Who and why is enoch?

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  • #389133
    seekingtruth
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    Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 16 2014,19:34)
    For example, Wm………..

    Kerwin and I have looked to Enoch for help in our disagreements about Paul's meaning of “spiritual bodies” in 1 Cor 15, and about who the phrase “sons of God” referred to in Gen 1:6.

    The words in Enoch clearly supported my (and the majority) understanding of both of those Biblical teachings.  So in that way, I was able to use Enoch as a further support to my interpretation of scripture, because, at the very least, WHOEVER wrote the Book of Enoch understood those two Biblical passages the same way I (and the majority) understand them.

    On the other hand, Kerwin used Enoch to show me about 10 different heavens.  I can't see where 10 heavens directly contradicts any particular scripture – but in this case, I don't think I'd necessarily build a “10 Heaven Doctrine” around it.


    :)

    #389143
    terraricca
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    Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 17 2014,05:53)

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    Quote (Wakeup @ June 16 2014,11:38)
    The apostles accepted the book of Enoch

    by your standards ???

    show me that it is written ,no need for your advice ,truth will do ,


    Pierre,

    From here:

    Jesus’ own half-brother Jude quotes from the Book of Enoch saying:

    Jude 1:14-15 (NIV Bible)
    Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men: “See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones to judge everyone, and to convict all the ungodly of all the ungodly acts they have done in the ungodly way, and of all the harsh words ungodlysinners have spoken against him.”

    First of all, while the Book of Enoch is quoted (specifically 1Enoch 1:9), Jude attributes his quote not to the Book of Enoch, but to the man Enoch (Enoch, seventh from Adam).

    Since we have copies of the Book of Enoch which predate the Book of Jude, this quote tells us that Enoch seventh from Adam wrote the Book of Enoch.

    Secondly, Jude uses the word “prophecy.” Jude tells us that this quote from Enoch, which comes from the Book of Enoch, is prophecy.

    That is a very important statement.  Regarding prophecy, Peter writes:

    2 Peter 1:20-21 (NIV Bible)
    Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet's own interpretation.

    For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.

    So if, as Jude tells us, the Book of Enoch is “prophecy,” then Peter tells us that it was inspired by the Holy Spirit.

    Pretty clever, if you ask me.  :)


    mIKE

    I am well aware of the the books of Enoch I have read them ,but still do not accept them ,

    I know that the scriptures quoted Enoch if it was from those book or not I do not know ,but my view is this ;if the apostles only took those quotes about Enoch this tells me what about the other stuff ???

    and what can you find more that lines up with the scriptures ??? i mean in the books

    #389149
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (terraricca @ June 17 2014,14:08)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 17 2014,05:53)

    Quote (terraricca @ June 16 2014,08:18)

    Quote (Wakeup @ June 16 2014,11:38)
    The apostles accepted the book of Enoch

    by your standards ???

    show me that it is written ,no need for your advice ,truth will do ,


    Pierre,

    From here:

    Jesus’ own half-brother Jude quotes from the Book of Enoch saying:

    Jude 1:14-15 (NIV Bible)
    Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men: “See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones to judge everyone, and to convict all the ungodly of all the ungodly acts they have done in the ungodly way, and of all the harsh words ungodlysinners have spoken against him.”

    First of all, while the Book of Enoch is quoted (specifically 1Enoch 1:9), Jude attributes his quote not to the Book of Enoch, but to the man Enoch (Enoch, seventh from Adam).

    Since we have copies of the Book of Enoch which predate the Book of Jude, this quote tells us that Enoch seventh from Adam wrote the Book of Enoch.

    Secondly, Jude uses the word “prophecy.” Jude tells us that this quote from Enoch, which comes from the Book of Enoch, is prophecy.

    That is a very important statement.  Regarding prophecy, Peter writes:

    2 Peter 1:20-21 (NIV Bible)
    Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet's own interpretation.

    For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.

    So if, as Jude tells us, the Book of Enoch is “prophecy,” then Peter tells us that it was inspired by the Holy Spirit.

    Pretty clever, if you ask me.  :)


    mIKE

    I am well aware of the the books of Enoch I have read them ,but still do not accept them ,

    I know that the scriptures quoted Enoch if it was from those book or not I do not know ,but my view is this ;if the apostles only took those quotes about Enoch this tells me what about the other stuff ???

    and what can you find more that lines up with the scriptures ??? i mean in the books


    T.

