Which Bible should I believe?

[Wakeup]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 14 2013,16:23)

j42 Quote No he has chosen to “offer” eternal life.  Quite the contrary to what you say.  Resist evil, hate it, be no part of it.  This is how he separates the good from the wicked. so God did not created evil ,right Ps 62:11 One thing God has spoken, two things have I heard: that you, O God, are strong, Ps 62:12 and that you, O Lord, are loving. Surely you will reward each person according to what he has done   all what God does his good and truth,righteousness is there good and truth ,righteousness ,in EVIL J42

T.

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is there good and truth ,righteousness ,in EVIL J42

This is what happens when ones knowledge is just skin deep:

1 Jesus was mocked, spat on,kicked,flogged than hanged
alive till dead. THIS IS EVIL.

2. What is the fruits of this evil work?

3.The result is all good: For the door to God is now open.
And all can come to God. And many will be saved.
——————

**GOD CREATED** THE TREE OF GOOD AND EVIL.
NOT SATAN.
GOOD AND EVIL WAS PUT THERE **BY GOD**; NOT BY SATAN.

SATAN IS THE INSTIGATOR; FOR EVE TO CHOOSE TO DO THE EVIL THING: BY MAKING GOD LOOK LIKE THE LIAR.
GOD SAID; YOU SHALL DIE: SATAN SAID NO: YOU SHALL LIVE.

WITH NO TREE OF GOOD AND EVIL;THERE IS NO WAY FOR EVE TO KNOW GOOD AND EVIL.
WITH NO TREE OF GOOD AND EVIL; WE WILL DO AS WE PLEASE NOT KNOWING, THAT WE ARE DOING WRONG IN THE EYES OF GOD.

LUCIFER HAS TAKEN THE BAIT,AND IS NOW SNARED.

Jeremiah 50:24 I have laid a snare for thee, and thou art also taken, O Babylon, and thou wast not aware: thou art found, and also caught, because thou hast striven against the LORD.
GREAT BABYLON THE CITY OF SATAN,IS IN GOD'S SNARE.

wakeup.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 13 2013,04:45)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 13 2013,11:57) journey, do you understand now that “evil” was merely the CHOICE made by the KJV scholars in Is 45:7, and that they could have just as easily CHOSEN “I send trouble”, or “I create adversity” instead? I want to HEAR you and Wakeup both say that you UNDERSTAND this fact.  So………… DO YOU? Mikeb. You have failed to answer these questions before, so please answer this time.

Wakeup,

I already answered the FIRST and SECOND of your original list of questions………… remember?

And I will happily discuss the other scriptures you listed.  But FIRST, I really NEED to read your own words saying that you understand that “ra” was translated various different ways in the KJV, and that it was the CHOICE of the translators as to which way they translated it in which verse – and therefore their CHOICE to translate it as “evil” in Isaiah 45:7.

Why do you avoid saying these words, Wakeup?  Is it because you realize that the minute you acknowledge this clear and undeniable FACT, your “God created evil” claim loses all credibility?

Don't worry about that, since the rest of us on this site already know He didn't create evil, and that the KJV translation of Isaiah 45:7 is a big mistake. In other words, whether or not you ever acknowledge what I'm asking you to acknowledge, the claim already has no credibility. Because whether or not you ever admit the KJV has flaws, the rest of the world knows it does, and has proven it.

Still, I want to HEAR you and journey ACKNOWLEDGE this truth. Hiding from it only tells us that you guys both already KNOW it, but refuse to say it for personal reasons.

If all you're after is truth, then say the truth here and now. You can still prefer the translation of “evil” in Isaiah 45:7 if you'd like, but you must admit that “evil” isn't the only way that verse could be translated.

To do anything less than acknowledge this fact won't CHANGE the fact. It will only change the way we all look at you.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (seekingtruth @ Dec. 13 2013,19:32)

Mike, I quite agree with you on God having no part with evil. I don't believe there is a Bible version without fault, but mistranslations are identified through the guidance of the Holy Spirit and an understanding from the whole of scriptures.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 13 2013,21:16)

Mike, Do I really need to prove to you that God is all knowing?

I agree that God has the ability to know all things.  There are certain scriptures that show that God doesn't always WANT to know all things, and therefore sends out envoys to check the status of the earth, etc.  But that is for a different discussion.  Right now, for the purposes of this discussion, I will agree with you that God is all knowing.

