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Quote (terraricca @ June 23 2014,13:00) Quote (Ed J @ June 23 2014,07:41) Quote (terraricca @ June 23 2014,12:34) Edj you got all wrong ,but then you know that anyway ;
you just know that you cannot stand against what i have presented ,and so try to belittle me,
but all I said stands on its own
you did not need to change subject and change the focus ;
we discuss Col;1;16 and 17
so show in scriptures that my view on those scriptures are wrong
if you do not ,this means i am right
Belittle you no, but your logic certainly FAILS!
Edjso I AM right as per the scriptures ,this is one step in the right direction
I just said the opposite of what you are claimingQuote (terraricca @ June 22 2014,12:28) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 22 2014,23:41) Quote (terraricca @ June 22 2014,11:19) Christ never really says THAT JOHN THE BAPTIST WAS IN FACT ELIJAH DOES IT NOBUT IT WAS MORE LIKE ;THE ONE THAT WAS TO COME BEFORE i CAME ,HAD COME ; this is how I understand it from scriptures
both were announced to come ,but one before the other
Pierre,Read the context:
Matthew 11
11 Truly I tell you, among those born of women there has not risen anyone greater than John the Baptist; yet whoever is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.12 From the days of John the Baptist until now, the kingdom of heaven has been subjected to violence, and violent people have been raiding it. 1
3 For all the Prophets and the Law prophesied until John.
14 And if you are willing to accept it, he is the Elijah who was to come.
15 Whoever has ears, let them hear.
Who does the word “HE”, in verse 14, refer to….. if not to John the Baptist?
You say that “both were announced to come, one before the other”, right?
Well, WHO EXACTLY came “before Jesus”? Who was the Elijah who was to come before the Messiah, if not John the Baptist?
Mikeso John the baptist is Elijah reincarnated
through John father and mother
I do not know one scripture that talks about reincarnation of any kind ,
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Quote Well, WHO EXACTLY came “before Jesus”? Who was the Elijah who was to come before the Messiah, if not John the Baptist? WHO REALLY WAS THE CHRIST TO COME AFTER THAT ELIJAH COME
WAS IT JESUS OF NAZARETH YESWHO REALLY WAS THE ELIJAH THAT AS TO COME BEFORE THE MESSIAH
WAS IT NOT JOHN THE BAPTIST YES IT WAS WHAT DOES THE NAME OF ELIJAH MEANS
“My God is Yahweh) AND WHAT DID HE SUPPOSE TO DO WHEN HE CAME BEFORE THE ANOINTED ONE ARE ALL THOSE SCRIPTURES FULFILLED IN THE WORKS OF JOHN THE BAPTIST YES
Pierre,The answers you yourself gave BELOW the dotted lines actually rule out the things you “haven't heard about” ABOVE the dotted lines.
In other words, your claim that you “don't know of any scripture that speaks of reincarnation” is completely RULED OUT by the truthful scriptural answers you gave later.
YES, John the Baptist IS the one who came before Christ, to pave the way for him. So YES, therefore John the Baptist IS the Elijah who was to come and pave the way for the Messiah.
See? Those are YOUR answers. And those scripturally FACTUAL things outweigh any “mysteries” that we haven't been shown the answers to – like “reincarnations”.
Quote (Ed J @ June 22 2014,17:49) 16: For by him(YHVH) were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth,
visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities,
or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: (Rev.4:11)
The word “YHVH” in your quote is wrong, Ed.First, the word “by” is properly translated as “through” in this case. (The KJV's “by” MEANT “through” anyway, but “through” makes the meaning clearer in today's English.)
Second, the “him” is Jesus, as verse 15 and 16 are one long sentence in the Greek. “He is the firstborn of every creature FOR through him, all things were created………….”.
Quote (Ed J @ June 22 2014,18:57) 1) Yes, but what does that have to do with the price of tea in China? 5) The Apostle Paul makes the point that Jesus was the first to be resurrected to point to his preeminence.
Your #5 actually answers your #1, Ed.Let's condense the statement a little………
Jesus is the firstborn of every creature, and also the firstborn from the dead, so that he might have preeminence in everything.
(Note: The actual Greek words are, “in order that he may become in all things, himself, first.”)
So, was he LITERALLY the “first” to be born again from the dead to everlasting life? YES.
