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Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 13 2013,15:25) WHO IS THIS WOMAN CLOTHED WITH THE SUN,
AND 12 STARS ON HER HEAD REV.12:1.This woman was with child,ready to be born.
she gave birth to a man child.1. Who is this woman?
2. Who is the child born out of this woman, to rule all
nations with a rod of iron.3. The child was born and cought up to God,and to his
throne.Can anybody explain; Who is she.
We seem to be vague regarding the bride of christ.
We need to have a deeper look to undestand the whole thing.It is not as simple as you think.
wakeup.
We seem to be wondering off topic.
And no one seem to know the answer,and yet, will disagree,as if they know.1. SHE is Gods woman, that he had introduced to Israel,through the prophet Moses.
The children excepted her for a while, and God was their king,untill they wanted a man as a king.(Saul).2. Israel took over, and corrupted her.
Then God send his son,born out this woman.
He(christ) taught them the gospel of the kingdom.3. Israel refused her,but some do except her.
And this woman which is of christ,because he was the one that taught the gentiles through paul. He is the king now.This is his woman. His teachings.4. She is excepted by the gentiles,but also corrupted.
She is now the **daughter** of the first woman,that gave birth to him.She is the **daughter** of Zion.She is also corrupted in the hands of man.(today).
But Jesus will come back to put her straight,and clean.
And that will be in his 1000yr reign,with his saints as kings and priests.This daughter of Zion is at ease at the moment.
God said; rise up ye woman that are at ease: be troubled,ye careless daughters,give ear unto my speech.LISTEN TO WHAT GOD HAS TO SAYS.YE CARELESS DAUGHTERS.
MANY DAYS AND YE SHALL BE TROUBLED,FOR THE VINTAGE SHALL FAIL,AND THE **GATHERING** SHALL NOT COME.(EMPTY CHURCHES). GOD IS OBVIOUSLY *NOT* HAPPY,WITH HER.
THE LIGHT HAS GONE,CANDLE STICKS WITH NO LIGHT BURNING.Can you see the picture now? The woman,is Gods woman. The daughter belongs to christ.She will be his bride; ones she has been cleansed.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 09 2013,15:58) 4. She is excepted by the gentiles,but also corrupted.
She is now the **daughter** of the first woman,that gave birth to him.She is the **daughter** of Zion.wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,Could you explain this? Hopefully with Scripture?
Peace brother.
Quote (abe @ Feb. 10 2013,11:56) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 09 2013,15:58) 4. She is excepted by the gentiles,but also corrupted.
She is now the **daughter** of the first woman,that gave birth to him.She is the **daughter** of Zion.wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,Could you explain this? Hopefully with Scripture?
Peace brother.
Abe.You know that the gentiles has excepted Jesus and his teachings.
The churches are teaching the gospels,but they also have corrupted the teachings of Christ for own gain.
As we can see today.The true worshippers is christ church,his woman. The true church.His bride.
They are the little flock.The sealed ones.They are the ones that follow the Lamb wheresoever he goes.rev.14:4.They are the ones that are feeding on the flesh of Christ.
John 6:26.27. 54–56.God called the churches women. not woman,because there are many of them;over 3000 churches,or more.
But they will be refined by fire,in the tribulation.
They that have made a definite decision,by taking or not taking the mark of the beast.Up to today,they are all sitting on the fence.
One foot in babylon and the other foot in Zion.
Enjoying both worlds by compromising.Praising God with their lips only,not with their deeds.
In the 1000yrs Christ will take over his woman,and make her pure,and Holy.
I hope this will make it more clear.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 09 2013,17:36) Quote (abe @ Feb. 10 2013,11:56) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 09 2013,15:58) 4. She is excepted by the gentiles,but also corrupted.
She is now the **daughter** of the first woman,that gave birth to him.She is the **daughter** of Zion.wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,Could you explain this? Hopefully with Scripture?
Peace brother.
Abe.You know that the gentiles has excepted Jesus and his teachings.
The churches are teaching the gospels,but they also have corrupted the teachings of Christ for own gain.
As we can see today.The true worshippers is christ church,his woman. The true church.His bride.
They are the little flock.The sealed ones.They are the ones that follow the Lamb wheresoever he goes.rev.14:4.They are the ones that are feeding on the flesh of Christ.
John 6:26.27. 54–56.God called the churches women. not woman,because there are many of them;over 3000 churches,or more.
But they will be refined by fire,in the tribulation.
They that have made a definite decision,by taking or not taking the mark of the beast.Up to today,they are all sitting on the fence.
One foot in babylon and the other foot in Zion.
Enjoying both worlds by compromising.Praising God with their lips only,not with their deeds.
In the 1000yrs Christ will take over his woman,and make her pure,and Holy.
I hope this will make it more clear.
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,What about the Old Testament?
Peace brother.
Quote (abe @ Feb. 07 2013,22:07) 17 And the Dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her Seed, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus. I think that child is the BODY of Christ. FIRSTBORN from the dead. Her SEED.