But tell me, does “all knowing” = “I created evil”?

Not by a far stretch of imagination.  So the scriptures you listed, while wonderful, are of no help to you in this discussion.

In fact, the ONLY point left in this discussion is whether or not you are willing to ADMIT the truth of the matter – that “ra” was translated various ways in the KJV, and it was therefore only the CHOICE of the KJV translators to render it as “evil” in Isaiah 45:7.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 13 2013,21:55)

That is a good analysis. Yes you could liken it to a computer virus that was PUT THERE on PURPOSE. PROGRAMMED. I disagree however how you imply it, that it was an “accident” and God did not know what he was doing.

I never implied such a thing.

Listen carefully: The fact that God created beings with free wills, and knew ahead of time that some of those beings would exercise their free wills and rebel against Him, is NOT the same as saying God actually CREATED evil.

Do you understand this?

[Wakeup]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 15 2013,04:33)

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 13 2013,04:45) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 13 2013,11:57) journey, do you understand now that “evil” was merely the CHOICE made by the KJV scholars in Is 45:7, and that they could have just as easily CHOSEN “I send trouble”, or “I create adversity” instead? I want to HEAR you and Wakeup both say that you UNDERSTAND this fact.  So………… DO YOU? Mikeb. You have failed to answer these questions before, so please answer this time. Wakeup, I already answered the FIRST and SECOND of your original list of questions………… remember? And I will happily discuss the other scriptures you listed.  But FIRST, I really NEED to read your own words saying that you understand that “ra” was translated various different ways in the KJV, and that it was the CHOICE of the translators as to which way they translated it in which verse – and therefore their CHOICE to translate it as “evil” in Isaiah 45:7. Why do you avoid saying these words, Wakeup?  Is it because you realize that the minute you acknowledge this clear and undeniable FACT, your “God created evil” claim loses all credibility? Don't worry about that, since the rest of us on this site already know He didn't create evil, and that the KJV translation of Isaiah 45:7 is a big mistake.  In other words, whether or not you ever acknowledge what I'm asking you to acknowledge, the claim already has no credibility.  Because whether or not you ever admit the KJV has flaws, the rest of the world knows it does, and has proven it. Still, I want to HEAR you and journey ACKNOWLEDGE this truth.  Hiding from it only tells us that you guys both already KNOW it, but refuse to say it for personal reasons. If all you're after is truth, then say the truth here and now.  You can still prefer the translation of “evil” in Isaiah 45:7 if you'd like, but you must admit that “evil” isn't the only way that verse could be translated. To do anything less than acknowledge this fact won't CHANGE the fact.  It will only change the way we all look at you.

Mikeb.

Gods index.

Ra – Ancient Egypt

http://www.ancientegypt.co.uk/gods/explore/ra.html

Ra 'Sun'. Appearance: Man with hawk head and headdress with a sun disk. Ra was the sun god. He was the most important god of the ancient Egyptians.

Gods of Ancient Egypt: Ra – Ancient Egypt Online

http://ancientegyptonline.co.uk/ra.html

Ra (Re) was the primary name of the sun god of Ancient Egypt. He was often considered to be the King of the Gods and thus the patron of the pharaoh.

Satan **invented** RA and all the other gods.
RA is just one of them false gods.
Satan has introduced thousands of gods during the ages.

God created Evil: It is because God created lucifer
we have satan the father of evil. There is no mistake in the kjv translation.

God said it Himself;that he created the waster to destroy.
A destroyer is evil.
God created light and darkness.
Out of the mouth of God comes out good and evil.
So can you address the list please.

wakeup.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 13 2013,21:57)

Quote (mikeboll @ 64) journey, do you understand now that “evil” was merely the CHOICE made by the KJV scholars in Is 45:7, and that they could have just as easily CHOSEN “I send trouble”, or “I create adversity” instead? I want to HEAR you and Wakeup both say that you UNDERSTAND this fact.  So………… DO YOU? No you have agreed with them that have corrupted the Word of God.  He said he preserved HIS WORDS for us, and you guys (scribes) have partaken in this sin, and promoted it.