    You may have read the book of Enoch.
    But not necessary have understood.
    A good one for you to read is the ten weeks.
    From week one to week ten.

    wakeup.

    #389173
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ June 17 2014,10:35)

    Quote (terraricca @ June 17 2014,14:08)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 17 2014,05:53)

    Quote (terraricca @ June 16 2014,08:18)

    Quote (Wakeup @ June 16 2014,11:38)
    The apostles accepted the book of Enoch

    by your standards ???

    show me that it is written ,no need for your advice ,truth will do ,


    Pierre,

    From here:

    Jesus’ own half-brother Jude quotes from the Book of Enoch saying:

    Jude 1:14-15 (NIV Bible)
    Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men: “See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones to judge everyone, and to convict all the ungodly of all the ungodly acts they have done in the ungodly way, and of all the harsh words ungodlysinners have spoken against him.”

    First of all, while the Book of Enoch is quoted (specifically 1Enoch 1:9), Jude attributes his quote not to the Book of Enoch, but to the man Enoch (Enoch, seventh from Adam).

    Since we have copies of the Book of Enoch which predate the Book of Jude, this quote tells us that Enoch seventh from Adam wrote the Book of Enoch.

    Secondly, Jude uses the word “prophecy.” Jude tells us that this quote from Enoch, which comes from the Book of Enoch, is prophecy.

    That is a very important statement.  Regarding prophecy, Peter writes:

    2 Peter 1:20-21 (NIV Bible)
    Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet's own interpretation.

    For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.

    So if, as Jude tells us, the Book of Enoch is “prophecy,” then Peter tells us that it was inspired by the Holy Spirit.

    Pretty clever, if you ask me.  :)


    mIKE

    I am well aware of the the books of Enoch I have read them ,but still do not accept them ,

    I know that the scriptures quoted Enoch if it was from those book or not I do not know ,but my view is this ;if the apostles only took those quotes about Enoch this tells me what about the other stuff ???

    and what can you find more that lines up with the scriptures ??? i mean in the books


    T.

    You may have read the book of Enoch.
    But not necessary have understood.
    A good one for you to read is the ten weeks.
    From week one to week ten.

    wakeup.


    W

    you are looking to understand other books in hope that they would give you some new light in scriptures but will never happen ,

    the word of God as to be understood within it own scriptures with the right heart and mind ,

    failing to do this you will never come to the full understanding of God words and prophecy

    #389177
    journey42
    Participant

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 17 2014,10:53)

    Quote (terraricca @ June 16 2014,08:18)

    Quote (Wakeup @ June 16 2014,11:38)
    The apostles accepted the book of Enoch

    by your standards ???

    show me that it is written ,no need for your advice ,truth will do ,


    Pierre,

    From here:

    Jesus’ own half-brother Jude quotes from the Book of Enoch saying:

    Jude 1:14-15 (NIV Bible)
    Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men: “See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones to judge everyone, and to convict all the ungodly of all the ungodly acts they have done in the ungodly way, and of all the harsh words ungodlysinners have spoken against him.”

    First of all, while the Book of Enoch is quoted (specifically 1Enoch 1:9), Jude attributes his quote not to the Book of Enoch, but to the man Enoch (Enoch, seventh from Adam).

    Since we have copies of the Book of Enoch which predate the Book of Jude, this quote tells us that Enoch seventh from Adam wrote the Book of Enoch.

    Secondly, Jude uses the word “prophecy.” Jude tells us that this quote from Enoch, which comes from the Book of Enoch, is prophecy.

    That is a very important statement.  Regarding prophecy, Peter writes:

    2 Peter 1:20-21 (NIV Bible)
    Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet's own interpretation.

    For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.

    So if, as Jude tells us, the Book of Enoch is “prophecy,” then Peter tells us that it was inspired by the Holy Spirit.

    Pretty clever, if you ask me.  :)


    Mike

    That was really well explained!

    #389179
    journey42
    Participant

    The Book of Enoch is a very large book.
    Could you imagine how big our bibles would be if this book was included in it?

