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I wouldn't say it was the ONLY logical interpretation, Ed. But it surely is A logical one.
I'm feeling that there is something more about that moon. I will pray on it.
And what about the twelve stars? Tribes of Israel? Or Apostles?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 07 2013,10:51) I wouldn't say it was the ONLY logical interpretation, Ed. But it surely is A logical one. I'm feeling that there is something more about that moon. I will pray on it.
And what about the twelve stars? Tribes of Israel? Or Apostles?
Mike B.The apostles were not before Christ birth,but the 12 tribes yes.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 07 2013,05:58) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 07 2013,10:51) I wouldn't say it was the ONLY logical interpretation, Ed. But it surely is A logical one. I'm feeling that there is something more about that moon. I will pray on it.
And what about the twelve stars? Tribes of Israel? Or Apostles?
Mike B.The apostles were not before Christ birth,but the 12 tribes yes.
wakeup.
the twelve stars could be the Patriarchs and prophets chosen by God,Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 07 2013,10:58) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 07 2013,10:51) I wouldn't say it was the ONLY logical interpretation, Ed. But it surely is A logical one. I'm feeling that there is something more about that moon. I will pray on it.
And what about the twelve stars? Tribes of Israel? Or Apostles?
Mike B.The apostles were not before Christ birth,but the 12 tribes yes.
wakeup.
Mike B.Genesis 37:9 And he dreamed yet another dream, and told it his brethren, and said, Behold, I have dreamed a dream more; and, behold, the sun and the moon and the eleven stars made obeisance to me.
Genesis 37:10 And he told it to his father, and to his brethren: and his father rebuked him, and said unto him, What is this dream that thou hast dreamed? Shall I and thy mother and thy brethren indeed come to bow down ourselves to thee to the earth?
Father=sun. mother=moon. sons=stars.
wakeup.
Hi All,
I was WRONG concerning the crown of 12 stars.
The crown has to be the Patriarchs, I now see why & at last fully agree with Wakeup…it can't be the Apostles.
This has reminded me NOT to consider something complete hastily just because the picture was revealed, fine details…don't neglect the fine details just because the greater picture is understood…and I usually over analyse everything!!
But alas, this one point was not for me to settle.I accept that & praise The Lord.
Good job Wakeup!!I agree that the twelve stars are the patriarchs. But doesn't that lend credence to the claim that the woman is the nation of Israel itself?
After all, Jesus was born out of that nation, as a descendent of David. (Deuteronomy 18:15,18; Micah 5:2) And that nation was supposed to represent the goodness and righteousness of God from the time He personally claimed “her” as His own inheritance from among the nations of the earth. (Exodus 19:5, Deuteronomy 4:20) They were to be to Him a “kingdom of priests and a holy nation”. (Exodus 19:6)
Quote (Devolution @ Feb. 07 2013,06:48) This has reminded me NOT to consider something complete hastily just because the picture was revealed……….
See? There is a method to my madness after all. There is a valid reason for me taking this discussion one small point at a time – almost at a snail's pace. It was originally so I could wrap my head around things as we went. But the snail's pace seems to have helped you as well.Well done.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 08 2013,10:31) Quote (Devolution @ Feb. 07 2013,06:48) This has reminded me NOT to consider something complete hastily just because the picture was revealed……….
See? There is a method to my madness after all. There is a valid reason for me taking this discussion one small point at a time – almost at a snail's pace. It was originally so I could wrap my head around things as we went. But the snail's pace seems to have helped you as well.Well done.
Mike B.You must think spiritually,not physically regarding this woman.
This woman comes from above,and she is Holy heavenly Jesrusalem(CITY OF PEACE). Again spiritually.
God has brought her down to physical israel the 12 tribes. God was their king untill they chose saul in his stead.
They have corrupted this woman in their hands.
God send his own SON to make straight the road,and to restore.
He came out of that same woman in heaven.
To day ,the teachings comes through the son.
He will build UP his woman(THE DAUGHTER OF THE FIRST WOMAN OF WHICH HE CAME OUT OF)CHRIST; HIS CHURCH WILL BE HIS BRIDE.(SPIRITUALLY).and she is the *daughter* of the first woman.
