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Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 30 2010,15:23) Quote Matt 3:16-17
16 After being baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove and lighting on Him,
17 and behold, a voice out of the heavens said, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well-pleased.”
NASUQuote Matt 17:1-5
17 Six days later Jesus took with Him Peter and James and John his brother, and led them up on a high mountain by themselves.
2 And He was transfigured before them; and His face shone like the sun, and His garments became as white as light.
3 And behold, Moses and Elijah appeared to them, talking with Him.
4 Peter said to Jesus, “Lord, it is good for us to be here; if You wish, I will make three tabernacles here, one for You, and one for Moses, and one for Elijah.”
5 While he was still speaking, a bright cloud overshadowed them, and behold, a voice out of the cloud said, “This is My beloved Son, with whom I am well-pleased; listen to Him!”
NASUNeither of the times that the voice from heaven that said “This is my beloved Son…” indicate within the context that He wasn't His Son beforehand.
Sorry!Kathi
Hi Kathi,Luke 2:52 And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and men.
When God said “this is my Son in whom I am well pleased”, that pleasing had to have come before the the anointing, so I do believe that Jesus was seen as God's Son before the anointing. How could he not, he was the man God had promised before time began to come. He was the man that He created heaven and earth for.
Romans 8:5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you……13 For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. 14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.
Was he a Son of God because he was made into some sort of special being in the womb of Mary that made it impossible for him to sin, or was Jesus a Son of God because he was a man who was led by the Spirit of God? Of course I believe the later.
We can all agree, I think, maybe I should hold my breath
, that Jesus was anointed at the river Jordon?If Jesus was anointed at the river Jordon, then can it be said that is when he in fact became CHRIST?
Quote (Jodi Lee @ Jan. 27 2010,05:17) Scripture makes it clear that the DAY of “Today I have begotten you” represents the day Jesus was at the Jordon and received YHWH’s Holy Spirit. The DAY that Jesus became God’s Only Begotten Son was the day he was at the river Jordon and YHWH’s Spirit descended upon him. The Spirit begets man as a Son of God . Romans 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. 15 For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, “Abba, Father.” 16 The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, 17 and if children, then heirs–heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him, that we may also be glorified together. 18 For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
Hey Jodi,And yet we read….
Hebrews 3
3Jesus has been found worthy of greater honor than Moses, just as the builder of a house has greater honor than the house itself. 4For every house is built by someone, but God is the builder of everything. 5Moses was faithful as a servant in all God's house, testifying to what would be said in the future. 6But Christ is faithful as a son over God's house.
Certainly, Moses was led by the Spirit. But there is a difference in “sonship” between these two servants.
Love,
MandyHi Jodi:
You ask:
Quote Am I hearing you right Marty, your understanding is that Jesus remained without sin because he had special God flesh and special God blood? No, Jodi, I am not saying that at all. Jesus was tempted every way like us but he obeyed God even unto death on the cross. He was brought up under the law of Moses until his ministry, and did not sin, but all others under the law did sin, and we who are born again have the Holy Spirit just as he did, but all we have sinned, but he did not. He could have but he did not. It is because of his love for us that he did not sin.
But it is very special blood because it is the precious blood of the Son of the Most High God.
Maybe the following scripture might help.
Quote Act 20:28 Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God [fn] which He purchased with His own blood. Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (Jodi Lee @ Jan. 30 2010,01:48) Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 30 2010,15:23) Quote Matt 3:16-17
16 After being baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove and lighting on Him,
17 and behold, a voice out of the heavens said, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well-pleased.”
NASUQuote Matt 17:1-5
17 Six days later Jesus took with Him Peter and James and John his brother, and led them up on a high mountain by themselves.
2 And He was transfigured before them; and His face shone like the sun, and His garments became as white as light.
3 And behold, Moses and Elijah appeared to them, talking with Him.
4 Peter said to Jesus, “Lord, it is good for us to be here; if You wish, I will make three tabernacles here, one for You, and one for Moses, and one for Elijah.”