    The book of Enoch has many prophesies which align perfectly with the prophesies in the holy bible.  I have not studied this book for quite some time, but did so with Wakeup a couple of years ago, and we went through every single word, and analysed.  I was skeptical at first, but when Wakeup translated everything and explained to me the interpretations, alongside with scripture, I was gob smacked.

    #389234
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Quote (terraricca @ June 16 2014,21:08)
    mIKE

    I am well aware of the the books of Enoch I have read them ,but still do not accept them


    That is your choice, Pierre. I see it more like Wm posted the other day. Enoch is fine to use as support to things already taught in scripture……. but we probably shouldn't go building doctrines around the other things in those books.

    When I read them some more, I will be able to make a more informed decision about them.

    #389236
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Quote (journey42 @ June 17 2014,09:24)
    Mike

    That was really well explained!


    Thanks! I only wish I could take the credit for it. :)

    It seems simple enough: Jude called Enoch prophesy, and Peter said all prophesy comes from God – not man.

    But I'm looking forward to reading Book 1 again, and reading 2 and 3 for the first time.

    In fact, I plan to read all of the Apocrypha after I finish this trip through the Bible.

    #389250
    terraricca
    Participant

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    Mike

    That was really well explained!


    Thanks!  I only wish I could take the credit for it.  :)

    It seems simple enough:  Jude called Enoch prophesy, and Peter said all prophesy comes from God – not man.

    But I'm looking forward to reading Book 1 again, and reading 2 and 3 for the first time.

    In fact, I plan to read all of the Apocrypha after I finish this trip through the Bible.


    mIKE

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    In fact, I plan to read all of the Apocrypha after I finish this trip through the Bible.

    i DID THAT MANY YEARS AGO ;I am wandering if you will see what is wrong with them ,but i will not tell you now but God willing we talk more about it after you have read them ,ok ??? :)

    #389256
    Wakeup
    Participant

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    Mike

    That was really well explained!


    Thanks!  I only wish I could take the credit for it.  :)

    It seems simple enough:  Jude called Enoch prophesy, and Peter said all prophesy comes from God – not man.

    But I'm looking forward to reading Book 1 again, and reading 2 and 3 for the first time.

    In fact, I plan to read all of the Apocrypha after I finish this trip through the Bible.


    mIKE

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    In fact, I plan to read all of the Apocrypha after I finish this trip through the Bible.

    i DID THAT MANY YEARS AGO ;I am wandering if you will see what is wrong with them ,but i will not tell you now but God willing we talk more about it after you have read them ,ok ??? :)


    T.

    Genesis 5:24 And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.

    God took enoch;He did not kill him.
    Enoch wrote the book AFTER he was taken,not before.
    The angels guided him, and told him to write down what he saw.

    Elijah was also taken by God;he did not kill him.
    Elijah is not dead;and so is Enoch.

    wakeup.

    #389269
    terraricca
    Participant

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    Mike

    That was really well explained!


    Thanks!  I only wish I could take the credit for it.  :)

    It seems simple enough:  Jude called Enoch prophesy, and Peter said all prophesy comes from God – not man.

    But I'm looking forward to reading Book 1 again, and reading 2 and 3 for the first time.

    In fact, I plan to read all of the Apocrypha after I finish this trip through the Bible.


    mIKE

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    In fact, I plan to read all of the Apocrypha after I finish this trip through the Bible.

    i DID THAT MANY YEARS AGO ;I am wandering if you will see what is wrong with them ,but i will not tell you now but God willing we talk more about it after you have read them ,ok ??? :)


    T.

    Genesis 5:24   And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.

    God took enoch;He did not kill him.
    Enoch wrote the book AFTER he was taken,not before.
    The angels guided him, and told him to write down what he saw.

    Elijah was also taken by God;he did not kill him.
    Elijah is not dead;and so is Enoch.

    wakeup.


    W

    Quote
    God took enoch;He did not kill him.
    Enoch wrote the book AFTER he was taken,not before.
    The angels guided him, and told him to write down what he saw.

    scriptures ???

    Quote
    Elijah was also taken by God;he did not kill him.
    Elijah is not dead;and so is Enoch.

    any scriptures beside your opinion ???

    in my book anyone that is no longer seen or is no more with the living is dead in the flesh ,

    according to scriptures ;

    #389279
    Wakeup
    Participant

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    Mike

    That was really well explained!