***GODS WOMAN IS JERUSALEM;**THE CITY OF PEACE**.
————-
**SATANS WOMAN IS GREAT BABYLON THE CITY OF SIN.
WHERE ALL THE SINFULL PEOPLE DWELL IN**.We are living in babylon; but **NOT OF** babylon.
*Spiritully* we are dwelling in heavenly Jerusalem.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 07 2013,18:09) Mike B. You must think spiritually,not physically regarding this woman.
This kind of comment doesn't help anyone, Wakeup. Surely you don't believe that I think the nation of Israel is PHYSICALLY a woman, right? So I would have to be thinking spiritually, or at the very least metaphorically – whether I believe the woman is Israel OR heavenly Jerusalem, right?Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 07 2013,18:09) This woman comes from above……..
Perhaps. What scripture tells us this fact? I know John says the sign was “in heaven” – but where else would it be – since HE was “in heaven” at the time?Wakeup, please don't get defensive. I'm planning to go through each verse, one point at a time, to get to the bottom of this. You can't “strongarm” me into believing it your way just because you insist. Instead, TEACH me from the scriptures that it is the way you say.
So far, the scripture Abe posted lends the best support to the woman being heavenly Jerusalem. All other things (so far) seem to be pointing to the woman being Israel.
Now, I have listed some valid points, and the scriptures that support those points, in my last post. Were you going to address those points? Or just blow them off to spoon-feed me YOUR interpretation?
(I'm not trying to come off as a jerk here, but let's have a serious discussion that addresses all the points. Only let's keep doing it at a snail's pace, if you don't mind.)
peace,
mikeQuote (terraricca @ Feb. 07 2013,14:02) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 07 2013,05:58) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 07 2013,10:51) I wouldn't say it was the ONLY logical interpretation, Ed. But it surely is A logical one. I'm feeling that there is something more about that moon. I will pray on it.
And what about the twelve stars? Tribes of Israel? Or Apostles?
Mike B.The apostles were not before Christ birth,but the 12 tribes yes.
wakeup.
the twelve stars could be the Patriarchs and prophets chosen by God,
Terra.Good thinking, but if we go to rev21.
The 12 gates are the 12 tribes of israel.?
The gates are where we go through,to come into Gods teachings; starting with israel.wakeup.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 08 2013,12:00) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 07 2013,18:09) Mike B. You must think spiritually,not physically regarding this woman.
This kind of comment doesn't help anyone, Wakeup. Surely you don't believe that I think the nation of Israel is PHYSICALLY a woman, right? So I would have to be thinking spiritually, or at the very least metaphorically – whether I believe the woman is Israel OR heavenly Jerusalem, right?Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 07 2013,18:09) This woman comes from above……..
Perhaps. What scripture tells us this fact? I know John says the sign was “in heaven” – but where else would it be – since HE was “in heaven” at the time?Wakeup, please don't get defensive. I'm planning to go through each verse, one point at a time, to get to the bottom of this. You can't “strongarm” me into believing it your way just because you insist. Instead, TEACH me from the scriptures that it is the way you say.
So far, the scripture Abe posted lends the best support to the woman being heavenly Jerusalem. All other things (so far) seem to be pointing to the woman being Israel.
Now, I have listed some valid points, and the scriptures that support those points, in my last post. Were you going to address those points? Or just blow them off to spoon-feed me YOUR interpretation?
(I'm not trying to come off as a jerk here, but let's have a serious discussion that addresses all the points. Only let's keep doing it at a snail's pace, if you don't mind.)
peace,
mike
Mike B.It seems that you have totally misunderstood my intensions,by seeing the negative side. of things.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 07 2013,17:57) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 08 2013,12:00) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 07 2013,18:09) Mike B. You must think spiritually,not physically regarding this woman.
This kind of comment doesn't help anyone, Wakeup. Surely you don't believe that I think the nation of Israel is PHYSICALLY a woman, right? So I would have to be thinking spiritually, or at the very least metaphorically – whether I believe the woman is Israel OR heavenly Jerusalem, right?Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 07 2013,18:09) This woman comes from above……..