5 While he was still speaking, a bright cloud overshadowed them, and behold, a voice out of the cloud said, “This is My beloved Son, with whom I am well-pleased; listen to Him!”
NASUNeither of the times that the voice from heaven that said “This is my beloved Son…” indicate within the context that He wasn't His Son beforehand.
Sorry!Kathi
Hi Kathi,Luke 2:52 And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and men.
When God said “this is my Son in whom I am well pleased”, that pleasing had to have come before the the anointing, so I do believe that Jesus was seen as God's Son before the anointing. How could he not, he was the man God had promised before time began to come. He was the man that He created heaven and earth for.
Romans 8:5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you……13 For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. 14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.
Was he a Son of God because he was made into some sort of special being in the womb of Mary that made it impossible for him to sin, or was Jesus a Son of God because he was a man who was led by the Spirit of God? Of course I believe the later.
We can all agree, I think, maybe I should hold my breath
, that Jesus was anointed at the river Jordon?If Jesus was anointed at the river Jordon, then can it be said that is when he in fact became CHRIST?
Hi Jodi,Here we read that even on the day the baby from Mary was born, He was the Savior, and Christ the Lord. So I don't think that He became the Savior or became Christ the Lord when He was baptized. I believe that He began His public ministry after He was baptized.
Quote Luke 2:11 NET ©
Today 1 your Savior is born in the city 2 of David. 3 He is Christ 4 the Lord.NIV ©
Today in the town of David a Saviour has been born to you; he is Christ the Lord.NASB ©
for today in the city of David there has been born for you a Savior, who is Christ the Lord.NLT ©
The Savior––yes, the Messiah, the Lord––has been born tonight in Bethlehem, the city of David!MSG ©
A Savior has just been born in David's town, a Savior who is Messiah and Master.BBE ©
For on this day, in the town of David, a Saviour has come to birth, who is Christ the Lord.NRSV ©
to you is born this day in the city of David a Savior, who is the Messiah, the Lord.NKJV ©
“For there is born to you this day in the city of David a Savior, who is Christ the Lord.That is all I have time for now.
KathiMandy…………Good to hear from you missed ya Sis. I do agree with what Jodi said thou, Mandy something to think about, Moses and the others Had GOD Spirit (influence) (ON) them. Jesus Had it (IN) Him , The FATHER was (IN) Him i think this is the difference here. King Saul Had GOD Spirit (ON) Him also But it was taken away, even King David was worried GOD would take His spirit from Him, saying “take not thy Spirit from Me”, While WE receive The SPIRIT (IN) US and it never leaves us , as Jesus said it (Spirit of Truth) shall abide with you for ever, This is the earnest of GOD given Us,it is HIS SEED planted inside Us. that is why i believe when that takes place we then become true SONS of GOD. “BRETHREN KNOW YOU NOT THAT (NOW) YOU ARE THE SONS OF GOD”> Jesus became a Spiritual Son of GOD when this took place with Him also at the Jordan. He then was lead out to be tested and came Preaching the KINGDOM OF GOD. He at that time was sent from GOD out into the world to do HIS WORK on EARTH. That is the way i see it.
peace and love to you and yours Mandy, good to hear from you…………………….gene
Quote (Jodi Lee @ Jan. 30 2010,01:48) Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 30 2010,15:23) Quote Matt 3:16-17
16 After being baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove and lighting on Him,
17 and behold, a voice out of the heavens said, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well-pleased.”
NASUQuote Matt 17:1-5
17 Six days later Jesus took with Him Peter and James and John his brother, and led them up on a high mountain by themselves.
2 And He was transfigured before them; and His face shone like the sun, and His garments became as white as light.
3 And behold, Moses and Elijah appeared to them, talking with Him.
4 Peter said to Jesus, “Lord, it is good for us to be here; if You wish, I will make three tabernacles here, one for You, and one for Moses, and one for Elijah.”
5 While he was still speaking, a bright cloud overshadowed them, and behold, a voice out of the cloud said, “This is My beloved Son, with whom I am well-pleased; listen to Him!”
NASUNeither of the times that the voice from heaven that said “This is my beloved Son…” indicate within the context that He wasn't His Son beforehand.
