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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 19 2012,02:31) Hi LU,
Yes he was promised.
Suffering servant, Messiah and King.
But all these things had to be held for God's timing.Do you think he made a baby jump in the womb and why?
Nick,
The first action of Jesus being the Messiah came when He came in the flesh at conception. His adult ministry as the Messiah started after His baptism by John.The baby jumped for joy in the womb, that is what we are told. It seems like a response to Mary's voice whether or not God made the baby jump is unlikely because then he wouldn't have jumped for joy but rather because God moved him. Why did the baby jump, because the mother of Jesus was there and spoke.
Kathi
He has always been the power of God Nick. By Him all things were made both in heaven and on earth, things visible and invisible. Col 1:16
Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 19 2012,22:40) In other words, the beginning of the building of Joe Schmoe would be the hiring on of the architect.
Your theory would only work if a verb was used – such as “hiring” or “begetting”. But “Jesus” is a noun, not a verb, so my understanding fits better.Beginning of humans – a human (noun).
Beginning of animals – an animal (noun).
Beginning of creation – Jesus (noun).
Now if Jesus said “my begettal was the beginning of creation”, then you'd have a valid argument. Like if I said the beginning of humans was THE ACT of God breathing into Adam, or whatever. But the teaching is that Jesus HIMSELF was the beginning of creation, much like Adam HIMSELF was the beginning of humankind. And just like Adam was a member of the group of which he was the beginning, so is Jesus.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 20 2012,13:41) Hi LU,
Yes the Spirit of Christ.
The Word was with God and the Word was God
Nick,
Was the 'Word' a spirit being in your opinion?Nick,
John 1:1c tells us that the Word was God, and God is spirit, not flesh, and God is a being so the Word is a spirit being. Those are all scriptural terms.Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 20 2012,21:55) Mike,
The beginning of the building – Architect (noun).
That would be “beginner of the building”, Kathi – not “beginning”.In your theory, CONTACTING the architect could be considered the beginning of the building – but once again, that would need a verb instead of the noun used in Rev 3.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 20 2012,23:48) Hi LU,
Is the word BEING there anywhere?
Nick,
This passage clearly shows the person of the Son in the beginning:Heb 1:8But of the Son He says,
“YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER AND EVER,
AND THE RIGHTEOUS SCEPTER IS THE SCEPTER OF HIS KINGDOM.9“YOU HAVE LOVED RIGHTEOUSNESS AND HATED LAWLESSNESS;
THEREFORE GOD, YOUR GOD, HAS ANOINTED YOU
WITH THE OIL OF GLADNESS ABOVE YOUR COMPANIONS.”10And,
“YOU, LORD, IN THE BEGINNING LAID THE FOUNDATION OF THE EARTH,
AND THE HEAVENS ARE THE WORKS OF YOUR HANDS;11THEY WILL PERISH, BUT YOU REMAIN;
AND THEY ALL WILL BECOME OLD LIKE A GARMENT,12AND LIKE A MANTLE YOU WILL ROLL THEM UP;
LIKE A GARMENT THEY WILL ALSO BE CHANGED.
BUT YOU ARE THE SAME,
AND YOUR YEARS WILL NOT COME TO AN END.”I'm thinking that you need a revelation as to what the word was.
Mike,
You could say that He was the firstborn of the creation of God and in that way He is the beginning of the creation of God. That would show you that there was a begettal and not a creative act. Adam wasn't considered a firstborn because he was a creative act.Kathi
Hi LU,
The verses refer to the Son of God, Jesus CHRIST.
“..The Word was with God and the Word was God”Nick,
The passage refers to the Son of God and that is my point…the word is the Son of God. The passage tells us that it was the Son who laid out the earth and heavens in the beginning.Hi LU,
Indeed the Son, Jesus the anointed one, is the same yesterday today and forever.
The anointing is what matters in the man made one with God by anointing.
Men elevate the flesh but he has left that behind and so should we.But Nick you have not faced the fact that the Son, not as the Messiah, but as the Son before flesh, was with the Father in the beginning and it was the Son that laid the foundation of the earth and the heavens are the work of His hands.
No, Nick I am not adding opinion…it is written. The Son laid the foundation of the earth and the heavens are the works of His hands. He actively did that way back at the time of creation.
Heb 1:2 n these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world.
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