hand of God our Father, and without his death, burial and resurrection there is no resurrection from the dead.
And since the teaching of the Quran denies that Jesus is the only begotten Son of God, and because the Quran denies the death of Jesus by crucifixion, his burial and resurrection, Muhammad cannot have been sent by God.
God could not have said one thing in the bible and another in the Quran, and that is why Christians cannot accept that Muhammad was a true prophet of God.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Did God say in the Old Testament that Jesus would be the last prophet?Does the Old testament say that hrist would rise from the dead?
Also did Jesus say in the gospels that the law was a curse or that the law would end?
Paul said something different didn't he?
In the Old testament or more precisely the Torah says that circumcision is a physical sign of the covenant of Abraham forever.
Paul says it doesn't mean anything now isn't that completely opposite to what God Said? Forever doesn't mean until Paul comes does it?
Is there also mention in the Torah about a crucified Messiah?
Shaul (Paul) was not only an Israelite from the tribe of Benjamin, but he was alo a Pharisee. Just like the Pharisees of this day, the Jewish Rabbis, who study TORAH and memorize it, so Shaul xat at the feet of Gamliel a famous Pharisee to this day!Shaul did not teach contrary to the TORAH, as we know that is what the Pharisees claimed Yahushua the Messiah did.
Shaul taught the heart of the TORAH, just as Yahuhua the Messiah did.
Shaul did not teach that circumcision of the flesh was wrong, he said that circumcision of the flesh was in keeping to the letter of the TORAH.
Shaul said that we are to be like Abraham, a forerunner of our belief. Abraham was not circumcised in the flesh until AFTER his heart was circumcised!
When Abraham left Babylon to obey YHWH Elohim, his heart was circumcised. It was not until afterward that YHWH commanded Abraham to circumcise his flesh and the flesh of his children, as a symbol of the heart being circumcised. And so it is that circumcision remains a symbol of that covenant to this day.
About Mohammed, i can only answer for myself. Christainity teaches that to be an official religion, a church must have a prophet. The SDA's think the Ellen White was a prophet, so they claim they are a valid church. Other churches have their own prophets.
But according to Scripture, YHWH ELohim promised Mosheh in the wilderness that He would send “a Prophet” whom the children of Yisra'el MUST obey. This Prophet was and is the Messiah Yahushua.
How am i sure about this?
Yahushua fulfilled the Spring Feasts, and when He returns to destroy all the evil on the planet when the grave and death are no more, then ALL will know it.Until that day, the grapes will be trodden on, and the blood of those grapes will be shed, and more so as the day draws near, and the whore and her daughters will feel the labor pains of their anti-messiah whom they hope will deliver them, but he will not, because he is not.
I don't find a reason to dispute directly anything you are saying here. The fact is the children of Israel were supposed to obey Jesus as he is The Christ sent to them.Jesus was also to be a light unto the gentiles, in-fact Judaism is supposed to be a light unto the gentiles as Salvation comes by way of the Jew.
Now Muhammad was certainly preaching that Jesus is The Christ so he should be and should have always been accepted by Christians.
Quote (bodhitharta @ April 25 2010,04:16) Now who is doing the blinding is it Satan the one you call “God”… Was Satan(the one you call god) really in control…
You severely lack knowledge and understanding:Stop giving Satan powers and titles that do not belong to him
Quote (Ed J @ April 25 2010,11:53) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 25 2010,04:16) Now who is doing the blinding is it Satan the one you call “God”… Was Satan(the one you call god) really in control…
You severely lack knowledge and understanding:Stop giving Satan powers and titles that do not belong to him
The only thing you should have noticed was he called your system witchcraft.Also the presenter was ignorant you cannot take symbols of one language and assign them a foreign meaning.
Walid Shoebat was born in Beit Sahour in the occupied terroritories/Palestine; he was purportedly engaged in a terrorist action, he was imprisoned, and upon his release he converted to Christianity and became an ardent zionist.
I do not know that Mohamed taught that Yahushua was a prophet, and that the gentiles/lost sheep of Yisra'el should follow Him. All i know is that Yahushua the Messiah taught TORAH and that the Christians today believe that the TORAH was done away with. So sad!
