Why don&#39;t christians believe tha god sent muhammad

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If a supposed prophet comes and gives a different view of Jesus, is it not obvious why Mohammed is seen as false?

January 29, 2010 at 4:45 am#174262

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Why is it so important for Christians to deny Muhammad Prophethood? Is there any scripture in the Bible that says Christ is the Final Prophet?

Hi BD:

Jesus is the head of the church at the right hand of God our Father, and without his death, burial and resurrection there is no resurrection from the dead.

God could not have said one thing in the bible and another in the Quran, and that is why Christians cannot accept that Muhammad was a true prophet of God.

Love in Christ,
Marty

Did God say in the Old Testament that Jesus would be the last prophet?

Does the Old testament say that hrist would rise from the dead?

Also did Jesus say in the gospels that the law was a curse or that the law would end?

Paul said something different didn't he?

In the Old testament or more precisely the Torah says that circumcision is a physical sign of the covenant of Abraham forever.

Paul says it doesn't mean anything now isn't that completely opposite to what God Said? Forever doesn't mean until Paul comes does it?

Is there also mention in the Torah about a crucified Messiah?

Hi BD:

We've been over all of these questions of yours before. You wanted to know why Christians will not accept the prophethood of Muhammad, and I told you.

Love in Christ,
Marty

Muslims accept Jesus as Messiah.

What I want to know is where is it in scripture that there wil be no prophet after Jesus.

Hi BD:

There are other prophets under the authority of Jesus, and that will continue until he comes for the church.

And there are, according to scripture, false prophets as well.

Love in Christ,
Marty

Jesus said what constitutes a false prophet can you tell me what that is?

January 29, 2010 at 4:47 am#174263

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If a supposed prophet comes and gives a different view of Jesus, is it not obvious why Mohammed is seen as false?

For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Matthew 24:23-25

For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.
Mark 13:21-23

Doesn't sound like Muhammad

January 29, 2010 at 4:57 am#174266

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If a supposed prophet comes and gives a different view of Jesus, is it not obvious why Mohammed is seen as false?

For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Matthew 24:23-25

For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.
Mark 13:21-23

Doesn't sound like Muhammad

You really are a broken record. You go round and round and say the same stuff over and over.

The Jesus of Islam != the Jesus of Christianity

1Jn 4:1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.
1Jn 4:2 By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God,
1Jn 4:3 and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you heard was coming and now is in the world already.

The Jesus you teach must be the same Jesus of the New Testament, else it is a different Jesus. Not that I care, but at least play by the rules if you're going to play in the fairy world of Abraham's god.

January 29, 2010 at 5:03 am#174267

Ed J

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Jesus said what constitutes a false prophet can you tell me what that is?

1Jn:4:1: Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether
they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

Matt.24:9-11 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted,
and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another,
and shall hate one another. And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

Matt.7:15: Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Rv:20:10: And the devil that deceived them (with the 'book of fraud') was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone,
where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

January 29, 2010 at 5:16 am#174274

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If a supposed prophet comes and gives a different view of Jesus, is it not obvious why Mohammed is seen as false?

For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Matthew 24:23-25

For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.
Mark 13:21-23

Doesn't sound like Muhammad

You really are a broken record. You go round and round and say the same stuff over and over.

The Jesus of Islam != the Jesus of Christianity

All Muslims believe that Jesus is the Christ and came in the FLESH

January 29, 2010 at 5:17 am#174275

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Jesus said what constitutes a false prophet can you tell me what that is?

1Jn:4:1: Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether
they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

Matt.7:15: Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Wouldn't sheeps clothing constitute “one of your own” that seems to believe as you do?

January 29, 2010 at 11:42 am#174293

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All Muslims believe that Jesus is the Christ and came in the FLESH

Not the same Jesus as taught in the Christian bible. You know that but do not want to acknowledge it. You simply want to assert that the Jesus of the Quran is correct although the book was not written until almost 700 years after Jesus supposedly walked the earth. Heck, if that it is the case, then the Islamic Jesus is every bit as valid as the Mormon Jesus and the one described in the Urantia Book.

January 29, 2010 at 5:12 pm#174327

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All Muslims believe that Jesus is the Christ and came in the FLESH

When did you ever see me write “Jesus of the Quran”? To believe that Jesus is The Christ and was sent from God is the Truth.