Perhaps. What scripture tells us this fact? I know John says the sign was “in heaven” – but where else would it be – since HE was “in heaven” at the time?Wakeup, please don't get defensive. I'm planning to go through each verse, one point at a time, to get to the bottom of this. You can't “strongarm” me into believing it your way just because you insist. Instead, TEACH me from the scriptures that it is the way you say.
So far, the scripture Abe posted lends the best support to the woman being heavenly Jerusalem. All other things (so far) seem to be pointing to the woman being Israel.
Now, I have listed some valid points, and the scriptures that support those points, in my last post. Were you going to address those points? Or just blow them off to spoon-feed me YOUR interpretation?
(I'm not trying to come off as a jerk here, but let's have a serious discussion that addresses all the points. Only let's keep doing it at a snail's pace, if you don't mind.)
peace,
mike
Mike B.It seems that you have totally misunderstood my intensions,by seeing the negative side. of things.
wakeup.
Hi Mike and Wakeup,I think the mother brought forth this child, from the dead.
Jn.16:7-11 Nevertheless I tell you the truth. It is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away. The Helper will not come to you; but if I depart, I will send him to you. And when he has come. He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of Judgement, of sin, because they do not believe in me: of righteousness, because I go to my Father and you see me no more; of Judgement, because the Ruler of This World is JUDGED.
Rev.12:9-10 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now salvation, and strength, and the Kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ HAVE come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down. :17 And the Dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her Seed, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus.
I think that child is the BODY of Christ. FIRSTBORN from the dead. Her SEED.
Peace brothers….
Quote (abe @ Feb. 08 2013,15:07) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 07 2013,17:57) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 08 2013,12:00) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 07 2013,18:09) Mike B. You must think spiritually,not physically regarding this woman.
This kind of comment doesn't help anyone, Wakeup. Surely you don't believe that I think the nation of Israel is PHYSICALLY a woman, right? So I would have to be thinking spiritually, or at the very least metaphorically – whether I believe the woman is Israel OR heavenly Jerusalem, right?Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 07 2013,18:09) This woman comes from above……..
Perhaps. What scripture tells us this fact? I know John says the sign was “in heaven” – but where else would it be – since HE was “in heaven” at the time?Wakeup, please don't get defensive. I'm planning to go through each verse, one point at a time, to get to the bottom of this. You can't “strongarm” me into believing it your way just because you insist. Instead, TEACH me from the scriptures that it is the way you say.
So far, the scripture Abe posted lends the best support to the woman being heavenly Jerusalem. All other things (so far) seem to be pointing to the woman being Israel.
Now, I have listed some valid points, and the scriptures that support those points, in my last post. Were you going to address those points? Or just blow them off to spoon-feed me YOUR interpretation?
(I'm not trying to come off as a jerk here, but let's have a serious discussion that addresses all the points. Only let's keep doing it at a snail's pace, if you don't mind.)
peace,
mike
Mike B.It seems that you have totally misunderstood my intensions,by seeing the negative side. of things.
wakeup.
Hi Mike and Wakeup,I think the mother brought forth this child, from the dead.
Jn.16:7-11 Nevertheless I tell you the truth. It is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away. The Helper will not come to you; but if I depart, I will send him to you. And when he has come. He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of Judgement, of sin, because they do not believe in me: of righteousness, because I go to my Father and you see me no more; of Judgement, because the Ruler of This World is JUDGED.
Rev.12:9-10 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now salvation, and strength, and the Kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ HAVE come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down. :17 And the Dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her Seed, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus.
I think that child is the BODY of Christ. FIRSTBORN from the dead. Her SEED.
Peace brothers….
Abe.Jesus was born out of this spiritual woman of God.
And she is heavenly Jerusalem.Gods woman is all what God stands for; his ethics,teachings,all that is holy.
God himself brought down his woman to israel,and he was their king untill they replaced him with king saul.They corrupted her.
Then Jesus came out of this woman,and he teaches them
the kingdom of God,and the gospels.Then he left her in the hands of men.But mankind has not been treating this woman right;they have corrupted her up to now.
But jesus will come back again to set *HER* straight,in the 1000yr kingdom; and she will be his woman;his bride,his kingdom,his teachings,his church.