Sorry!Kathi
Hi Kathi,Luke 2:52 And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and men.
When God said “this is my Son in whom I am well pleased”, that pleasing had to have come before the the anointing, so I do believe that Jesus was seen as God's Son before the anointing. How could he not, he was the man God had promised before time began to come. He was the man that He created heaven and earth for.
Romans 8:5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you……13 For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. 14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.
Was he a Son of God because he was made into some sort of special being in the womb of Mary that made it impossible for him to sin, or was Jesus a Son of God because he was a man who was led by the Spirit of God? Of course I believe the later.
We can all agree, I think, maybe I should hold my breath
, that Jesus was anointed at the river Jordon?If Jesus was anointed at the river Jordon, then can it be said that is when he in fact became CHRIST?
Hi Jodi,
I believe that the Son of God was the only begotten Son of God because before creation He came forth from God in a begotten way and not in a created way. He was the only one to come from God this way…as an offspring, with the same nature.Thousands of years later, that same Son of God came in a baby's body and willingly took on the nature of a baby human…no memory, unable to do anything for himself, etc.. He felt hunger, thirst, grief, anger etc. just like any man but resisted temptation.
Kathi
Bro Gene – missed you too!!
My point was to counter Jodi in her assertion that Jesus became the Son of God at the Jordan – because he was filled with holy Spirit from on high.
Moses had God's spirit. Moses was a son of God. YET when he is compared to Jesus (both sons), we are told that Moses is as a servant over God's house but Jesus is a Son. What do you think the difference is?
Could it merely be that Moses had the Spirit in a non-tangible way and Jesus got a full fill when he was dunked at the Jordan? Is that why one is considered a servant, and the other a SON? I don't think so…… The annointing of holy Spirit does not determine sons, my friends. It determines ministries and callings and works through which God's purposes are fulfilled.
No one wants to believe that Jesus is God's literal Son. I've never figured out why?
I do know this for sure: We will need to be adopted. Jesus does not. That didn't come from the Jordan. That came from birth right.
Love,
MandyQuote (Lightenup @ Jan. 31 2010,12:58) Quote (Jodi Lee @ Jan. 30 2010,01:48) Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 30 2010,15:23) Quote Matt 3:16-17
16 After being baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove and lighting on Him,
17 and behold, a voice out of the heavens said, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well-pleased.”
NASUQuote Matt 17:1-5
17 Six days later Jesus took with Him Peter and James and John his brother, and led them up on a high mountain by themselves.
2 And He was transfigured before them; and His face shone like the sun, and His garments became as white as light.
3 And behold, Moses and Elijah appeared to them, talking with Him.
4 Peter said to Jesus, “Lord, it is good for us to be here; if You wish, I will make three tabernacles here, one for You, and one for Moses, and one for Elijah.”
5 While he was still speaking, a bright cloud overshadowed them, and behold, a voice out of the cloud said, “This is My beloved Son, with whom I am well-pleased; listen to Him!”
NASUNeither of the times that the voice from heaven that said “This is my beloved Son…” indicate within the context that He wasn't His Son beforehand.
Sorry!Kathi
Hi Kathi,Luke 2:52 And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and men.
When God said “this is my Son in whom I am well pleased”, that pleasing had to have come before the the anointing, so I do believe that Jesus was seen as God's Son before the anointing. How could he not, he was the man God had promised before time began to come. He was the man that He created heaven and earth for.
Romans 8:5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you……13 For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. 14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.
Was he a Son of God because he was made into some sort of special being in the womb of Mary that made it impossible for him to sin, or was Jesus a Son of God because he was a man who was led by the Spirit of God? Of course I believe the later.
We can all agree, I think, maybe I should hold my breath
, that Jesus was anointed at the river Jordon?If Jesus was anointed at the river Jordon, then can it be said that is when he in fact became CHRIST?