Any embellishments of this fact is simply overzealousness

As Jesus said:

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Matthew 7:20-22

Doing the Will of ALLAH is the message of Jesus so any message that does not contradict that is suitable but any who teach not to do the will of ALLAH is in error and will not be accepted by Christ

January 29, 2010 at 5:49 pm#174336

Ed J

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Jesus said what constitutes a false prophet can you tell me what that is?

1Jn:4:1: Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether
they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

Matt.7:15: Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

that seems to believe

1John:2:22: Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist,
that denieth the Father([יהוה האלהים](JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm) and the Son([יהשוע] YÄ-shü-ă).

January 29, 2010 at 6:36 pm#174343

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All Muslims believe that Jesus is the Christ and came in the FLESH

When did you ever see me write “Jesus of the Quran”? To believe that Jesus is The Christ and was sent from God is the Truth.

Any embellishments of this fact is simply overzealousness

As Jesus said:

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Matthew 7:20-22

Doing the Will of ALLAH is the message of Jesus so any message that does not contradict that is suitable but any who teach not to do the will of ALLAH is in error and will not be accepted by Christ

Brick wall = BD

You keep saying the same stuff over and over, but you know good and well that the Jesus of the Quran is not the same as the Jesus of the New Testament. Two different personalities with some commonalities. Simply not the same exact Jesus.

January 29, 2010 at 7:16 pm#174349

Ed J

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Brick wall = BD

You keep saying the same stuff over and over, but you know good and well that the Jesus of the Quran is not the same as the Jesus of the New Testament.
Two different personalities with some commonalities. Simply not the same exact Jesus.

Gal:1:8: But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel
unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

Matt.18:16: But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more,
that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.

January 29, 2010 at 10:17 pm#174383

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The Jesus taught in the Quran is different than the bible, in the bible Jesus is the Son of God and in parts of the new testement worship of the Son is allowed, but in the Quran, this is considered wrong. Jesus is considered NOT a Son and no partners are allowed to be with God. Having no partners with God is a big thing in Islam.

January 29, 2010 at 10:20 pm#174384

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Regarding the first question, why dont Christians believe that God sent Mohammad……this is interesting writting:

Latter Day Saints (Mormans)

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Viewing Muhammad from the understanding of the restored gospel provides greater knowledge of Heavenly Father’s love for His children in all nations.

President Hinckley’s emphasis on building interfaith understanding is rooted in fundamental gospel principles—humility, charity, respect for eternal truth, and recognition of God’s love for all mankind—taught by Jesus Christ and by ancient and modern prophets. The Savior repeatedly affirmed Heavenly Father’s boundless concern for the well-being of each of His sons and daughters, as in the parable of the lost sheep (see Luke 15). In the parable of the good Samaritan, He taught that one of the keys to true discipleship is to treat others kindly and compassionately in spite of political, racial, or religious differences (see Luke 10:25–37). He denounced intolerance and rivalry among religious groups and the tendency to extol one’s own virtues and deprecate the spiritual status of others. Addressing a parable to those who “trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others,” Jesus condemned the pride of the Pharisee who prayed, “God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are” and commended the humility of the publican who implored, “God be merciful to me a sinner” (see Luke 18:9–14).

The Book of Mormon teaches that Heavenly Father “is mindful of every people, whatsoever land they may be in; … and his bowels of mercy are over all the earth” (Alma 26:37; see also 1 Ne. 1:14). Because of this love for His children of all nations, the Lord has provided spiritual light to guide and enrich their lives. Elder Orson F. Whitney (1855–1931) of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles observed that God “is using not only his covenant people, but other peoples as well, to consummate a work, stupendous, magnificent, and altogether too arduous for this little handful of Saints to accomplish by and of themselves.” 2

Elder B. H. Roberts (1857–1933) of the Seventy also spoke on this doctrine: “While the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is established for the instruction of men; and it is one of God’s instrumentalities for making known the truth yet he is not limited to that institution for such purposes, neither in time nor place. God raises up wise men and prophets here and there among all the children of men, of their own tongue and nationality, speaking to them through means that they can comprehend. … All the great teachers are servants of God; among all nations and in all ages. They are inspired men, appointed to instruct God’s children according to the conditions in the midst of which he finds them.” 3

confirmation of the Prophet Joseph’s earlier entreaty for tolerance. Unitedly we may respond. Together we may stand, intolerant of transgression but tolerant of neighbors with differences they hold sacred. Our brothers and sisters throughout the world are all children of God.” 8

Latter-day Saint Interest in Muhammad:

One of the noteworthy examples of the Latter-day Saint commitment to treasure up true principles and cultivate affirmative gratitude is the admiration that Church leaders have expressed over the years for the spiritual contributions of Muhammad.