I know that the Messiah Yahushua kept the commands in TORAH and said that if we loved Him, that we too should “Keep the commands found in the TORAH.”All of this said, :What is a Muslim to me?” And why should i care about someone who is named Mohamed? Who is he to me? I learned that the country rulers of Arabia destroyed all the former writings, so that they could form one book, called the KORAN, so that no man could dispute the beliefs of the “current leaders” durring their reign. Why would i want to follow a man-made religion? That would be like being a Catholic or a Jewish Orthodox. When all i need is the TORAH that which Mosheh wrote, to know the will of the Holy One of Yisra'el. I can look at the “works” of Messiah Yahushua and see that the TORAH is and will be for ever and ever!
I can see for myself that YHWH loves Ishma'el because he heard the cry of Ishma'els mother in the desert. YHWH promised Ishma'el much land. YHWH provided for Ishma'el much like He did for Isaac, only Isaac held the promise of the KINGDOM, and so to be a part of that kingdom, we ALL need to be obedient to YHWH, and not some man-made declaration of independence!
YHWH is Elohim and there is none else among the heavens and in the earth. One day all will know this, and all will come to worship YHWH.
Quote (bodhitharta @ April 25 2010,12:22) Quote (Ed J @ April 25 2010,11:53) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 25 2010,04:16) Now who is doing the blinding is it Satan the one you call “God”… Was Satan(the one you call god) really in control…
You severely lack knowledge and understanding:Stop giving Satan powers and titles that do not belong to him
The only thing you should have noticed was he called your system witchcraft.Also the presenter was ignorant you cannot take symbols of one language and assign them a foreign meaning.
Rom. 2:3 And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things,
and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?
.Hey Ed i see you throw around the “J” word on a pretty regular basis. Is that all you can come up with? You are gonna need to come up with a better defense than this if you want to walk the narrow path.
How will you ever get a point across if all you can come up with is the “J” word?
Are you a Levite or something?
Quote (Laurel @ April 25 2010,14:02) I do not know that Mohamed taught that Yahushua was a prophet, and that the gentiles/lost sheep of Yisra'el should follow Him. All i know is that Yahushua the Messiah taught TORAH and that the Christians today believe that the TORAH was done away with. So sad!
I know that the Messiah Yahushua kept the commands in TORAH and said that if we loved Him, that we too should “Keep the commands found in the TORAH.”All of this said, :What is a Muslim to me?” And why should i care about someone who is named Mohamed? Who is he to me? I learned that the country rulers of Arabia destroyed all the former writings, so that they could form one book, called the KORAN, so that no man could dispute the beliefs of the “current leaders” durring their reign. Why would i want to follow a man-made religion? That would be like being a Catholic or a Jewish Orthodox. When all i need is the TORAH that which Mosheh wrote, to know the will of the Holy One of Yisra'el. I can look at the “works” of Messiah Yahushua and see that the TORAH is and will be for ever and ever!
I can see for myself that YHWH loves Ishma'el because he heard the cry of Ishma'els mother in the desert. YHWH promised Ishma'el much land. YHWH provided for Ishma'el much like He did for Isaac, only Isaac held the promise of the KINGDOM, and so to be a part of that kingdom, we ALL need to be obedient to YHWH, and not some man-made declaration of independence!
YHWH is Elohim and there is none else among the heavens and in the earth. One day all will know this, and all will come to worship YHWH.
Your post was very well stated. The Quran is fully supportive of The Torah and The Gospel. The issue is not about what is accepted but why something is not accepted. We know that the Torah was given to Moses and that it was proof for a People in his day and so it also was with Christ Jesus and so Muhammad was given The Quran to guide those who were Pagan and Polytheistic to Worship God and so those who were lost in the deserts found God and became Monotheistic in the midst of Christians preaching a “Triune god” God is ONE.So it was essential for God to send down the Guidance called the Quran which showed amongst other things that ALL mankind and not just the Jews were created to worship GOD.
Islam when understood properly has restored TRUE and Perfect MONOTHEISM to Mankind.
To say ALLAH is to say “THE GOD” in Islam there are no gods or mention of gods because that is a perverted Idea. Even the word Elohim has been misunderstood because of it's plural nature but it simply means POWERS as in the “Powers that BE”.
Many Christians have perverted the usage and attributed it to meaning a trinity from the beginning and there is no trinity there is ONLY GOD and NO ONE else.
If You SUBMIT to YHWH then you are a MUSLIM(Submitter) do not let words cloud a very important issue. If you were Muhammad and went to preach SUBMISSION to GOD to anyone in that language you would use the word that pertained to Submission.
Languages are for communication and meaning is for understanding so would you ever say that you are not a Submitter to God? If you would never say that then you can never say that you are not a Muslim except it be out of ignorance or ego.