Hi Jodi,
I believe that the Son of God was the only begotten Son of God because before creation He came forth from God in a begotten way and not in a created way. He was the only one to come from God this way…as an offspring, with the same nature.Thousands of years later, that same Son of God came in a baby's body and willingly took on the nature of a baby human…no memory, unable to do anything for himself, etc.. He felt hunger, thirst, grief, anger etc. just like any man but resisted temptation.
Kathi
Kathi! Why does Col. 1:15 and Rev. 3:14 say that He was the firstborn of all creation. It is somewhat confusing because Proverb 8:24 says that He was brought forth. Maybe He was the firstborn brouth forth from all creation. Otherwise it would contradict. See what I mean….
Peace and Love IreneQuote (Not3in1 @ Jan. 31 2010,14:54) Bro Gene – missed you too!! My point was to counter Jodi in her assertion that Jesus became the Son of God at the Jordan – because he was filled with holy Spirit from on high.
Moses had God's spirit. Moses was a son of God. YET when he is compared to Jesus (both sons), we are told that Moses is as a servant over God's house but Jesus is a Son. What do you think the difference is?
Could it merely be that Moses had the Spirit in a non-tangible way and Jesus got a full fill when he was dunked at the Jordan? Is that why one is considered a servant, and the other a SON? I don't think so…… The annointing of holy Spirit does not determine sons, my friends. It determines ministries and callings and works through which God's purposes are fulfilled.
No one wants to believe that Jesus is God's literal Son. I've never figured out why?
I do know this for sure: We will need to be adopted. Jesus does not. That didn't come from the Jordan. That came from birth right.
Love,
Mandy
Hi Mandy,While Jesus was born as “The only begotten Son”,
the HolySpirit does indeed make us Son's of God as well!Gal.4:4-7 But when the fullness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son,
made of a woman, made under the law, To redeem them that were under the law,
that we might receive the adoption of sons. And because ye are sons,
God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.Eph.1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children
by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
Hebrews 2:10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things,
in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.Witnessing to the world in behalf of…
117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD)YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! (Psalm 45:17)
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi Mandy:
You ask:
Quote Moses had God's spirit. Moses was a son of God. YET when he is compared to Jesus (both sons), we are told that Moses is as a servant over God's house but Jesus is a Son. What do you think the difference is? First of all Moses was not conceived of the Holy Ghost in the womb of a virgin. He was born of the sperm man just like all other men. He was a prophet under the law of God, but he was faithful in all of his house, but he did not obey the Law without sin even unto death on the cross, and lastly, he had not been born again from the dead.
John the Baptist was also a prophet, and Jesus says that of men born of women there is none greater than John the Baptist, but he also had not been born again. They will be born again from the dead when the Lord comes for the church, but at the time of their ministry, no one could be born again from the dead without the sacrifice of Jesus.
Quote Mat 11:11 “Assuredly, I say to you, among those born of women there has not risen one greater than John the Baptist; but he who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (Ed J @ Jan. 31 2010,15:24) Quote (Not3in1 @ Jan. 31 2010,14:54) Bro Gene – missed you too!! My point was to counter Jodi in her assertion that Jesus became the Son of God at the Jordan – because he was filled with holy Spirit from on high.
Moses had God's spirit. Moses was a son of God. YET when he is compared to Jesus (both sons), we are told that Moses is as a servant over God's house but Jesus is a Son. What do you think the difference is?
Could it merely be that Moses had the Spirit in a non-tangible way and Jesus got a full fill when he was dunked at the Jordan? Is that why one is considered a servant, and the other a SON? I don't think so…… The annointing of holy Spirit does not determine sons, my friends. It determines ministries and callings and works through which God's purposes are fulfilled.
No one wants to believe that Jesus is God's literal Son. I've never figured out why?
I do know this for sure: We will need to be adopted. Jesus does not. That didn't come from the Jordan. That came from birth right.
Love,
Mandy
Hi Mandy,While Jesus was born as “The only begotten Son”,
the HolySpirit does indeed make us Son's of God as well!Gal.4:4-7 But when the fullness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son,
made of a woman, made under the law, To redeem them that were under the law,
that we might receive the adoption of sons. And because ye are sons,
God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.Eph.1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children
by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
Hebrews 2:10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things,
in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.Witnessing to the world in behalf of…
117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD)YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! (Psalm 45:17)
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Indeed!But my point is that Jesus does not have to be adopted. He already belongs. We must be given the Spirit and be re-born to be children of God.
