Who is the creator of all things?

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Hi LU,
Indeed he did not need to be washed but he led the way for us.

February 22, 2012 at 10:56 pm#280076

Lightenup

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Right Nick.

February 22, 2012 at 11:06 pm#280078

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Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 21 2012,20:50)

Mike,
You could say that He was the firstborn of the creation of God and in that way He is the beginning of the creation of God. That would show you that there was a begettal and not a creative act. Adam wasn't considered a firstborn because he was a creative act.

Kathi

Jesus is the first member of the group known as “God's creations”. Out of all of God's wonderous creations, Jesus was the beginning. God created him as the first of His works of old.

February 23, 2012 at 4:08 am#280135

Lightenup

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Well Mike,
You won't find that in scripture.

February 23, 2012 at 11:02 pm#280202

Blocked

That's exactly where I found it, Kathi. What you WON'T find in scriptures is the idea that Jesus existed before God begot him as His firstborn Son. In fact, you won't find any instance at all – in scripture or history – where a son existed before his father begot him.

February 23, 2012 at 11:16 pm#280206

Participant

GHi MB,
His begettal and the advice given to his adult son is shown in Ps 2

February 23, 2012 at 11:30 pm#280208

Blocked

Hmmmm…………

Which part of Ps 2 says the begetting didn't already happen like the scripture says? I know you IMAGINE these were prophetic words for some future time – but where is your proof of this? And how does it fit in with Proverbs 30:4, where it is made clear that God already has a son?

February 24, 2012 at 12:02 am#280212

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 22 2012,23:00)

Hi LU,
Jesus was reborn as a Son of God at the Jordan.
The sons of God are led by the Spirit of God.[cf rom 8 14]

Ro 8:13 For if you live according to the sinful nature, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live,
Ro 8:14 because those who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.
Ro 8:15 For you did not receive a spirit that makes you a slave again to fear, but you received the Spirit of sonship. And by him we cry, “Abba,Father.”
Ro 8:16 The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children.

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Jesus was reborn as a Son of God at the Jordan.

not in this scriptures

February 24, 2012 at 12:30 am#280217

Participant

Hi MB,
Time is not quite as we understand it in scripture.

You have been saved
Your are saved
You will be saved

are all found in the letters of Paul

February 24, 2012 at 12:41 am#280222

Blocked

Nick, this is the question I asked………………

Which part of Ps 2 says the begetting didn't already happen like the scripture says?

……………….try again please.

February 24, 2012 at 12:43 am#280223

Participant

Hi MB,
Which scriptures do you refer to?

February 24, 2012 at 12:48 am#280226

Participant

Hi MB,
Your avatar reflects your approach or the scriptural references?

February 24, 2012 at 1:22 am#280232

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 24 2012,17:30)

Hi MB,
Time is not quite as we understand it in scripture.

You have been saved
Your are saved
You will be saved

are all found in the letters of Paul

all those things are conditional

February 24, 2012 at 1:22 am#280233

Participant

Hi T,
The sons of God are led by the Spirit of God.
The first time Jesus is said to be LED BY THE SPIRIT is just after his anointing in Lk4

February 24, 2012 at 1:26 am#280235

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 24 2012,18:22)

Hi T,
The sons of God are led by the Spirit of God.
The first time Jesus is said to be LED BY THE SPIRIT is just after his anointing in Lk4

Lk 2:46 After three days they found him in the temple courts, sitting among the teachers, listening to them and asking them questions.
Lk 2:47 Everyone who heard him was amazed at his understanding and his answers.
Lk 2:48 When his parents saw him, they were astonished. His mother said to him, “Son, why have you treated us like this? Your father and I have been anxiously searching for you.”
Lk 2:49 “Why were you searching for me?” he asked. “Didn’t you know I had to be in my Father’s house?”

He was about 12 here you mean he did not ad the spirit here ?

and the word “LED “is not fund in Luke 4

February 24, 2012 at 1:28 am#280236

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it is not good to ad to scriptures to make them say what we want

February 24, 2012 at 1:29 am#280238

Participant

Hi T,
Why do you think his knowledge is proof of God's Spirit living in him?
Plenty of folk know stuff without that blessing.

February 24, 2012 at 1:32 am#280240

Participant

Hi T,
NASB LK1.1
“And Jesus, full of the Holy Spirit, returned from the Jordan and was LED about by the Spirit in the wilderness,,”

Please withdraw your accusation.,

February 24, 2012 at 1:42 am#280243