His words are preserved for us, journey.  Don't you believe God has a hand in the fact that we are uncovering older and better ancient mss – so we can correct the scribal alterations of God's word found in the more recent mss?

I do.

I mean, look at 1 John 5:7 in the KJV.  Those extra words aren't in ANY Greek mss before the 14th century.  Why?  Because they were ADDED by a scribe who came much later.  So, should we believe those words were written by John in the original – just because the KJV translated from recent, altered mss?  You say, “Yes.”  And most of us say, “That would be a grave injustice to the words John actually wrote!  It would be a travesty to the written word of God to accept the ALTERATION over the ORIGINAL!”

The question then becomes:  WHY would you say “Yes”?  

Do you really think it makes more sense that someone went back in time and ERASED those extra words from the older mss?  Or can you agree, with the rest of the sane people of the world, that the extra words were more likely ADDED to the newer mss, at a much later time?

At any rate, those added words in 1 John 5:7 should be enough to tell you that the KJV isn't “perfect” or “flawless”.

But now back to the point:

Psalm 27:5 KJV
For in the time of trouble he shall hide me in his pavilion: in the secret of his tabernacle shall he hide me; he shall set me up upon a rock.

Psalm 41:1 KJV
[To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David.] Blessed is he that considereth the poor: the LORD will deliver him in time of trouble.

Psalm 88:3 KJV
For my soul is full of troubles: and my life draweth nigh unto the grave.

Psa 107:26 KJV
They mount up to the heaven, they go down again to the depths: their soul is melted because of trouble.

Jeremiah 2:27 KJV
Saying to a stock, Thou art my father; and to a stone, Thou hast brought me forth: for they have turned their back unto me, and not their face: but in the time of their trouble they will say, Arise, and save us.

Jeremiah 2:28 KJV
But where are thy gods that thou hast made thee? let them arise, if they can save thee in the time of thy trouble: for according to the number of thy cities are thy gods, O Judah.

Jeremiah 11:12 KJV
Then shall the cities of Judah and inhabitants of Jerusalem go, and cry unto the gods unto whom they offer incense: but they shall not save them at all in the time of their trouble.  

Jeremiah 11:14 KJV
Therefore pray not thou for this people, neither lift up a cry or prayer for them: for I will not hear them in the time that they cry unto me for their trouble.  

Jeremiah 51:2 KJV
And will send unto Babylon fanners, that shall fan her, and shall empty her land: for in the day of trouble they shall be against her round about.

Lamentations 1:21 KJV
They have heard that I sigh: there is none to comfort me: all mine enemies have heard of my trouble; they are glad that thou hast done it: thou wilt bring the day that thou hast called, and they shall be like unto me.

journey, all of the words I bolded in the KJV verses above are the Hebrew word “ra”.  All of those bolded “troubles” are translated from the Hebrew word “ra”.  It is the Hebrew word the KJV scholars CHOOSE to translate as “trouble” in the above verses, and as “evil” in Isaiah 45:7.

Now, I can do the same thing with all the verses in which they translate that word as “mischief” (21 verses), “hurt” (20 verses), “bad” (13 verses), “affliction” (6 verses), “ill” (5 verses), “adversity” (4 verses), “harm” (3 verses), and the seven OTHER things they translate that word as – if you need me to.

But I shouldn't have to waste my time doing that for you, should I?  Shouldn't the above verses, where the KJV scholars translated “ra” as “trouble”, be enough to make you understand that they CHOSE to translate the word different ways in different scriptures?

And shouldn't that be enough to let you know that it was simply the CHOICE they made to translate that same word as “evil” in Isaiah 45:7?

Shouldn't that be enough for you to know that they COULD HAVE translated it as “trouble” in Isaiah 45:7 – just like they translated the same word in the verses I posted above?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 14 2013,12:21)

Ra (Re) was the primary name of the sun god of Ancient Egypt.

Wakeup,

“Ra” is a Hebrew word which the KJV translates as evil 442 times, wickedness 59 times, wicked 25 times, mischief 21 times, hurt 20 times, bad 13 times, trouble 10 times, sore 9 times, affliction 6 times, ill 5 times, adversity 4 times, favoured 3 times, harm 3 times, naught 3 times, noisome 2 times, grievous 2 times, sad 2 times, misc 34 times.