Was he LITERALLY the “first” of every creature who ever lived to be born? Again, YES.
You say YES to one of them, but NO to the other.
And my point is that it is ONLY your own personal wishes that make you say NO to that other one. You have no SCRIPTURAL reason to say NO. There is no CONTEXT that would make one of them be YES, and the other be NO. There is no HINT in that scripture that one of them is LITERAL, and the other is METAPHORICAL.
Yet, you have decided for yourself that one of them IS literal, and the other IS metaphorical.
Interesting…………
Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 24 2014,06:54) Quote (terraricca @ June 22 2014,12:28) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 22 2014,23:41) Quote (terraricca @ June 22 2014,11:19) Christ never really says THAT JOHN THE BAPTIST WAS IN FACT ELIJAH DOES IT NOBUT IT WAS MORE LIKE ;THE ONE THAT WAS TO COME BEFORE i CAME ,HAD COME ; this is how I understand it from scriptures
both were announced to come ,but one before the other
Pierre,Read the context:
Matthew 11
11 Truly I tell you, among those born of women there has not risen anyone greater than John the Baptist; yet whoever is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.12 From the days of John the Baptist until now, the kingdom of heaven has been subjected to violence, and violent people have been raiding it. 1
3 For all the Prophets and the Law prophesied until John.
14 And if you are willing to accept it, he is the Elijah who was to come.
15 Whoever has ears, let them hear.
Who does the word “HE”, in verse 14, refer to….. if not to John the Baptist?
You say that “both were announced to come, one before the other”, right?
Well, WHO EXACTLY came “before Jesus”? Who was the Elijah who was to come before the Messiah, if not John the Baptist?
Mikeso John the baptist is Elijah reincarnated
through John father and mother
I do not know one scripture that talks about reincarnation of any kind ,
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Quote Well, WHO EXACTLY came “before Jesus”? Who was the Elijah who was to come before the Messiah, if not John the Baptist? WHO REALLY WAS THE CHRIST TO COME AFTER THAT ELIJAH COME
WAS IT JESUS OF NAZARETH YESWHO REALLY WAS THE ELIJAH THAT AS TO COME BEFORE THE MESSIAH
WAS IT NOT JOHN THE BAPTIST YES IT WAS WHAT DOES THE NAME OF ELIJAH MEANS
“My God is Yahweh) AND WHAT DID HE SUPPOSE TO DO WHEN HE CAME BEFORE THE ANOINTED ONE ARE ALL THOSE SCRIPTURES FULFILLED IN THE WORKS OF JOHN THE BAPTIST YES
Pierre,The answers you yourself gave BELOW the dotted lines actually rule out the things you “haven't heard about” ABOVE the dotted lines.
In other words, your claim that you “don't know of any scripture that speaks of reincarnation” is completely RULED OUT by the truthful scriptural answers you gave later.
YES, John the Baptist IS the one who came before Christ, to pave the way for him. So YES, therefore John the Baptist IS the Elijah who was to come and pave the way for the Messiah.
See? Those are YOUR answers. And those scripturally FACTUAL things outweigh any “mysteries” that we haven't been shown the answers to – like “reincarnations”.
and by no means john the baptist his(I mean Physically ) Elijah from the old testamentQuote (terraricca @ June 24 2014,12:30) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 24 2014,06:54) Quote (terraricca @ June 22 2014,12:28) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 22 2014,23:41) Quote (terraricca @ June 22 2014,11:19) Christ never really says THAT JOHN THE BAPTIST WAS IN FACT ELIJAH DOES IT NOBUT IT WAS MORE LIKE ;THE ONE THAT WAS TO COME BEFORE i CAME ,HAD COME ; this is how I understand it from scriptures
both were announced to come ,but one before the other
Pierre,Read the context:
Matthew 11
11 Truly I tell you, among those born of women there has not risen anyone greater than John the Baptist; yet whoever is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.12 From the days of John the Baptist until now, the kingdom of heaven has been subjected to violence, and violent people have been raiding it. 1
3 For all the Prophets and the Law prophesied until John.
14 And if you are willing to accept it, he is the Elijah who was to come.
15 Whoever has ears, let them hear.
Who does the word “HE”, in verse 14, refer to….. if not to John the Baptist?
You say that “both were announced to come, one before the other”, right?
Well, WHO EXACTLY came “before Jesus”? Who was the Elijah who was to come before the Messiah, if not John the Baptist?