    Thanks!  I only wish I could take the credit for it.  :)

    It seems simple enough:  Jude called Enoch prophesy, and Peter said all prophesy comes from God – not man.

    But I'm looking forward to reading Book 1 again, and reading 2 and 3 for the first time.

    In fact, I plan to read all of the Apocrypha after I finish this trip through the Bible.


    mIKE

    Quote
    In fact, I plan to read all of the Apocrypha after I finish this trip through the Bible.

    i DID THAT MANY YEARS AGO ;I am wandering if you will see what is wrong with them ,but i will not tell you now but God willing we talk more about it after you have read them ,ok ??? :)


    T.

    Genesis 5:24   And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.

    God took enoch;He did not kill him.
    Enoch wrote the book AFTER he was taken,not before.
    The angels guided him, and told him to write down what he saw.

    Elijah was also taken by God;he did not kill him.
    Elijah is not dead;and so is Enoch.

    wakeup.


    W

    Quote
    God took enoch;He did not kill him.
    Enoch wrote the book AFTER he was taken,not before.
    The angels guided him, and told him to write down what he saw.

    scriptures ???

    Quote
    Elijah was also taken by God;he did not kill him.
    Elijah is not dead;and so is Enoch.

    any scriptures beside your opinion ???

    in my book anyone that is no longer seen or is no more with the living is dead in the flesh ,

    according to scriptures ;


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    in my book anyone that is no longer seen or is no more with the living is dead in the flesh ,

    Elijah was taken up.
    Is he also dead in your book?

    But He is coming back,rev 11.Then killed.

    wakeup.

    #389281
    terraricca
    Participant

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    Mike

    That was really well explained!


    Thanks!  I only wish I could take the credit for it.  :)

    It seems simple enough:  Jude called Enoch prophesy, and Peter said all prophesy comes from God – not man.

    But I'm looking forward to reading Book 1 again, and reading 2 and 3 for the first time.

    In fact, I plan to read all of the Apocrypha after I finish this trip through the Bible.


    mIKE

    Quote
    In fact, I plan to read all of the Apocrypha after I finish this trip through the Bible.

    i DID THAT MANY YEARS AGO ;I am wandering if you will see what is wrong with them ,but i will not tell you now but God willing we talk more about it after you have read them ,ok ??? :)


    T.

    Genesis 5:24   And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.

    God took enoch;He did not kill him.
    Enoch wrote the book AFTER he was taken,not before.
    The angels guided him, and told him to write down what he saw.

    Elijah was also taken by God;he did not kill him.
    Elijah is not dead;and so is Enoch.

    wakeup.


    W

    Quote
    God took enoch;He did not kill him.
    Enoch wrote the book AFTER he was taken,not before.
    The angels guided him, and told him to write down what he saw.

    scriptures ???

    Quote
    Elijah was also taken by God;he did not kill him.
    Elijah is not dead;and so is Enoch.

    any scriptures beside your opinion ???

    in my book anyone that is no longer seen or is no more with the living is dead in the flesh ,

    according to scriptures ;


    Quote

    in my book anyone that is no longer seen or is no more with the living is dead in the flesh ,

    Elijah was taken up.
    Is he also dead in your book?

    But He is coming back,rev 11.Then killed.

    wakeup.


    w

    i do not see that name in Revelation 11 can you show me ???

    #389292
    Wakeup
    Participant

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    Mike

    That was really well explained!


    Thanks!  I only wish I could take the credit for it.  :)

    It seems simple enough:  Jude called Enoch prophesy, and Peter said all prophesy comes from God – not man.

    But I'm looking forward to reading Book 1 again, and reading 2 and 3 for the first time.

    In fact, I plan to read all of the Apocrypha after I finish this trip through the Bible.


    mIKE

    Quote
    In fact, I plan to read all of the Apocrypha after I finish this trip through the Bible.

    i DID THAT MANY YEARS AGO ;I am wandering if you will see what is wrong with them ,but i will not tell you now but God willing we talk more about it after you have read them ,ok ??? :)


    T.

    Genesis 5:24   And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.

    God took enoch;He did not kill him.
    Enoch wrote the book AFTER he was taken,not before.
    The angels guided him, and told him to write down what he saw.

    Elijah was also taken by God;he did not kill him.
    Elijah is not dead;and so is Enoch.

    wakeup.