Ask your friend journey. She'll verify that it is indeed a Hebrew word that the KJV translated as various things 663 times in their Bible.

Do not confuse it with the EGYPTIAN word “Ra”, which is the name of one of their gods.

Read my last post to journey – the one that shows all the verses in which the KJV translated that Hebrew word “ra” as “trouble”.

And then please answer the question I've been asking and asking.

[Wakeup]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 15 2013,05:21)

Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 13 2013,21:57) Quote (mikeboll @ 64) journey, do you understand now that “evil” was merely the CHOICE made by the KJV scholars in Is 45:7, and that they could have just as easily CHOSEN “I send trouble”, or “I create adversity” instead? I want to HEAR you and Wakeup both say that you UNDERSTAND this fact.  So………… DO YOU? No you have agreed with them that have corrupted the Word of God.  He said he preserved HIS WORDS for us, and you guys (scribes) have partaken in this sin, and promoted it. His words are preserved for us, journey.  Don't you believe God has a hand in the fact that we are uncovering older and better ancient mss – so we can correct the scribal alterations of God's word found in the more recent mss? I do. I mean, look at 1 John 5:7 in the KJV.  Those extra words aren't in ANY Greek mss before the 14th century.  Why?  Because they were ADDED by a scribe who came much later.  So, should we believe those words were written by John in the original – just because the KJV translated from recent, altered mss?  You say, “Yes.”  And most of us say, “That would be a grave injustice to the words John actually wrote!  It would be a travesty to the written word of God to accept the ALTERATION over the ORIGINAL!” The question then becomes:  WHY would you say “Yes”?   Do you really think it makes more sense that someone went back in time and ERASED those extra words from the older mss?  Or can you agree, with the rest of the sane people of the world, that the extra words were more likely ADDED to the newer mss, at a much later time? At any rate, those added words in 1 John 5:7 should be enough to tell you that the KJV isn't “perfect” or “flawless”. But now back to the point: Psalm 27:5 KJV For in the time of trouble he shall hide me in his pavilion: in the secret of his tabernacle shall he hide me; he shall set me up upon a rock. Psalm 41:1 KJV [To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David.] Blessed is he that considereth the poor: the LORD will deliver him in time of trouble. Psalm 88:3 KJV For my soul is full of troubles: and my life draweth nigh unto the grave. Psa 107:26 KJV They mount up to the heaven, they go down again to the depths: their soul is melted because of trouble. Jeremiah 2:27 KJV Saying to a stock, Thou art my father; and to a stone, Thou hast brought me forth: for they have turned their back unto me, and not their face: but in the time of their trouble they will say, Arise, and save us. Jeremiah 2:28 KJV But where are thy gods that thou hast made thee? let them arise, if they can save thee in the time of thy trouble: for according to the number of thy cities are thy gods, O Judah. Jeremiah 11:12 KJV Then shall the cities of Judah and inhabitants of Jerusalem go, and cry unto the gods unto whom they offer incense: but they shall not save them at all in the time of their trouble.   Jeremiah 11:14 KJV Therefore pray not thou for this people, neither lift up a cry or prayer for them: for I will not hear them in the time that they cry unto me for their trouble.   Jeremiah 51:2 KJV And will send unto Babylon fanners, that shall fan her, and shall empty her land: for in the day of trouble they shall be against her round about. Lamentations 1:21 KJV They have heard that I sigh: there is none to comfort me: all mine enemies have heard of my trouble; they are glad that thou hast done it: thou wilt bring the day that thou hast called, and they shall be like unto me. journey, all of the words I bolded in the KJV verses above are the Hebrew word “ra”.  All of those bolded “troubles” are translated from the Hebrew word “ra”.  It is the  Hebrew word the KJV scholars CHOOSE to translate as “trouble” in the above verses, and as “evil” in Isaiah 45:7. Now, I can do the same thing with all the verses in which they translate that word as “mischief” (21 verses), “hurt” (20 verses), “bad” (13 verses), “affliction” (6 verses), “ill” (5 verses), “adversity” (4 verses), “harm” (3 verses), and the seven OTHER things they translate that word as – if you need me to. But I shouldn't have to waste my time doing that for you, should I?  Shouldn't the above verses, where the KJV scholars translated “ra” as “trouble”, be enough to make you understand that they CHOSE to translate the word different ways in different scriptures? And shouldn't that be enough to let you know that it was simply the CHOICE they made to translate that same word as “evil” in Isaiah 45:7? Shouldn't that be enough for you to know that they COULD HAVE translated it as “trouble” in Isaiah 45:7 – just like they translated the same word in the verses I posted above?