Mikeso John the baptist is Elijah reincarnated
through John father and mother
I do not know one scripture that talks about reincarnation of any kind ,
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Quote Well, WHO EXACTLY came “before Jesus”? Who was the Elijah who was to come before the Messiah, if not John the Baptist? WHO REALLY WAS THE CHRIST TO COME AFTER THAT ELIJAH COME
WAS IT JESUS OF NAZARETH YESWHO REALLY WAS THE ELIJAH THAT AS TO COME BEFORE THE MESSIAH
WAS IT NOT JOHN THE BAPTIST YES IT WAS WHAT DOES THE NAME OF ELIJAH MEANS
“My God is Yahweh) AND WHAT DID HE SUPPOSE TO DO WHEN HE CAME BEFORE THE ANOINTED ONE ARE ALL THOSE SCRIPTURES FULFILLED IN THE WORKS OF JOHN THE BAPTIST YES
Pierre,The answers you yourself gave BELOW the dotted lines actually rule out the things you “haven't heard about” ABOVE the dotted lines.
In other words, your claim that you “don't know of any scripture that speaks of reincarnation” is completely RULED OUT by the truthful scriptural answers you gave later.
YES, John the Baptist IS the one who came before Christ, to pave the way for him. So YES, therefore John the Baptist IS the Elijah who was to come and pave the way for the Messiah.
See? Those are YOUR answers. And those scripturally FACTUAL things outweigh any “mysteries” that we haven't been shown the answers to – like “reincarnations”.
and by no means john the baptist his(I mean Physically ) Elijah from the old testament
T.Can you translate this scripture to your own understanding?
In english please;not in foreign tongues.Malachi 4:5
***Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet***
***before the coming***
***of the great and *dreadful* day of the LORD***:wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ June 24 2014,09:12) Quote (terraricca @ June 24 2014,12:30) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 24 2014,06:54) Quote (terraricca @ June 22 2014,12:28) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 22 2014,23:41) Quote (terraricca @ June 22 2014,11:19) Christ never really says THAT JOHN THE BAPTIST WAS IN FACT ELIJAH DOES IT NOBUT IT WAS MORE LIKE ;THE ONE THAT WAS TO COME BEFORE i CAME ,HAD COME ; this is how I understand it from scriptures
both were announced to come ,but one before the other
Pierre,Read the context:
Matthew 11
11 Truly I tell you, among those born of women there has not risen anyone greater than John the Baptist; yet whoever is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.12 From the days of John the Baptist until now, the kingdom of heaven has been subjected to violence, and violent people have been raiding it. 1
3 For all the Prophets and the Law prophesied until John.
14 And if you are willing to accept it, he is the Elijah who was to come.
15 Whoever has ears, let them hear.
Who does the word “HE”, in verse 14, refer to….. if not to John the Baptist?
You say that “both were announced to come, one before the other”, right?
Well, WHO EXACTLY came “before Jesus”? Who was the Elijah who was to come before the Messiah, if not John the Baptist?
Mikeso John the baptist is Elijah reincarnated
through John father and mother
I do not know one scripture that talks about reincarnation of any kind ,
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Quote Well, WHO EXACTLY came “before Jesus”? Who was the Elijah who was to come before the Messiah, if not John the Baptist? WHO REALLY WAS THE CHRIST TO COME AFTER THAT ELIJAH COME
WAS IT JESUS OF NAZARETH YESWHO REALLY WAS THE ELIJAH THAT AS TO COME BEFORE THE MESSIAH
WAS IT NOT JOHN THE BAPTIST YES IT WAS WHAT DOES THE NAME OF ELIJAH MEANS
“My God is Yahweh) AND WHAT DID HE SUPPOSE TO DO WHEN HE CAME BEFORE THE ANOINTED ONE ARE ALL THOSE SCRIPTURES FULFILLED IN THE WORKS OF JOHN THE BAPTIST YES
Pierre,The answers you yourself gave BELOW the dotted lines actually rule out the things you “haven't heard about” ABOVE the dotted lines.
In other words, your claim that you “don't know of any scripture that speaks of reincarnation” is completely RULED OUT by the truthful scriptural answers you gave later.
YES, John the Baptist IS the one who came before Christ, to pave the way for him. So YES, therefore John the Baptist IS the Elijah who was to come and pave the way for the Messiah.