But after the 1000yrs he will hand back his woman to his father. So God will be all in all.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 07 2013,20:34) Quote (abe @ Feb. 08 2013,15:07) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 07 2013,17:57) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 08 2013,12:00) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 07 2013,18:09) Mike B. You must think spiritually,not physically regarding this woman.
This kind of comment doesn't help anyone, Wakeup. Surely you don't believe that I think the nation of Israel is PHYSICALLY a woman, right? So I would have to be thinking spiritually, or at the very least metaphorically – whether I believe the woman is Israel OR heavenly Jerusalem, right?Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 07 2013,18:09) This woman comes from above……..
Perhaps. What scripture tells us this fact? I know John says the sign was “in heaven” – but where else would it be – since HE was “in heaven” at the time?Wakeup, please don't get defensive. I'm planning to go through each verse, one point at a time, to get to the bottom of this. You can't “strongarm” me into believing it your way just because you insist. Instead, TEACH me from the scriptures that it is the way you say.
So far, the scripture Abe posted lends the best support to the woman being heavenly Jerusalem. All other things (so far) seem to be pointing to the woman being Israel.
Now, I have listed some valid points, and the scriptures that support those points, in my last post. Were you going to address those points? Or just blow them off to spoon-feed me YOUR interpretation?
(I'm not trying to come off as a jerk here, but let's have a serious discussion that addresses all the points. Only let's keep doing it at a snail's pace, if you don't mind.)
peace,
mike
Mike B.It seems that you have totally misunderstood my intensions,by seeing the negative side. of things.
wakeup.
Hi Mike and Wakeup,I think the mother brought forth this child, from the dead.
Jn.16:7-11 Nevertheless I tell you the truth. It is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away. The Helper will not come to you; but if I depart, I will send him to you. And when he has come. He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of Judgement, of sin, because they do not believe in me: of righteousness, because I go to my Father and you see me no more; of Judgement, because the Ruler of This World is JUDGED.
Rev.12:9-10 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now salvation, and strength, and the Kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ HAVE come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down. :17 And the Dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her Seed, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus.
I think that child is the BODY of Christ. FIRSTBORN from the dead. Her SEED.
Peace brothers….
Abe.Jesus was born out of this spiritual woman of God.
And she is heavenly Jerusalem.Gods woman is all what God stands for; his ethics,teachings,all that is holy.
God himself brought down his woman to israel,and he was their king untill they replaced him with king saul.They corrupted her.
Then Jesus came out of this woman,and he teaches them
the kingdom of God,and the gospels.Then he left her in the hands of men.But mankind has not been treating this woman right;they have corrupted her up to now.
But jesus will come back again to set *HER* straight,in the 1000yr kingdom; and she will be his woman;his bride,his kingdom,his teachings,his church.
But after the 1000yrs he will hand back his woman to his father. So God will be all in all.
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,Scripture please.
Peace brother.
Quote (Devolution @ Feb. 07 2013,23:48) Hi All, I was WRONG concerning the crown of 12 stars.
The crown has to be the Patriarchs, I now see why & at last fully agree with Wakeup…it can't be the Apostles.
This has reminded me NOT to consider something complete hastily just because the picture was revealed, fine details…don't neglect the fine details just because the greater picture is understood…and I usually over analyse everything!!
But alas, this one point was not for me to settle.I accept that & praise The Lord.
Good job Wakeup!!
Hi Devolution,Of course, and the woman represents “Israel”.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (abe @ Feb. 08 2013,15:07) Hi Mike and Wakeup, I think the mother brought forth this child, from the dead.
Peace brothers….
Hi Abe,That of course is the “Spiritual” application to the vision.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi Everyone,
Most of Scripture has a dual roll, “Spiritual” and “Physical”.
Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (abe @ Feb. 08 2013,16:39) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 07 2013,20:34) Quote (abe @ Feb. 08 2013,15:07) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 07 2013,17:57) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 08 2013,12:00) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 07 2013,18:09) Mike B. You must think spiritually,not physically regarding this woman.
This kind of comment doesn't help anyone, Wakeup. Surely you don't believe that I think the nation of Israel is PHYSICALLY a woman, right? So I would have to be thinking spiritually, or at the very least metaphorically – whether I believe the woman is Israel OR heavenly Jerusalem, right?Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 07 2013,18:09) This woman comes from above……..