Mikeb.

The list confirms that God created Evil as he said he did.
Ra has nothing to do with the whole subject.

Ra is just one of the false gods satan has introduced to the egyptians.
Ra is not satan but one of his fake gods.
Satan is the FATHER of all evil, and he exists because God created this creature,and no one else.

You think to defend God by twisting his own statement.
This is not the way to the truth.

Is there evil in a city and I did not do it?
Ist here calamity in a city and I did not do it?
Is there distress in a city and I did not do it?
Is there chaos in a city and I did not do it?
You can take your pick. Its all evil.

Ezekiel 9:4 And the LORD said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof.

Ezekiel 9:6 ***Slay utterly old and young, both maids,
and little children, and women***:
but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 14 2013,14:18)

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 14 2013,16:23) j42 Quote No he has chosen to “offer” eternal life.  Quite the contrary to what you say.  Resist evil, hate it, be no part of it.  This is how he separates the good from the wicked. so God did not created evil ,right Ps 62:11 One thing God has spoken, two things have I heard: that you, O God, are strong, Ps 62:12 and that you, O Lord, are loving. Surely you will reward each person according to what he has done   all what God does his good and truth,righteousness is there good and truth ,righteousness ,in EVIL J42 T. Quote is there good and truth ,righteousness ,in EVIL J42   This is what happens when ones knowledge is just skin deep: 1 Jesus was mocked, spat on,kicked,flogged than hanged   alive till dead. THIS IS EVIL. 2. What is the fruits of this evil work? 3.The result is all good:   For the door to God is now open.    And all can come to God. And many will be saved.                         —————— **GOD CREATED** THE TREE OF GOOD AND EVIL. NOT SATAN. GOOD AND EVIL WAS PUT THERE **BY GOD**; NOT BY SATAN. SATAN IS THE INSTIGATOR; FOR EVE TO CHOOSE TO DO THE EVIL THING:  BY MAKING GOD LOOK LIKE THE LIAR. GOD SAID; YOU SHALL DIE: SATAN SAID NO: YOU SHALL LIVE. WITH NO TREE OF GOOD AND EVIL;THERE IS NO WAY FOR EVE TO KNOW GOOD AND EVIL. WITH NO TREE OF GOOD AND EVIL; WE WILL DO AS WE PLEASE NOT KNOWING, THAT WE ARE DOING WRONG IN THE EYES OF GOD. LUCIFER HAS TAKEN THE BAIT,AND IS NOW SNARED.  Jeremiah 50:24   I have laid a snare for thee, and thou art also taken, O Babylon, and thou wast not aware: thou art found, and also caught, because thou hast striven against the LORD. GREAT BABYLON THE CITY OF SATAN,IS IN GOD'S SNARE. wakeup.

w

frankly I doubting that you have ever read the bible in his total pages,

because your confusion is great ,even withing your own version kjv ,1604/1611/and later all mixed up within the version of the same bible ,

you could have learned that GOD DID NOT CREATED EVIL NOT THE TREE OF THE “KNOWLEDGE “OF GOOD AND WRONG

[Wakeup]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 15 2013,06:44)