In german= Beschwerdeführer
In dutch= indiener
in french=émetteur
المرسل
השולח
Quote (Ed J @ April 25 2010,16:23) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 25 2010,12:22) Quote (Ed J @ April 25 2010,11:53) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 25 2010,04:16) Now who is doing the blinding is it Satan the one you call “God”… Was Satan(the one you call god) really in control…
You severely lack knowledge and understanding:Stop giving Satan powers and titles that do not belong to him
The only thing you should have noticed was he called your system witchcraft.Also the presenter was ignorant you cannot take symbols of one language and assign them a foreign meaning.
Rom. 2:3 And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things,
and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?
.
It is a form of divining ED but the point was you pointed me to listen to someone that disregards you, it just doesn't make any sense its like when you tried to agree with an Atheist to bring some validity to your cause it makes no sense.Quote (bodhitharta @ April 26 2010,08:36) Quote (Ed J @ April 25 2010,16:23) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 25 2010,12:22) Quote (Ed J @ April 25 2010,11:53) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 25 2010,04:16) Now who is doing the blinding is it Satan the one you call “God”… Was Satan(the one you call god) really in control…
You severely lack knowledge and understanding:Stop giving Satan powers and titles that do not belong to him
The only thing you should have noticed was he called your system witchcraft.Also the presenter was ignorant you cannot take symbols of one language and assign them a foreign meaning.
Rom. 2:3 And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things,
and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?
.
It is a form of divining ED but the point was you pointed me to listen to someone that disregards you, it just doesn't make any sense its like when you tried to agree with an Atheist to bring some validity to your cause it makes no sense.
Hi BD,I don't care how many people tell others to disregard me,
but they can't disregard my God: “YHVH”!You seem to overlook the guy on the video is telling everyone…'your god is a fake'.
.
Quote (bodhitharta @ April 26 2010,08:34) Quote (Laurel @ April 25 2010,14:02) I do not know that Mohamed taught that Yahushua was a prophet, and that the gentiles/lost sheep of Yisra'el should follow Him. All i know is that Yahushua the Messiah taught TORAH and that the Christians today believe that the TORAH was done away with. So sad!
I know that the Messiah Yahushua kept the commands in TORAH and said that if we loved Him, that we too should “Keep the commands found in the TORAH.”All of this said, :What is a Muslim to me?” And why should i care about someone who is named Mohamed? Who is he to me? I learned that the country rulers of Arabia destroyed all the former writings, so that they could form one book, called the KORAN, so that no man could dispute the beliefs of the “current leaders” durring their reign. Why would i want to follow a man-made religion? That would be like being a Catholic or a Jewish Orthodox. When all i need is the TORAH that which Mosheh wrote, to know the will of the Holy One of Yisra'el. I can look at the “works” of Messiah Yahushua and see that the TORAH is and will be for ever and ever!
I can see for myself that YHWH loves Ishma'el because he heard the cry of Ishma'els mother in the desert. YHWH promised Ishma'el much land. YHWH provided for Ishma'el much like He did for Isaac, only Isaac held the promise of the KINGDOM, and so to be a part of that kingdom, we ALL need to be obedient to YHWH, and not some man-made declaration of independence!
YHWH is Elohim and there is none else among the heavens and in the earth. One day all will know this, and all will come to worship YHWH.
Your post was very well stated. The Quran is fully supportive of The Torah and The Gospel. The issue is not about what is accepted but why something is not accepted. We know that the Torah was given to Moses and that it was proof for a People in his day and so it also was with Christ Jesus and so Muhammad was given The Quran to guide those who were Pagan and Polytheistic to Worship God and so those who were lost in the deserts found God and became Monotheistic in the midst of Christians preaching a “Triune god” God is ONE.So it was essential for God to send down the Guidance called the Quran which showed amongst other things that ALL mankind and not just the Jews were created to worship GOD.
Islam when understood properly has restored TRUE and Perfect MONOTHEISM to Mankind.
To say ALLAH is to say “THE GOD” in Islam there are no gods or mention of gods because that is a perverted Idea. Even the word Elohim has been misunderstood because of it's plural nature but it simply means POWERS as in the “Powers that BE”.
Many Christians have perverted the usage and attributed it to meaning a trinity from the beginning and there is no trinity there is ONLY GOD and NO ONE else.