That is interesting, Abe. But now it doesn't fit with Herod, like the others were explaining.I can't keep up with all of the posts since the last time I posted. I skimmed them, and agree with Ed that we should all quote the scripture ALONG WITH our understanding of what that scriptures teaches, and how it fits into this discussion. (Just posting a bunch of scriptures doesn't always help everyone. You might be seeing some revelation in those words that others of us are overlooking.)
Anyway, moving on at the snail's pace:
We seem to have a general consensus that the twelve stars represent the patriarchs. I'm still thinking and praying on the moon at her feet. I feel like we're all missing something there.
3 Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on his heads.
The dragon is most obviously Satan. What are the seven heads?
Quote (abe @ Feb. 10 2013,14:19) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 09 2013,17:36) Quote (abe @ Feb. 10 2013,11:56) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 09 2013,15:58) 4. She is excepted by the gentiles,but also corrupted.
She is now the **daughter** of the first woman,that gave birth to him.She is the **daughter** of Zion.wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,Could you explain this? Hopefully with Scripture?
Peace brother.
Abe.You know that the gentiles has excepted Jesus and his teachings.
The churches are teaching the gospels,but they also have corrupted the teachings of Christ for own gain.
As we can see today.The true worshippers is christ church,his woman. The true church.His bride.
They are the little flock.The sealed ones.They are the ones that follow the Lamb wheresoever he goes.rev.14:4.They are the ones that are feeding on the flesh of Christ.
John 6:26.27. 54–56.God called the churches women. not woman,because there are many of them;over 3000 churches,or more.
But they will be refined by fire,in the tribulation.
They that have made a definite decision,by taking or not taking the mark of the beast.Up to today,they are all sitting on the fence.
One foot in babylon and the other foot in Zion.
Enjoying both worlds by compromising.Praising God with their lips only,not with their deeds.
In the 1000yrs Christ will take over his woman,and make her pure,and Holy.
I hope this will make it more clear.
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,What about the Old Testament?
Peace brother.
Abe.You know that Gods woman(the old testament) was excepted by israel, but then corrupted by israel.
Thats the reason God had to send his own son.
And they also rejected him.So he had to go to the gentiles,and they accepted the son,but also corrupted Christs teachings His woman.
wakeup.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 10 2013,14:44) Quote (abe @ Feb. 07 2013,22:07) 17 And the Dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her Seed, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus. I think that child is the BODY of Christ. FIRSTBORN from the dead. Her SEED.
That is interesting, Abe. But now it doesn't fit with Herod, like the others were explaining.I can't keep up with all of the posts since the last time I posted. I skimmed them, and agree with Ed that we should all quote the scripture ALONG WITH our understanding of what that scriptures teaches, and how it fits into this discussion. (Just posting a bunch of scriptures doesn't always help everyone. You might be seeing some revelation in those words that others of us are overlooking.)
Anyway, moving on at the snail's pace:
We seem to have a general consensus that the twelve stars represent the patriarchs. I'm still thinking and praying on the moon at her feet. I feel like we're all missing something there.
3 Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on his heads.
The dragon is most obviously Satan. What are the seven heads?
Mike B.The dragon with the 7heads and 10 horns is indeed satan.He tried to kill the baby using king Herod.
His 7heads are his 7 empires.
1.Egypt,2. Assyria, 3 babylon,4.Medo persia, 5.Greecia.
6.Rome, 7.End time Rome(today).
The 8th. is coming and will come out of the 7th.The one world order.The 7th morphing into the 8th.wakeup.
Quote (2besee @ Feb. 10 2013,07:11) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 09 2013,12:03) Quote (abe @ Feb. 09 2013,09:42) Hi Ed, 6A voice of noise from the city, a voice from the temple, a voice of the LORD that rendereth recompence to his enemies.
7Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child.
8Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.
9Shall I bring to the birth, and not cause to bring forth? saith the LORD: shall I cause to bring forth, and shut the womb? saith thy God.
10Rejoice ye with Jerusalem, and be glad with her, all ye that love her: rejoice for joy with her, all ye that mourn for her:
8 Who has heard such a thing? Who has seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? Or shall a nation be BORN at once? For as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.
Gen.1:5 God called the light DAY
Is.52:1 Awake,awake! Put on your strength, O Zion; put on your beautiful garments, O Jerusalem, the holy city! For the uncircumcised and the unclean shall no longer come to you. Shake yourself from the DUST, arise, and sit down, O Jerusalem; loose yourself from the bonds of your neck, O captive daughter of Zion! For thus says the Lord: You have sold yourselves for nothing, and you shall redeemed without money.
Peace brother.
Hi Abe,We know all that; was there a point you were trying to make?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgRead the scriptures presented Ed J, and you may learn something.
Hi 2Besee,I learn from reading the entire bible.
What do YOU think Abe's point is?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 10 2013,14:44) Quote (abe @ Feb. 07 2013,22:07) 17 And the Dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her Seed, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus. I think that child is the BODY of Christ. FIRSTBORN from the dead. Her SEED.
That is interesting, Abe. But now it doesn't fit with Herod, like the others were explaining.I can't keep up with all of the posts since the last time I posted. I skimmed them, and agree with Ed that we should all quote the scripture ALONG WITH our understanding of what that scriptures teaches, and how it fits into this discussion. (Just posting a bunch of scriptures doesn't always help everyone. You might be seeing some revelation in those words that others of us are overlooking.)