Did Jesus need to be born-again to be the only begotten son?
Mandy
Quote (942767 @ Feb. 01 2010,21:18) Hi Mandy: You ask:
Quote Moses had God's spirit. Moses was a son of God. YET when he is compared to Jesus (both sons), we are told that Moses is as a servant over God's house but Jesus is a Son. What do you think the difference is? First of all Moses was not conceived of the Holy Ghost in the womb of a virgin. He was born of the sperm man just like all other men. He was a prophet under the law of God, but he was faithful in all of his house, but he did not obey the Law without sin even unto death on the cross, and lastly, he had not been born again from the dead.
John the Baptist was also a prophet, and Jesus says that of men born of women there is none greater than John the Baptist, but he also had not been born again. They will be born again from the dead when the Lord comes for the church, but at the time of their ministry, no one could be born again from the dead without the sacrifice of Jesus.
Quote Mat 11:11 “Assuredly, I say to you, among those born of women there has not risen one greater than John the Baptist; but he who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. Love in Christ,
Marty
Do you believe that Jesus was only considered a true son, then, because he was re-born from the dead?Quote (Not3in1 @ Feb. 02 2010,09:15) Quote (942767 @ Feb. 01 2010,21:18) Hi Mandy: You ask:
Quote Moses had God's spirit. Moses was a son of God. YET when he is compared to Jesus (both sons), we are told that Moses is as a servant over God's house but Jesus is a Son. What do you think the difference is? First of all Moses was not conceived of the Holy Ghost in the womb of a virgin. He was born of the sperm man just like all other men. He was a prophet under the law of God, but he was faithful in all of his house, but he did not obey the Law without sin even unto death on the cross, and lastly, he had not been born again from the dead.
John the Baptist was also a prophet, and Jesus says that of men born of women there is none greater than John the Baptist, but he also had not been born again. They will be born again from the dead when the Lord comes for the church, but at the time of their ministry, no one could be born again from the dead without the sacrifice of Jesus.
Quote Mat 11:11 “Assuredly, I say to you, among those born of women there has not risen one greater than John the Baptist; but he who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. Love in Christ,
Marty
Do you believe that Jesus was only considered a true son, then, because he was re-born from the dead?
No, Mandy, He is the only Begotten Son, but the scripture states:Quote 1 Paul, a bondservant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated to the gospel of God 2 which He promised before through His prophets in the Holy Scriptures, 3 concerning His Son Jesus Christ our Lord, who was born of the seed of David according to the flesh, 4 and declared to be the Son of God with power according to the Spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead Quote 7 who, in the days of His flesh, when He had offered up prayers and supplications, with vehement cries and tears to Him who was able to save Him from death, and was heard because of His godly fear, 8 though He was a Son, yet He learned obedience by the things which He suffered. 9 And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him, Adam also was considered a son of God prior to his sin, and the wages of sin is death, and so, if Jesus had sinned, he also would have died and would not have been resurrected from the dead.
Love in Christ,
MartyHi Jodi,
Your posts are very interesting. I'll be in touch soon with some exchange of ideas with what you are proposing (hope you haven't moved on to something else by now).
Blessings to you,
Patrick
Hi Patrick!
Nice to hear from you. I have not moved on just yet. Doing some more reading of scripture focusing on this topic.
Why do you think Jesus is called the Only Begotten Son?
Maybe I should take a poll to see what people think.
The options would be
1. Because he pre-existed as a spirit son?
2. Because he was born of a virgin by the Holy Spirit?
3. Because the Holy Spirit descended on him at the river Jordon
4. Because he was raised from the dead and given eternal life?I don't believe that neither 1 or 2 are true.
How about the rest of you?