    W

    Quote
    God took enoch;He did not kill him.
    Enoch wrote the book AFTER he was taken,not before.
    The angels guided him, and told him to write down what he saw.

    scriptures ???

    Quote
    Elijah was also taken by God;he did not kill him.
    Elijah is not dead;and so is Enoch.

    any scriptures beside your opinion ???

    in my book anyone that is no longer seen or is no more with the living is dead in the flesh ,

    according to scriptures ;


    Quote

    in my book anyone that is no longer seen or is no more with the living is dead in the flesh ,

    Elijah was taken up.
    Is he also dead in your book?

    But He is coming back,rev 11.Then killed.

    wakeup.


    w

    i do not see that name in Revelation 11  can you show me ???


    Malachi 4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:

    Can you see the name Elijah there?

    wakeup.

    #389295
    terraricca
    Participant

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    Mike

    That was really well explained!


    Thanks!  I only wish I could take the credit for it.  :)

    It seems simple enough:  Jude called Enoch prophesy, and Peter said all prophesy comes from God – not man.

    But I'm looking forward to reading Book 1 again, and reading 2 and 3 for the first time.

    In fact, I plan to read all of the Apocrypha after I finish this trip through the Bible.


    mIKE

    Quote
    In fact, I plan to read all of the Apocrypha after I finish this trip through the Bible.

    i DID THAT MANY YEARS AGO ;I am wandering if you will see what is wrong with them ,but i will not tell you now but God willing we talk more about it after you have read them ,ok ??? :)


    T.

    Genesis 5:24   And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.

    God took enoch;He did not kill him.
    Enoch wrote the book AFTER he was taken,not before.
    The angels guided him, and told him to write down what he saw.

    Elijah was also taken by God;he did not kill him.
    Elijah is not dead;and so is Enoch.

    wakeup.


    W

    Quote
    God took enoch;He did not kill him.
    Enoch wrote the book AFTER he was taken,not before.
    The angels guided him, and told him to write down what he saw.

    scriptures ???

    Quote
    Elijah was also taken by God;he did not kill him.
    Elijah is not dead;and so is Enoch.

    any scriptures beside your opinion ???

    in my book anyone that is no longer seen or is no more with the living is dead in the flesh ,

    according to scriptures ;


    Quote

    in my book anyone that is no longer seen or is no more with the living is dead in the flesh ,

    Elijah was taken up.
    Is he also dead in your book?

    But He is coming back,rev 11.Then killed.

    wakeup.


    w

    i do not see that name in Revelation 11  can you show me ???


    Malachi 4:5   Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:

    Can you see the name Elijah there?

    wakeup.


    w

    and you do you see Elijah here ;???

    MK 9:11 They asked Him, saying, “Why is it that the scribes say that Elijah must come first?”
    MK 9:12 And He said to them, “Elijah does first come and restore all things. And yet how is it written of the Son of Man that He will suffer many things and be treated with contempt?

    MK 9:13 “But I say to you that Elijah has indeed come, and they did to him whatever they wished, just as it is written of him.”

    John the baptist was the one that declared the Elijah

    Elijah (Hebrew: אֱלִיָּהוּ, Eliyahu, meaning “My God is Yahweh”)

    Jn 1:23 John replied in the words of Isaiah the prophet, “I am the voice of one calling in the desert, ‘Make straight the way for the Lord.(Yahweh’) ”

    #389305
    mikeboll64
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    In fact, I plan to read all of the Apocrypha after I finish this trip through the Bible.

    i DID THAT MANY YEARS AGO ;I am wandering if you will see what is wrong with them ,but i will not tell you now but God willing we talk more about it after you have read them ,ok ??? :)


    Okay. I'll let you know when I start. I'll probably even make some threads on HN as I read through those different books……… to see if anyone else has insight or ideas about the things written in them.

    #389317
    Wakeup
    Participant

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    Mike

    That was really well explained!


    Thanks!  I only wish I could take the credit for it.  :)

    It seems simple enough:  Jude called Enoch prophesy, and Peter said all prophesy comes from God – not man.

    But I'm looking forward to reading Book 1 again, and reading 2 and 3 for the first time.