Anyway, moving on at the snail's pace:
We seem to have a general consensus that the twelve stars represent the patriarchs. I'm still thinking and praying on the moon at her feet. I feel like we're all missing something there.
3 Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on his heads.
The dragon is most obviously Satan. What are the seven heads?
Hi Mike,I explained that in this thread… (The Red Dragon)
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Wakeup @ Feb. 09 2013,22:29) Mike B. The dragon with the 7heads and 10 horns is indeed satan.He tried to kill the baby using king Herod.
Okay. This doesn't line up with Abe's understanding of “born from the dead”, but let's continue on.4 His tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth.
What does “a third of the stars” represent?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 11 2013,05:13) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 09 2013,22:29) Mike B. The dragon with the 7heads and 10 horns is indeed satan.He tried to kill the baby using king Herod.
Okay. This doesn't line up with Abe's understanding of “born from the dead”, but let's continue on.4 His tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth.
What does “a third of the stars” represent?
Hi Mike,Angels
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi Mike,
These kinds of studies are good and you are really helping my friend.
We need to do it this way on many more topics! This formula works!Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org“How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!
how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars(Angels) of God:
I will sit also upon the mount of the [Physical] congregation(see 2Thess.2:3-4),
in the sides of the north:” (Isaiah 14:12-13)“Great is the LORD, and greatly to be praised in the [Holy City] of our God, in the mountain
of his holiness. Beautiful for situation, the joy of the whole earth, is mount Zion,
on the sides of the north, the city of the great King.
God is known in her palaces for a refuge.” (Psalms 48:1-3)God is known in her palaces for a refuge
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 11 2013,05:13) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 09 2013,22:29) Mike B. The dragon with the 7heads and 10 horns is indeed satan.He tried to kill the baby using king Herod.
Okay. This doesn't line up with Abe's understanding of “born from the dead”, but let's continue on.4 His tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth.
What does “a third of the stars” represent?
Mike B.REv12:7.8.9.
There was war in heaven:
Before Christ was reurrected satan and is angels are still free roaming heaven and earth.
But after the child was taken up and sit next to the Father.Chrrist started cleaning up heaven,and cast satan and his angels down to earth. He mentioned that in Luke.
Luke 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
One third of the angels in heaven followed satan.
(it suppose to read a third part of the angels IN HEAVEN,NOT OF THE SKY).
So satan and his angels can not enter heaven anymore. they are cast *IN* THE EARTH.
The earth is created for us,so they inhabit the underworld, that is their base.They can roam around the earth to do satans work.
wakeup.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 11 2013,05:13) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 09 2013,22:29) Mike B. The dragon with the 7heads and 10 horns is indeed satan.He tried to kill the baby using king Herod.
Okay. This doesn't line up with Abe's understanding of “born from the dead”, but let's continue on.4 His tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth.
What does “a third of the stars” represent?
Hi Mike,They are Satan's angels.
Here's something interesting…
Some years back I got my brother to do some math for me on his computer…It had to do with that scripture that says about the Lords angels…10 thousand times 10 thousand times a thousand and thousands….
We came up with an estimate of angels….100 trillion!!
A third was 33 trillion fallen angels
Divide that by 7 billion humans and we roughly got 10 fallen angels to every person on the planet!!Like I said but….rough estimate…
Just thought you might like that one….like I did.
Cheers.
Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 10 2013,11:20) “How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!
how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars(Angels) of God:
I will sit also upon the mount of the [Physical] congregation(see 2Thess.2:3-4),
in the sides of the north:” (Isaiah 14:12-13)“Great is the LORD, and greatly to be praised in the [Holy City] of our God, in the mountain
of his holiness. Beautiful for situation, the joy of the whole earth, is mount Zion,
on the sides of the north, the city of the great King.
God is known in her palaces for a refuge.” (Psalms 48:1-3)God is known in her palaces for a refuge
Hi Ed,I have done research on the Word Zion I think in English it means DRY .
Gen.1:10 And God called the DRY earth.
Can you help me??
Peace brother.
Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 10 2013,11:10) Hi Mike, These kinds of studies are good and you are really helping my friend.
We need to do it this way on many more topics! This formula works!Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
A M E N .Peace……
Quote (Devolution @ Feb. 10 2013,15:56) We came up with an estimate of angels….100 trillion!!
A third was 33 trillion fallen angels.Divide that by 7 billion humans and we roughly got 10 fallen angels to every person on the planet!!
But on the plus side, it means there are 66 trillion GOOD angels. Which means the good angels who help to protect us outnumber the bad ones who aim to cause us harm by 2 to 1!Okay. I concur that the stars are Satan's angels.
The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that he might devour her child the moment it was born.
I've heard that this was attempted via Herod. Abe, what do you say? At what point was Satan waiting to devour Jesus?Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 11 2013,08:53) Mike B. (it suppose to read a third part of the angels IN HEAVEN,NOT OF THE SKY).
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,Yes my friend, the newer translations have much perversion;
making it hard for the reader to glean God's truth out of them.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
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