See? Those are YOUR answers. And those scripturally FACTUAL things outweigh any “mysteries” that we haven't been shown the answers to – like “reincarnations”.
and by no means john the baptist his(I mean Physically ) Elijah from the old testament
T.Can you translate this scripture to your own understanding?
In english please;not in foreign tongues.Malachi 4:5
***Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet***
***before the coming***
***of the great and *dreadful* day of the LORD***:wakeup.
W
I will if you explain the words of Christ from Mathew:11:14/15
First,Quote (terraricca @ June 24 2014,15:18) Quote (Wakeup @ June 24 2014,09:12) Quote (terraricca @ June 24 2014,12:30) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 24 2014,06:54) Quote (terraricca @ June 22 2014,12:28) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 22 2014,23:41) Quote (terraricca @ June 22 2014,11:19) Christ never really says THAT JOHN THE BAPTIST WAS IN FACT ELIJAH DOES IT NOBUT IT WAS MORE LIKE ;THE ONE THAT WAS TO COME BEFORE i CAME ,HAD COME ; this is how I understand it from scriptures
both were announced to come ,but one before the other
Pierre,Read the context:
Matthew 11
11 Truly I tell you, among those born of women there has not risen anyone greater than John the Baptist; yet whoever is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.12 From the days of John the Baptist until now, the kingdom of heaven has been subjected to violence, and violent people have been raiding it. 1
3 For all the Prophets and the Law prophesied until John.
14 And if you are willing to accept it, he is the Elijah who was to come.
15 Whoever has ears, let them hear.
Who does the word “HE”, in verse 14, refer to….. if not to John the Baptist?
You say that “both were announced to come, one before the other”, right?
Well, WHO EXACTLY came “before Jesus”? Who was the Elijah who was to come before the Messiah, if not John the Baptist?
Mikeso John the baptist is Elijah reincarnated
through John father and mother
I do not know one scripture that talks about reincarnation of any kind ,
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Quote Well, WHO EXACTLY came “before Jesus”? Who was the Elijah who was to come before the Messiah, if not John the Baptist? WHO REALLY WAS THE CHRIST TO COME AFTER THAT ELIJAH COME
WAS IT JESUS OF NAZARETH YESWHO REALLY WAS THE ELIJAH THAT AS TO COME BEFORE THE MESSIAH
WAS IT NOT JOHN THE BAPTIST YES IT WAS WHAT DOES THE NAME OF ELIJAH MEANS
“My God is Yahweh) AND WHAT DID HE SUPPOSE TO DO WHEN HE CAME BEFORE THE ANOINTED ONE ARE ALL THOSE SCRIPTURES FULFILLED IN THE WORKS OF JOHN THE BAPTIST YES
Pierre,The answers you yourself gave BELOW the dotted lines actually rule out the things you “haven't heard about” ABOVE the dotted lines.
In other words, your claim that you “don't know of any scripture that speaks of reincarnation” is completely RULED OUT by the truthful scriptural answers you gave later.
YES, John the Baptist IS the one who came before Christ, to pave the way for him. So YES, therefore John the Baptist IS the Elijah who was to come and pave the way for the Messiah.
See? Those are YOUR answers. And those scripturally FACTUAL things outweigh any “mysteries” that we haven't been shown the answers to – like “reincarnations”.
and by no means john the baptist his(I mean Physically ) Elijah from the old testament
T.Can you translate this scripture to your own understanding?
In english please;not in foreign tongues.Malachi 4:5
***Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet***
***before the coming***
***of the great and *dreadful* day of the LORD***:wakeup.
W
I will if you explain the words of Christ from Mathew:11:14/15
First,
T.I know you will never asnwer, even simple questions.
Maybe Mike will.You believe that Elijah came two thousand years ago.
John just baptised for a few months and he was killed.What about rev.11. the one that can stop the rain.
wakeup.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 24 2014,12:00) Quote (Ed J @ June 22 2014,17:49) 16: For by him(YHVH) were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth,
visible and invisible(5), whether they be (1)thrones, or (2)dominions, or (3)principalities,
or (4)powers: all things were created by him, and for him: (Rev.4:11)
The word “YHVH” in your quote is wrong, Ed.First, the word “by” is properly translated as “through” in this case. (The KJV's “by” MEANT “through” anyway, but “through” makes the meaning clearer in today's English.)