Perhaps. What scripture tells us this fact? I know John says the sign was “in heaven” – but where else would it be – since HE was “in heaven” at the time?Wakeup, please don't get defensive. I'm planning to go through each verse, one point at a time, to get to the bottom of this. You can't “strongarm” me into believing it your way just because you insist. Instead, TEACH me from the scriptures that it is the way you say.
So far, the scripture Abe posted lends the best support to the woman being heavenly Jerusalem. All other things (so far) seem to be pointing to the woman being Israel.
Now, I have listed some valid points, and the scriptures that support those points, in my last post. Were you going to address those points? Or just blow them off to spoon-feed me YOUR interpretation?
(I'm not trying to come off as a jerk here, but let's have a serious discussion that addresses all the points. Only let's keep doing it at a snail's pace, if you don't mind.)
peace,
mike
Mike B.It seems that you have totally misunderstood my intensions,by seeing the negative side. of things.
wakeup.
Hi Mike and Wakeup,I think the mother brought forth this child, from the dead.
Jn.16:7-11 Nevertheless I tell you the truth. It is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away. The Helper will not come to you; but if I depart, I will send him to you. And when he has come. He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of Judgement, of sin, because they do not believe in me: of righteousness, because I go to my Father and you see me no more; of Judgement, because the Ruler of This World is JUDGED.
Rev.12:9-10 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now salvation, and strength, and the Kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ HAVE come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down. :17 And the Dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her Seed, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus.
I think that child is the BODY of Christ. FIRSTBORN from the dead. Her SEED.
Peace brothers….
Abe.Jesus was born out of this spiritual woman of God.
And she is heavenly Jerusalem.Gods woman is all what God stands for; his ethics,teachings,all that is holy.
God himself brought down his woman to israel,and he was their king untill they replaced him with king saul.They corrupted her.
Then Jesus came out of this woman,and he teaches them
the kingdom of God,and the gospels.Then he left her in the hands of men.But mankind has not been treating this woman right;they have corrupted her up to now.
But jesus will come back again to set *HER* straight,in the 1000yr kingdom; and she will be his woman;his bride,his kingdom,his teachings,his church.
But after the 1000yrs he will hand back his woman to his father. So God will be all in all.
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,Scripture please.
Peace brother.
Abe.You are asking the impossible.
The scriptures are in the whole old testament,and the new.
What I was explaining to you was the whole picture.1. God came through Moses to introduce HIS WOMAN.
2. she was refused by israel.
3. God send his son through this woman. (born).
4.He introduced this woman to his apostles.
5. They intoduced this woman to the world and us.
6. Every one that accept this woman;will grow spiritually in her belly, and will be in her belly untill she is ready to give birth. At the resurrection.(Isaiah 66:7.8.).wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 09 2013,00:09) Abe. The scriptures are in the whole old testament,and the new.
What I was explaining to you was the whole picture.1. God came through Moses to introduce HIS WOMAN.
2. she was refused by israel.
3. God send his son through this woman. (born).
4. He introduced this woman to his apostles.
5. They intoduced this woman to the world and us.
6. Every one that accept this woman;will grow spiritually in her belly, and will be in her belly untill she is ready to give birth. At the resurrection.(Isaiah 66:7.8.).wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,Your wording may be a little awkward in this post,
but I do (essentially) agree with your premise.I present the Scriptures as a whole as well.
Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Feb. 09 2013,00:28) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 09 2013,00:09) Abe. The scriptures are in the whole old testament,and the new.
What I was explaining to you was the whole picture.1. God came through Moses to introduce HIS WOMAN.
2. she was refused by israel.
3. God send his son through this woman. (born).
4. He introduced this woman to his apostles.
5. They intoduced this woman to the world and us.
6. Every one that accept this woman;will grow spiritually in her belly, and will be in her belly untill she is ready to give birth. At the resurrection.(Isaiah 66:7.8.).wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,Your wording may be a little awkward in this post,
but I do (essentially) agree with your premise.I present the Scriptures as a whole as well.
Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Good on you brother,make it as simple as possible.
This is the way to go.wakeup.
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