As early as 1855, at a time when Christian literature generally ridiculed Muhammad as the Antichrist and the archenemy of Western civilization, Elders George A. Smith (1817–75) and Parley P. Pratt (1807–57) of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles delivered lengthy sermons demonstrating an accurate and balanced understanding of Islamic history and speaking highly of Muhammad’s leadership. Elder Smith observed that Muhammad was “descended from Abraham and was no doubt raised up by God on purpose” to preach against idolatry. He sympathized with the plight of Muslims, who, like Latter-day Saints, found it difficult “to get an honest history” written about them. Speaking next, Elder Pratt went on to express his admiration for Muhammad’s teachings, asserting that “upon the whole, … [Muslims] have better morals and better institutions than many Christian nations.” 9

Latter-day Saint appreciation of Muhammad’s role in history can also be found in the 1978 First Presidency statement regarding God’s love for all mankind. This declaration specifically mentions Muhammad as one of “the great religious leaders of the world” who received “a portion of God’s light” and affirms that “moral truths were given to [these leaders] by God to enlighten whole nations and to bring a higher level of understanding to individuals.” 10

A cabinet minister in Egypt, aware of the common ground shared by Muslims and Latter-day Saints, once remarked to Elder Howard W. Hunter of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles that “if a bridge is ever built between Christianity and Islam it must be built by the Mormon Church.” 13
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The Teachings of Muhammad

Islamic life revolves around five basic principles that are outlined in general terms in the Qur’an and expounded in the teachings and customs (Arabic, sunna) of Muhammad. These five pillars are the witness of faith, prayer, almsgiving, fasting, and pilgrimage to Mecca. Some examples of Muhammad’s teachings on charitable giving and fasting will illustrate his manner of teaching and his central role in Muslim life.

The principle of almsgiving is designed to care for the poor and to foster empathy in the community of believers. The Qur’an states that charity and compassion, not mechanical observance of rituals, define one’s worthiness in God’s sight (2:177). Muhammad’s sayings clearly teach the practice of charity:

“None of you [truly] believes until he wishes for his brother what he wishes for himself.”

“Each person’s every joint must perform a charity every day the sun comes up: to act justly between two people is a charity; to help a man with his mount, lifting him onto it or hoisting up his belongings onto it is a charity; a good word is a charity; every step you take to prayers is a charity; and removing a harmful thing from the road is charity.”

“Charity extinguishes sin as water extinguishes fire.”

“Smiling to another person is an act of charity.”

“He who sleeps with a full stomach knowing that his neighbor is hungry [is not a believer].” 20

Muslims view fasting as having a dual purpose: to bring about a state of humility and surrender of one’s soul to God, and to foster compassion and care for the poor in the community. Thus, fasting and almsgiving go hand in hand: denying of oneself cannot be complete without giving of oneself.

I was reminded of this principle among Muslims, and the profound influence of Muhammad’s example in their lives, while living in Cairo, Egypt, during the holy month of fasting, Ramadan. 21 My family and I were invited by a Muslim friend, Nabil, to participate in his family’s evening meal in which they broke their fast. As we entered their modest apartment in one of the most impoverished quarters of Cairo, I noticed that one of the rooms was occupied by numerous peasant women (distinguishable by their black clothing) and their children. They were all sitting on the floor with food spread out before them on a cloth, quietly waiting for the call to prayer that marks the end of fasting each day. When I asked if they were his relatives, he replied: “No, I don’t know any of them. It is our habit to invite strangers off the street who cannot afford good food to share our Ramadan meal. We do this because it was one of the customs of our prophet, Muhammad.”

I was deeply moved by my Muslim friend’s unselfishness and compassion for the poor, a
nd humbled by his good example in practicing a principle that I had learned from the Bible years before but had rarely observed: “When thou makest a dinner or a supper, call not thy friends, nor thy brethren, neither thy kinsmen, nor thy rich neighbors; … but when thou makest a feast, call the poor, the maimed, the lame, the blind: and thou shalt be blessed; for they cannot recompense thee” (Luke 14:12–14).