Second, the “him” is Jesus, as verse 15 and 16 are one long sentence in the Greek. “He is the firstborn of every creature FOR through him, all things were created………….”.
Hi Mike,Would 'you' have us to believe that by Jesus these things “in Heaven” were created…
1. God's throne
2. God's dominion
3. God's principality
4. God's power
5. God himselfCan you not see the flaw in 'your' assertion? <– Will you please address this
Sorry, but the original Greek has *NO* punctuation. You need to get the facts straight.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeboll64 @ June 24 2014,12:09) Quote (Ed J @ June 22 2014,18:57) 1) Yes, but what does that have to do with the price of tea in China? 5) The Apostle Paul makes the point that Jesus was the first to be resurrected to point to his preeminence.
Your #5 actually answers your #1, Ed.Let's condense the statement a little………
Jesus is the firstborn of every creature, and also the firstborn from the dead, so that he might have preeminence in everything.
(Note: The actual Greek words are, “in order that he may become in all things, himself, first.”)
So, was he LITERALLY the “first” to be born again from the dead to everlasting life? YES.
Was he LITERALLY the “first” of every creature who ever lived to be born? Again, YES.
You say YES to one of them, but NO to the other.
And my point is that it is ONLY your own personal wishes that make you say NO to that other one. You have no SCRIPTURAL reason to say NO. There is no CONTEXT that would make one of them be YES, and the other be NO. There is no HINT in that scripture that one of them is LITERAL, and the other is METAPHORICAL.
Yet, you have decided for yourself that one of them IS literal, and the other IS metaphorical.
Interesting…………
Hi Mike, You just don't get, do you?How does the first t-h-i-n-g created have PREEMINENCE?
Man was the LAST thing created (on Earth) and DOES HAVE preeminence.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgYour idea works here, Heaven was created before Earth and DOES HAVE preeminence
“In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth” (Gen 1:1)
But, YOUR THEORY falls apart here, because “GRASS” was created before MAN, but Man has the preeminence
“And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, …And the earth brought forth grass,
…And the evening and the morning were the third day.” (Gen 1:11…13)Quote (terraricca @ June 23 2014,19:30) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 24 2014,06:54)
Matthew 11
14 And if you are willing to accept it, he is the Elijah who was to come.15 Whoever has ears, let them hear.
and by no means john the baptist his(I mean Physically ) Elijah from the old testament
You are welcome to that opinion, Pierre. After all, Jesus did say it was for those who are “willing to accept it”, and for those who “have ears”, right?Quote (Ed J @ June 24 2014,02:59) Hi Mike, Would 'you' have us to believe that by Jesus these things “in Heaven” were created…
5. God himself
Can you not see the flaw in 'your' assertion? <– Will you please address this
Would YOU have us believe that YHVH created “God Himself”? Can YOU now see the flaw in YOUR “rebuttal”?
Quote (Ed J @ June 24 2014,02:59) Sorry, but the original Greek has *NO* punctuation. You need to get the facts straight.
Colossians 1:18 NET ©
He is the head of the body, the church, as well as the beginning, the firstborn 1 from among the dead, so that he himself may become first in all things. 2Footnote #2:
Grk: “in order that he may become in all things, himself, first.”If it makes you understand it BETTER, then mentally take out all of the punctuation, and learn what I was teaching you from just the words themselves.
My point has been made……. whether or not the NET scholars added a little punctuation to make it easier for us to understand. If you wish, you can address the POINT – instead of straining the gnat.
Quote (Ed J @ June 24 2014,02:59) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 24 2014,12:00)
Second, the “him” is Jesus, as verse 15 and 16 are one long sentence in the Greek. “He is the firstborn of every creature FOR through him, all things were created………….”.Sorry, but the original Greek has *NO* punctuation. You need to get the facts straight.
Okay then, once again WITHOUT any punctuation……….he is the firstborn of every creature for through him all things were created
You would have us believe that Paul is saying:
JESUS is the firstborn of every creature for through JEHOVAH all things were created
But that makes no sense. How would Jehovah creating all things in heaven be the REASON Jesus was the firstborn of every creature?
(I say “reason” because of the word “FOR”, that links the statement together. You know, the word you pretend is not there. )Not to mention that verse 16 is sandwiched between verses 15 (which is CLEARLY about Jesus), and verse 18 (which is also CLEARLY about Jesus).
