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Nick,
John did not enter the new covenant as that would not be established before Jesus ascended to heaven to mediate it. The kingdom of heaven is the words testifying of its coming as well as the new covenant itself.
John stated he need to be immersed by Jesus before you claim he received the Holy Spirit in its role of Councilor.
Why do you think he did?
Hi KW,
John was a prophet so in him already was the Spirit of Christ[1 peter 1]
But the Spirit was given without measure to Jesus Christ.
Nick,
You did not address my point.
John said that even before Jesus was immersed and had the Spirit alight on him in the form of a dove that he should be immersed by Jesus and not the other way around. Why did he say that?
A good point about John having the Spirit in such a way as he was not part of the new covenant.
Hi KW,
He acknowledged that the way of Christ was greater than the way of the Law he was under.
But it was not of the will of God for him
Nick
Hi davidl,
Indeed all who met and heard Jesus Christ met and heard the Father in him.
Only if they were of the Spirit of course.
– SO FUNNY HOW YOU DENY THE TRINITY…!!!!!!!!!!
Kerwin
If we are not to take these words of Jesus in a very literal sense (as I believe the Spirit would show us), but instead delegate some lesser meaning to them to suit your own ideas… then I would challenge you to show me any other man in the history of the Church who could say, or even dare to say, these very same words of Christ – “I and the Father are One.”
Scripture teaches us that Jesus Christ being in the form of God did not see being equal to God as plunder but instead humbled himself and took on the form of a servant, a servant God prophesied about by saying My Servant …” Though he posses the form of the one true God he clearly is not the one true God as he is instead the Servant of the one true God.
If we look at what Scripture reveals about the incarnation of Christ we see that He came from a place of being equal to God (One with God),
John puts it, “..was with God..” (Two), “..and was God.” (One)
again highlighting the words of Jesus – “I and the Father (Two) are One.”
with our natural perception we see Two – Father and Son..
but with the eyes of our heart we see ONE – (the Father through the Son by the Spirit – what Scripture calls ‘the Godhead’)
We cannot have the Father without the Son or the Spirit
We cannot have the Son without the Father and the Spirit
We cannot have the Spirit without the Son and the Father
A verse that has been left out of modern translations (because of their reliance on corrupted manuscripts from Alexandria – the seat of Gnostic teaching), states very clearly in the KJV –
“For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.” – 1 John 5:7
Jesus before His birth was not ‘a god’ – but truly as the Word declares, He was and is One with GOD.
“I and the Father are One.” – “The LORD our God is one LORD.”
Hi davidl,
No men use the word GODHEAD in the kjv to suit their dogmas.
Scriptural use is quite different.
No confusion if you trust the Spirit to guide you..
Can’t you see that the Father, Son and Spirit are a Unit – you cannot have just One on it’s own.
– SO FUNNY HOW YOU DENY THE TRINITY…!!!!!!!!!!
Is it as funny as denying the Binity and the Quadrinity?
The Holy Spirit was added to the Binity to complete the Trinity Doctrine. Some have added in redeemed man who can also be one with God and Jesus. Thus a Quadrinity or Polyinity. Anything so long as God is not one. Anything but the one true God the Father who is above all and in all…
I will be honest and say that I don’t think any of them are funny. Definately weird though. It says a lot about the nature of man who is trying to create a God from his own imagination. This sort of thing is why idols are so prolific.
The one true God has revealed himself to man through his son. But it seems that this pearl gets trampled into the mud at every opportunity.
Upon what rock did Jesus build his Church on?
What is so ludicrously funny is that, in your desperation to deny the trinity – you actually keep confirming it…
listen to what Nick said:
Hi davidl,
Indeed all who met and heard Jesus Christ met and heard the Father in him.
Only if they were of the Spirit of course.
Remember – the Three are One Unit..you cannot have the Father without the Son or the Spirit…!!!
You are caught in the blindness of unbelief – trusting your own reason instead of trusting God.
Hi davidl,
When you see the Father and the Son spoken of as
being united with the believers in the one spirit
does you mind immediately see a trinity?
Are you part of this fabrication as well?
t8
Upon what rock did Jesus build his Church on?
Have you forgotten..??
The REVELATION of Jesus Christ – which you continually deny..!!!
Proving that you have turned from the true faith..
to the doctrines of carnal men.
DavidL,
Revelation is not the rock upon which Jesus built his church. It was not Peter either. Humble yourself and list to the Lord and then try again.
DavidL
Kerwin
If we are not to take these words of Jesus in a very literal sense (as I believe the Spirit would show us), but instead delegate some lesser meaning to them to suit your own ideas… then I would challenge you to show me any other man in the history of the Church who could say, or even dare to say, these very same words of Christ – “I and the Father are One.”
Jesus say “that they may be one, even as we are one” so in anyway he means God and him are one so are believers one.
And just in case we misunderstand him he further states ” I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one”
He is speaking the unity of the Spirit.
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