Quote (Not3in1 @ Feb. 02 2010,09:14) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 31 2010,15:24) Quote (Not3in1 @ Jan. 31 2010,14:54) Bro Gene – missed you too!! My point was to counter Jodi in her assertion that Jesus became the Son of God at the Jordan – because he was filled with holy Spirit from on high.
Moses had God's spirit. Moses was a son of God. YET when he is compared to Jesus (both sons), we are told that Moses is as a servant over God's house but Jesus is a Son. What do you think the difference is?
Could it merely be that Moses had the Spirit in a non-tangible way and Jesus got a full fill when he was dunked at the Jordan? Is that why one is considered a servant, and the other a SON? I don't think so…… The annointing of holy Spirit does not determine sons, my friends. It determines ministries and callings and works through which God's purposes are fulfilled.
No one wants to believe that Jesus is God's literal Son. I've never figured out why?
I do know this for sure: We will need to be adopted. Jesus does not. That didn't come from the Jordan. That came from birth right.
Love,
Mandy
Hi Mandy,While Jesus was born as “The only begotten Son”,
the HolySpirit does indeed make us Son's of God as well!Gal.4:4-7 But when the fullness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son,
made of a woman, made under the law, To redeem them that were under the law,
that we might receive the adoption of sons. And because ye are sons,
God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.Eph.1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children
by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
Hebrews 2:10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things,
in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.Witnessing to the world in behalf of…
117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD)YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! (Psalm 45:17)
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Indeed!But my point is that Jesus does not have to be adopted. He already belongs. We must be given the Spirit and be re-born to be children of God.
Did Jesus need to be born-again to be the only begotten son?
Mandy
Hi Mandy,There are two separate issues in this question.
First: Did Jesus need the “HolySpirit” added to him, here is what Jesus said…
Mt:3:15: And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now:
for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.Second: Was Jesus called “The Son of God” before his baptism by John the baptizer…
Matt.1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary
was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the HolySpirit.Matt.1:20: But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord
appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not
to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the HolySpirit.Luke 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The HolySpirit shall come upon thee,
and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing
which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.God bless you Mandy!
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Jodi Lee @ Feb. 02 2010,12:50) Hi Patrick! Nice to hear from you. I have not moved on just yet. Doing some more reading of scripture focusing on this topic.
Why do you think Jesus is called the Only Begotten Son?
Maybe I should take a poll to see what people think.
The options would be
1. Because he pre-existed as a spirit son?
2. Because he was born of a virgin by the Holy Spirit?
3. Because the Holy Spirit descended on him at the river Jordon
4. Because he was raised from the dead and given eternal life?I don't believe that neither 1 or 2 are true.
How about the rest of you?
Hi Jodi,People always seem to miss the importancy of having “Correct Wording”!
Because of the strict wording of your question…
#1 as part of the answer must excluded from anybody's response.If you had asked the question this way…
Why is Jesus called “Son of God”?
Then ALL Four of your answers would be correct!Witnessing to the world in behalf of…
117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD)YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! (Psalm 45:17)
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Jodi Lee @ Feb. 02 2010,12:50) Hi Patrick! Nice to hear from you. I have not moved on just yet. Doing some more reading of scripture focusing on this topic.
Why do you think Jesus is called the Only Begotten Son?
Maybe I should take a poll to see what people think.
The options would be
1. Because he pre-existed as a spirit son?
2. Because he was born of a virgin by the Holy Spirit?
3. Because the Holy Spirit descended on him at the river Jordon
4. Because he was raised from the dead and given eternal life?I don't believe that neither 1 or 2 are true.
How about the rest of you?
Hi Jodi.
I won't get involved in this thread just yet, but I may partake of your request to take a poll on what people think regarding why Jesus is called …But just a point on on the way you worded your answer…
“I don't believe that neither 1 or 2 are true”.
You use a double negative, I DON”T believe that NEITHER 1 or 2 are true. I may just being pickey, but that sentence would mean you DO believe 1 or 2 are true.
Do you mean … “I believe neither 1 or 2 are true.
or
“I don't believe 1 or 2 are true.Just a thought, I do not mean to be critical.
Blessings, Jerry.
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