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In a recent meeting with Muslim dignitaries, Elder Neal A. Maxwell of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles focused on the common spiritual heritage of Mormons and Muslims. After quoting a verse from the Qur’an, he observed:

“God is the source of light in heaven and on earth. We share the belief with you. We resist the secular world. We believe with you that life has meaning and purpose. … We revere the institution of the family. … We salute you for your concern for the institution of the family. … Mutual respect, friendship, and love are precious things in today’s world. We feel those emotions for our Islamic brothers and sisters. Love never needs a visa. It crosses over all borders and links generations and cultures.” 23

The Prophet Joseph Smith, in one of his most eloquent pronouncements on tolerance and compassion, encouraged the Saints to expand their vision of the human family, to view people of other faiths and cultures as our Heavenly Father does and not according to the “narrow, contracted notions of men.” He taught that the Father will take complex personal, political, and social circumstances into account at the last day and render final judgment based on a divine, merciful perspective that surpasses our limited human understanding:

“While one portion of the human race is judging and condemning the other without mercy, the Great Parent of the universe looks upon the whole of the human family with a fatherly care and paternal regard; He views them as His offspring, and without any of the contracted feelings that influence the children of men, causes ‘His sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.’ He holds the reins of judgment in His hands; He is a wise Lawgiver, and will judge all men, not according to the narrow, contracted notions of men, but, ‘according to the deeds done in the body whether they be good or evil,’ or whether these deeds were done in England, America, Spain, Turkey, or India. He will judge them, ‘not according to what they have not, but according to what they have,’ those who have lived without law, will be judged without law, and those who have a law, will be judged by that law. We need not doubt the wisdom and intelligence of the Great Jehovah; He will award judgment or mercy to all nations according to their several deserts, their means of obtaining intelligence, the laws by which they are governed, the facilities afforded them of obtaining correct information, and His inscrutable designs in relation to the human family; and when the designs of God shall be made manifest, and the curtain of futurity be withdrawn, we shall all of us eventually have to confess that the Judge of all the earth has done right.” 24

In response to the interfaith dilemma raised by the Church members in Los Angeles, I was grateful to state that we belong to a church that affirms the truths taught by Muhammad and other great teachers, reformers, and religious founders. We recognize the goodness reflected in the lives of those in other religious communities. While we do not compromise revealed eternal truths of the restored gospel, we never espouse an adversarial relationship with other faiths. Rather, in accordance with modern prophetic counsel, we seek to treasure up that which is virtuous and praiseworthy in other faiths and to cultivate an attitude of “affirmative gratitude” toward them. As Latter-day Saints, we believe that it is vital to respect and benefit from the spiritual light found in other religions, while seeking humbly to share the additional measure of eternal truth provided by latter-day revelation.

16. Allah is a contraction of al-ilah, meaning “the God.” It is the word used by all Muslim and Christian Arabs to refer to God and is also employed in Latter-day Saint scripture and practice in the Arabic-speaking world.

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January 29, 2010 at 11:06 pm#174394

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Speaking of Morman

I had an experience regarding Mormanism a couple years back,

I had a book of Morman on a shelf in amongst many other books,

Something got me thinking about Mormanism, probably something id read or seen on tv, so I asked God in prayer if being a Morman was for me, and to please show me if it was.
Very next morning, I went out for my morning coffee where I always sit, and on my seat was I couldnt believe it- The book of Morman with a flower, from my little son. Ha! He had picked it out from amongst all those books and put it there and he said happy mothers day (It wasnt even mothers day). (and its not something he usually did either)

And theres other things that happened too

January 30, 2010 at 1:55 am#174412

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Quote (karmarie @ Jan. 30 2010,10:06)

Speaking of Morman

I had an experience regarding Mormanism a couple years back,

I had a book of Morman on a shelf in amongst many other books,

And theres other things that happened too

I will tell you the deeper someone digs into Christianity the will be led to Islam, I too read the book of Mormon and the books of the Jehovah Witnesses which are Very Islamic in nature. After all of this is when I found Islam because in Islam I was free from the division of all the denominations and could finally embrace the Brotherhood/Sisterhood of all mankind.

So to me quibbling over semantics is a waste of our time.

Why do atheist try to tell believers about what we feel for Jesus when they have relegated the authority and love of Jesus to be meaningless to them.

The fact is I see people like KM as true believers who constantly seeks to find the common ground, this is Islam

January 30, 2010 at 8:47 am#174498