If You SUBMIT to YHWH then you are a MUSLIM(Submitter) do not let words cloud a very important issue. If you were Muhammad and went to preach SUBMISSION to GOD to anyone in that language you would use the word that pertained to Submission.
Languages are for communication and meaning is for understanding so would you ever say that you are not a Submitter to God? If you would never say that then you can never say that you are not a Muslim except it be out of ignorance or ego.
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I'll take your comment bit by bit and reply to each thought separately.You said the quran is fully supportive of the Torah and the Gospel.
I read the book called “the cow” and i saw somewhat similar stories about Adam and Chaua being the first man and woman, but i also saw much hatred toward christians and jews in that book and i remember something about, “if you see a jew behind a rock to kill him.”
With that being said, i submit to you that although the quran “recognizes” the Torah, that supporting Torah would mean “walking in it.” The word support means to prop up. It is in doing the Torah that we support Torah, and become “submitters” to ET HYH YHWH Elochim of Abraham, like Abraham did.
Now i charge that if those who kept the quran, and the christain religions, that they would keep the 7th day Shabbat, and the Creator's Appointed Feast Days, then i could agree that they are in “support” of Torah.
If these same peoples also knew that YAHUSHUA the MOSHIACH was the Son of Elohim, and not Elohim HIMSELF, and that YAHUSHUA is the one prophet Whom YHWH sent, Whom we must “shooach (bow down) to” then i could say that they also “supported” YHWH who made the Word, and spoke the Torah, and Who formed this Son in the womb of a woman, like He formed Adam from the dust of the adamah (red earth). Because there is only ONE ELOHIM and HIS NAME IS YHWH.
His Name is not god, GOD, El, I Am, LORD, ALLAH, or any other “title” we can place on Him. He actually has a Name that even the Jews refuse to say, and the American christians are blind to by their own Scriptures which were edited to “remove His Set-apart Name.”
You said the issue is not hat is accepted but what is not accepted.
So if what you are saying is true than i can accept everything as good? I know better.
The Torah is forever and ever. The Sabbath was established at creation, as well the Torah. As all things are from the beginning, and when YHWH smote the first animal and clothed them in the garden, He taught them about His Son Yahushua, meaning that YHWH is Salvation, and this is how it comes to us.
Why did muslims need a quran? because Yisra'el FAILED at bring the muslims the True Gospel themselves. And hopefully you will know one day and soon that the Torah is forever, and these are the commands that Abraham kept because it was written in His heart to follow YHWH.
Yisra'el was supposed to go out to the gentiles/pagans/nations with all that YHWH gave them at Siani. Over and over again Yisra'el did not do the will of YHWH but for them it was so much easier to just become a pert of the pagan gentiles and worship the way of the gentiles, which is what “every religion” does today!
If Elohim sent the quran it was for those who wanted to follow a dillusion, much like the doctrines and traditions in the christain church and the takanot and ma'asim of the jews.
Islam has restored nothing! That is like saying that the Torah was not enough and that man needed to interfere with his own rules to make the world a better place, when it has been us, man, all along who has destroyed what was good and right and made wrong into right.
If you agree Torah, then why do you submit to something else? I do not want you to answer me. Just something for you to discuss with our ABBA.
If islam restored anything then why is there murder continually?
We agree the trinity is a man-made doctrine, a doctrine of devils.
Because i submit to YHWH does not make me a Muslim. I am no religion. Following YHWH is a way of life to me, i do not go to church, as there are no true ones in the world today.
שׁוּח to humble oneself, to bow down
Quote (Ed J @ April 26 2010,18:11) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 26 2010,08:36) Quote (Ed J @ April 25 2010,16:23) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 25 2010,12:22) Quote (Ed J @ April 25 2010,11:53) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 25 2010,04:16) Now who is doing the blinding is it Satan the one you call “God”… Was Satan(the one you call god) really in control…
You severely lack knowledge and understanding:Stop giving Satan powers and titles that do not belong to him
The only thing you should have noticed was he called your system witchcraft.Also the presenter was ignorant you cannot take symbols of one language and assign them a foreign meaning.
Rom. 2:3 And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things,
and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?
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It is a form of divining ED but the point was you pointed me to listen to someone that disregards you, it just doesn't make any sense its like when you tried to agree with an Atheist to bring some validity to your cause it makes no sense.
Hi BD,I don't care how many people tell others to disregard me,
but they can't disregard my God: “YHVH”!You seem to overlook the guy on the video is telling everyone…'your god is a fake'.
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There are no “gods” There is only GOD
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