What hint did Paul give to make you know he STOPPED talking about Jesus, and began to talk about God in verse 16?
Ed, this is not the only scripture you do this to. You don't want the scripture to teach what it clearly teaches, so you PRETEND the writer has just up and switched subjects, with no warning or hint, in the middle of his statement. (You also do it with John 1) This is not the way to the TRUTH of the scriptures.
Quote (Ed J @ June 24 2014,03:22) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 24 2014,12:09) Quote (Ed J @ June 22 2014,18:57) 1) Yes, but what does that have to do with the price of tea in China? 5) The Apostle Paul makes the point that Jesus was the first to be resurrected to point to his preeminence.
Your #5 actually answers your #1, Ed.Let's condense the statement a little………
Jesus is the firstborn of every creature, and also the firstborn from the dead, so that he might have preeminence in everything.
(Note: The actual Greek words are, “in order that he may become in all things, himself, first.”)
So, was he LITERALLY the “first” to be born again from the dead to everlasting life? YES.
Was he LITERALLY the “first” of every creature who ever lived to be born? Again, YES.
You say YES to one of them, but NO to the other.
And my point is that it is ONLY your own personal wishes that make you say NO to that other one. You have no SCRIPTURAL reason to say NO. There is no CONTEXT that would make one of them be YES, and the other be NO. There is no HINT in that scripture that one of them is LITERAL, and the other is METAPHORICAL.
Yet, you have decided for yourself that one of them IS literal, and the other IS metaphorical.
Interesting…………
Hi Mike, You just don't get, do you?How does the first t-h-i-n-g created have PREEMINENCE?
Man was the LAST thing created (on Earth) and DOES HAVE preeminence.
You're kidding me, right?That would mean that the LAST one to be raised from death to everlasting life would be the preeminent one. Not Jesus, but the LAST one to be raised. Is that how it really is?
Come on Eddy.
Please address the points in my post. Tell me how you determined that “firstborn from the dead” is a LITERAL statement, but “firstborn of every creature” is NOT.
And how does your reasoning hold up against the knowledge that the actual Greek words were: in order that he may become in all things, himself, first?
In all things? Or just in the “firstborn from the dead” thing?
Quote (Ed J @ June 24 2014,03:32) Your idea works here, Heaven was created before Earth and DOES HAVE preeminence “In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth” (Gen 1:1)
But, YOUR THEORY falls apart here, because “GRASS” was created before MAN, but Man has the preeminence
“And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, …And the earth brought forth grass,
…And the evening and the morning were the third day.” (Gen 1:11…13)
Good, you caught yourself so I didn't have to.Just because a thing goes one way in one scripture doesn't mean that is ALWAYS the way it is.
Take Esau and Jacob, for instance. Whose rights were more valuable, and therefore more “preeminent”? Esau's FIRSTborn rights? Or Jacob's SECONDborn rights?
Just use common sense concerning the passage we are actually discussing, Ed. Jesus isn't preeminent because he is the LAST one raised from the dead, right? So therefore, being the LASTborn son of God would also not be the “preeminent” son of God.
Why do you think they make such a big deal out of telling us that God loved us so much He gave up His FIRSTborn Son for us? Surely you don't think God gave up His LEAST preeminent Son, do you? Surely you know that God's FIRSTborn Son is the preeminent one, right?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 25 2014,07:56) Quote (terraricca @ June 23 2014,19:30) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 24 2014,06:54)
Matthew 11
14 And if you are willing to accept it, he is the Elijah who was to come.15 Whoever has ears, let them hear.
and by no means john the baptist his(I mean Physically ) Elijah from the old testament
You are welcome to that opinion, Pierre. After all, Jesus did say it was for those who are “willing to accept it”, and for those who “have ears”, right?
agreed ,2 Corinthians 4:4
***In whom the god of this world hath blinded***
***the minds of them which believe not***,
***lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ***,
***who is the image of God, should shine unto them***.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ June 25 2014,09:56) 2 Corinthians 4:4
***In whom the god of this world hath blinded***
***the minds of them which believe not***,
***lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ***,
***who is the image of God, should shine unto them***.wakeup.
wlooks like a ransom demand ;letter all cut out ,to hide the real background of them,not the way of a honest mind
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