    In fact, I plan to read all of the Apocrypha after I finish this trip through the Bible.


    mIKE

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    In fact, I plan to read all of the Apocrypha after I finish this trip through the Bible.

    i DID THAT MANY YEARS AGO ;I am wandering if you will see what is wrong with them ,but i will not tell you now but God willing we talk more about it after you have read them ,ok ??? :)


    T.

    Genesis 5:24   And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.

    God took enoch;He did not kill him.
    Enoch wrote the book AFTER he was taken,not before.
    The angels guided him, and told him to write down what he saw.

    Elijah was also taken by God;he did not kill him.
    Elijah is not dead;and so is Enoch.

    wakeup.


    W

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    God took enoch;He did not kill him.
    Enoch wrote the book AFTER he was taken,not before.
    The angels guided him, and told him to write down what he saw.

    scriptures ???

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    Elijah was also taken by God;he did not kill him.
    Elijah is not dead;and so is Enoch.

    any scriptures beside your opinion ???

    in my book anyone that is no longer seen or is no more with the living is dead in the flesh ,

    according to scriptures ;


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    in my book anyone that is no longer seen or is no more with the living is dead in the flesh ,

    Elijah was taken up.
    Is he also dead in your book?

    But He is coming back,rev 11.Then killed.

    wakeup.


    w

    i do not see that name in Revelation 11  can you show me ???


    Malachi 4:5   Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:

    Can you see the name Elijah there?

    wakeup.


    w

    and you do you see Elijah here ;???

    MK 9:11 They asked Him, saying, “Why is it that the scribes say that Elijah must come first?”
    MK 9:12 And He said to them, “Elijah does first come and restore all things. And yet how is it written of the Son of Man that He will suffer many things and be treated with contempt?

    MK 9:13 “But I say to you that Elijah has indeed come, and they did to him whatever they wished, just as it is written of him.”

    John the baptist was the one that declared  the Elijah

    Elijah (Hebrew: אֱלִיָּהוּ, Eliyahu, meaning “My God is Yahweh”)

    Jn 1:23 John replied in the words of Isaiah the prophet, “I am the voice of one calling in the desert, ‘Make straight the way for the Lord.(Yahweh’) ”


    T.

    You are once again denying scriptures
    for your own sake.

    Malachi 4:5
    ***Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet ***
    ***before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the
    LORD***

    BEFORE THE GREAT AND DREADFUL DAY OF THE LORD.
    MEANING : BEFORE THE COMING.

    wakeup.

    #389379
    terraricca
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    w

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    T.

    You are once again denying scriptures
    for your own sake.

    Malachi 4:5
    ***Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet ***
    ***before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the
    LORD***

    BEFORE THE GREAT AND DREADFUL DAY OF THE LORD.
    MEANING : BEFORE THE COMING.

    wakeup.

    why do you not believe what Christ says ???? MK 9:13 “But I (Jesus)say to you that Elijah has indeed come, and they did to him whatever they wished, just as it is written of him.”

    do not understand that Jesus meant that it was John the Baptist and they cut his head off

    #389382
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (terraricca @ June 20 2014,17:15)
    w

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    T.

    You are once again denying scriptures
    for your own sake.

    Malachi 4:5  
    ***Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet ***
    ***before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the  
       LORD***

    BEFORE THE GREAT AND DREADFUL DAY OF THE LORD.
    MEANING : BEFORE THE COMING.

    wakeup.

    why do you not believe what Christ says ???? MK 9:13 “But I (Jesus)say to you that Elijah has indeed come, and they did to him whatever they wished, just as it is written of him.”

    do not understand that Jesus meant that it was John the Baptist and they cut his head off


    T.

    Understanding what you read is important.

    John the baptist came in the spirit of Ilijah
    for those jews back then.
    Ilijah will come again for the jews of the last days.

    wakeup.

    #389383
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 19 2014,10:54)

    Quote (terraricca @ June 17 2014,21:39)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 18 2014,07:50)

    In fact, I plan to read all of the Apocrypha after I finish this trip through the Bible.

    i DID THAT MANY YEARS AGO ;I am wandering if you will see what is wrong with them ,but i will not tell you now but God willing we talk more about it after you have read them ,ok ??? :)


    Okay.  I'll let you know when I start.  I'll probably even make some threads on HN as I read through those different books……… to see if anyone else has insight or ideas about the things written in them.


    That is a great idea; would be very interesting.

    wakeup.

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