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 14 2013,14:18) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 14 2013,16:23) j42 Quote No he has chosen to “offer” eternal life.  Quite the contrary to what you say.  Resist evil, hate it, be no part of it.  This is how he separates the good from the wicked. so God did not created evil ,right Ps 62:11 One thing God has spoken, two things have I heard: that you, O God, are strong, Ps 62:12 and that you, O Lord, are loving. Surely you will reward each person according to what he has done   all what God does his good and truth,righteousness is there good and truth ,righteousness ,in EVIL J42 T. Quote is there good and truth ,righteousness ,in EVIL J42   This is what happens when ones knowledge is just skin deep: 1 Jesus was mocked, spat on,kicked,flogged than hanged   alive till dead. THIS IS EVIL. 2. What is the fruits of this evil work? 3.The result is all good:   For the door to God is now open.    And all can come to God. And many will be saved.                         —————— **GOD CREATED** THE TREE OF GOOD AND EVIL. NOT SATAN. GOOD AND EVIL WAS PUT THERE **BY GOD**; NOT BY SATAN. SATAN IS THE INSTIGATOR; FOR EVE TO CHOOSE TO DO THE EVIL THING:  BY MAKING GOD LOOK LIKE THE LIAR. GOD SAID; YOU SHALL DIE: SATAN SAID NO: YOU SHALL LIVE. WITH NO TREE OF GOOD AND EVIL;THERE IS NO WAY FOR EVE TO KNOW GOOD AND EVIL. WITH NO TREE OF GOOD AND EVIL; WE WILL DO AS WE PLEASE NOT KNOWING, THAT WE ARE DOING WRONG IN THE EYES OF GOD. LUCIFER HAS TAKEN THE BAIT,AND IS NOW SNARED.  Jeremiah 50:24   I have laid a snare for thee, and thou art also taken, O Babylon, and thou wast not aware: thou art found, and also caught, because thou hast striven against the LORD. GREAT BABYLON THE CITY OF SATAN,IS IN GOD'S SNARE. wakeup. w frankly I doubting that you have ever read the bible in his total pages, because your confusion is great ,even withing your own version kjv ,1604/1611/and later all mixed up within the version of the same bible , you could have learned that GOD DID NOT CREATED EVIL NOT THE TREE OF THE “KNOWLEDGE “OF  GOOD AND WRONG

T.

With no tree of knowledge of good and evil,
there is no good and evil.There is no choice to make.
How would anyone know what is good and evil?
All we do would be considered normal;human nature.
There would be no such thing as sin.
There would be no God in our lives.
We just do as we please.

The word bad is not evil.A pupil could behave bad at school
but he is not necessary evil.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 15 2013,02:06)

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 15 2013,06:44) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 14 2013,14:18) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 14 2013,16:23) j42 Quote No he has chosen to “offer” eternal life.  Quite the contrary to what you say.  Resist evil, hate it, be no part of it.  This is how he separates the good from the wicked. so God did not created evil ,right Ps 62:11 One thing God has spoken, two things have I heard: that you, O God, are strong, Ps 62:12 and that you, O Lord, are loving. Surely you will reward each person according to what he has done   all what God does his good and truth,righteousness is there good and truth ,righteousness ,in EVIL J42 T. Quote is there good and truth ,righteousness ,in EVIL J42   This is what happens when ones knowledge is just skin deep: 1 Jesus was mocked, spat on,kicked,flogged than hanged   alive till dead. THIS IS EVIL. 2. What is the fruits of this evil work? 3.The result is all good:   For the door to God is now open.    And all can come to God. And many will be saved.                         —————— **GOD CREATED** THE TREE OF GOOD AND EVIL. NOT SATAN. GOOD AND EVIL WAS PUT THERE **BY GOD**; NOT BY SATAN. SATAN IS THE INSTIGATOR; FOR EVE TO CHOOSE TO DO THE EVIL THING:  BY MAKING GOD LOOK LIKE THE LIAR. GOD SAID; YOU SHALL DIE: SATAN SAID NO: YOU SHALL LIVE. WITH NO TREE OF GOOD AND EVIL;THERE IS NO WAY FOR EVE TO KNOW GOOD AND EVIL. WITH NO TREE OF GOOD AND EVIL; WE WILL DO AS WE PLEASE NOT KNOWING, THAT WE ARE DOING WRONG IN THE EYES OF GOD. LUCIFER HAS TAKEN THE BAIT,AND IS NOW SNARED.  Jeremiah 50:24   I have laid a snare for thee, and thou art also taken, O Babylon, and thou wast not aware: thou art found, and also caught, because thou hast striven against the LORD. GREAT BABYLON THE CITY OF SATAN,IS IN GOD'S SNARE. wakeup. w frankly I doubting that you have ever read the bible in his total pages, because your confusion is great ,even withing your own version kjv ,1604/1611/and later all mixed up within the version of the same bible , you could have learned that GOD DID NOT CREATED EVIL NOT THE TREE OF THE “KNOWLEDGE “OF  GOOD AND WRONG T. With no tree of knowledge of good and evil, there is no good and evil.There is no choice to make. How would anyone know what is good and evil? All we do would be considered normal;human nature. There would be no such thing as sin. There would be no God in our lives. We just do as we please. The word bad is not evil.A pupil could behave bad at school but he is not necessary evil. wakeup.

W

YEAH IT IS MY MISTAKE ;IT SHOULD BE LIKE THIS ;;;

you could have learned that GOD DID NOT CREATED EVIL ,BUT THE TREE OF THE “KNOWLEDGE “OF GOOD AND WRONG

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 14 2013,13:08)

Is there evil in a city and I did not do it? Ist here calamity in a city and I did not do it? Is there distress in a city and I did not do it? Is there chaos in a city and I did not do it? You can take your pick. Its all evil.

Well, that statement helps me to know where you're coming from. But God reigned down calamity, chaos, and distress on Sodom and Gomorrah, right? Is it your understanding that God was committing EVIL when He did that?

If not, they are NOT the same thing. Agreed?

[Wakeup]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 15 2013,10:25)

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 14 2013,13:08) Is there evil in a city and I did not do it? Ist here calamity in a city and I did not do it? Is there distress in a city and I did not do it? Is there chaos in a city and I did not do it? You can take your pick. Its all evil. Well, that statement helps me to know where you're coming from.  But God reigned down calamity, chaos, and distress on Sodom and Gomorrah, right?  Is it your understanding that God was committing EVIL when He did that? If not,  they are NOT the same thing. Agreed?

Mikeb.

1.Who invented all the gods?
2.Where does witchcraft come from?
3.Who has the power of death?
4.Who is the hammer of the whole earth?
5.Who mislead Eve?
6. Who tried to bribe Jesus, to worship him?
7.Who went into Judas?

Yes,He is called satan,and he was created By God.
God knew that he will become the hammer of the
whole world. The destroyer. God could see it all happening
in advance. God also knew that he will kill his Son.
And He did not refrain from creating him.
If you could only understand why God created him,
you would see the light.

There MUST BE EVIL to begin with. And someone has to create evil.
Only God can do that ,and he did.
God's plan will not work without evil.
We must come to God by our own choice,and we need to *have* that choice between good and evil.

What did God do to pharaoh? God hardens his heart ten times.How many were killed during the plagues?
Who created the axe? Who's hand is holding it?

wakeup.

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Yes,He is called satan,and he was created By God.

where does it say that

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Quote Yes,He is called satan,and he was created By God. where does it say that

T.

This would be too much for you at this moment.
Finish your milk first.

wakeup.

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j42 Isaiah 46:10   Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure: the beginning is from Adam and Eve creation and on,

Pierre

The beginning is the begging of ALL CREATION. God would of created the angels and all the host of heaven long before he created the earth and Adam and Eve.

The angels were not created at the same time as God created the earth, but before. Lucifer was already in existence by the time they were put in the Garden of Eden. He was not that “good” cherub anymore so time has passed.

…And God knew the end in the beginning.

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Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 14 2013,16:13) j42 Isaiah 46:10   Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure: the beginning is from Adam and Eve creation and on, Pierre The beginning is the begging of ALL CREATION.  God would of created the angels and all the host of heaven long before he created the earth and Adam and Eve.   The angels were not created at the same time as God created the earth, but before.  Lucifer was already in existence by the time they were put in the Garden of Eden.  He was not that “good” cherub anymore so time has passed. …And God knew the end in the beginning.

J42

Just tell me ,to whom did God DECLARED IT

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Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 15 2013,11:49) Quote Yes,He is called satan,and he was created By God. where does it say that T. This would be too much for you at this moment. Finish your milk first. wakeup.

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Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 15 2013,11:08) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 14 2013,16:13) j42 Isaiah 46:10   Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure: the beginning is from Adam and Eve creation and on, Pierre The beginning is the begging of ALL CREATION.  God would of created the angels and all the host of heaven long before he created the earth and Adam and Eve.   The angels were not created at the same time as God created the earth, but before.  Lucifer was already in existence by the time they were put in the Garden of Eden.  He was not that “good” cherub anymore so time has passed. …And God knew the end in the beginning. J42 Just tell me ,to whom did God DECLARED IT

Not to the men on mars, or the animals, but to us Pierre. All those who believe the scriptures and can put two and two together!

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