Which Bible should I believe?

[terraricca]

Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 03 2013,21:45)

Mike B. Making this a big issue is just a diversion to me. We know that God has many names and one of his name is Jehovah. Wether its mentioned 1000 times or just 10 times is not important. We know that God has many names. Jesus could not have called his Father; Jehovah. But my Father.My father in heaven.My God. I would never call my father george; because that is disrespectful. Jus as no one would call the queen by her name;   but your majesty. God has given us one church,and Jesus is the head. So also;God has given us one book;and also authorised by a king.This book is registered,no one can copy. Many translations causes confusion. Devide and conquer is satans motto,adopted by the western nations. Husband and wife have each a different translation, this is also to devide the family. wakeup.

w

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Making this a big issue is just a diversion to me.

BIAS view

[mikeboll64]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 03 2013,09:42)

So in reality, Isaiah 45:7 COULD BE saying that Jehovah is the one who “dispatches adversity”.

I was just reading in the other thread, and saw that Pierre listed this translation:

BBE ©
I am the giver of light and the maker of the dark; causing blessing, and sending troubles; I am the Lord, who does all these things.

Hmmm…………. “Sending troubles” = “Dispatching adversity”, right?

Food for thought.

[Wakeup]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 04 2013,02:54)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 03 2013,09:42) So in reality, Isaiah 45:7 COULD BE saying that Jehovah is the one who “dispatches adversity”. I was just reading in the other thread, and saw that Pierre listed this translation: BBE © I am the giver of light and the maker of the dark; causing blessing, and sending troubles; I am the Lord, who does all these things. Hmmm…………. “Sending troubles” = “Dispatching adversity”, right? Food for thought.

Mike B.

At least you are considering it.
Which some will just ignore it.
To understand why God said those words,
one need to see/understand the whole picture.
It does not matter to me, if they accept, or reject.
The main thing to me is that I have informed them.

wakeup.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 03 2013,09:45)

We know that God has many names and one of his name is Jehovah.

Our God has only one PROPER name that He gave to Moses, right?  You quoted it earlier as “I Am That I Am”, right?

The point is that if David prayed to “YHWH”, then why did the KJV tell us that he prayed to “LORD”?  Was the Hebrew word “adonay” in the text?  No.  So why they would they ALTER the Hebrew text and translate as “Lord” when the Hebrew word was actually “I Am That I Am”?

Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 03 2013,09:45)

Jesus could not have called his Father; Jehovah.

Hmmmm…………  I see no legitimate basis upon which you formed that decision.  Are you saying that when Jesus read from the scroll of Isaiah in Luke 4, even though he was reading the name “YHWH”, he didn't SAY “YHWH”?  How would you know such a thing?  And why would you suppose Jesus would have changed the words of the scroll he was reading as he was reading it?

Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 03 2013,09:45)

So also;God has given us one book;and also authorised by a king.This book is registered,no one can copy.

It is laughable to me to think that King James was some “God-inspired” man, and that the translation which bears his name is the only “authorized” and “truthful” translation.

You and journey are right in thinking older is better.  Less chance for “manipulation”, right?

But you have it backwards.  It's not the older ENGLISH translations that are better.  It is the older GREEK mss that are better.  And the older ENGLISH translations were based on the NEWER Greek mss – 14th century and newer.  On the other hand, the NEWER English translations are based on much OLDER Greek mss – all the way back to the 2nd century.

So the KJV was translated from mss that went through many more years of “manipulation” by scribes.  The newer English versions are based on the oldest known Greek mss – ones that are much less likely to have been manipulated by scribes.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 03 2013,10:17)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 03 2013,09:42) So in reality, Isaiah 45:7 COULD BE saying that Jehovah is the one who “dispatches adversity”. BBE © I am the giver of light and the maker of the dark; causing blessing, and sending troubles; I am the Lord, who does all these things. Hmmm…………. “Sending troubles” = “Dispatching adversity”, right? Mike B. At least you are considering it.

And are YOU considering all the things we've been pointing out to you?

Psalm 94:13 KJV
That thou mayest give him rest from the days of adversity, until the pit be digged for the wicked.

The word “adversity” is the Hebrew word “ra”.  

Are you telling me that the KJV translators are able to translate “ra” as “adversity” in this psalm and other verses, but they were NOT capable of translating the same exact Hebrew word as “adversity” in Isaiah 45:7?

Are you telling me that the CHOICE of these mere MEN to translate as “adversity” in one verse, and as “evil” in another verse, is somehow “inspired by God Himself”?

Guys, God did not CREATE EVIL.  The KJV translators dropped the ball on that one.

[tigger2]

Psa 83:18 That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH [YHWH in Hebrew], art the most high over all the earth. – KJV.

KJV believers, do you not see what your translation is telling you?  God's name ***ALONE*** is JEHOVAH!!!

This is his ONLY personal name to be used for all time.  All other 'names' are merely titles or descriptions.

And yet this personal name which is so important to God Himself (as shown by numerous correctly translated scriptures) is purposely misused by the KJV (and those following its tradition) 6000+ times.  

This is the most used name in all the scriptures — by far!!

But even if you take to heart the KJV translation at Ps. 83:18 only, why are you not using the ONLY name of the Most High??

[Wakeup]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 04 2013,03:44)

Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 03 2013,10:17) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 03 2013,09:42) So in reality, Isaiah 45:7 COULD BE saying that Jehovah is the one who “dispatches adversity”. BBE © I am the giver of light and the maker of the dark; causing blessing, and sending troubles; I am the Lord, who does all these things. Hmmm…………. “Sending troubles” = “Dispatching adversity”, right? Mike B. At least you are considering it. And are YOU considering all the things we've been pointing out to you? Psalm 94:13 KJV That thou mayest give him rest from the days of adversity, until the pit be digged for the wicked. The word “adversity” is the Hebrew word “ra”.   Are you telling me that the KJV translators are able to translate “ra” as “adversity” in this psalm and other verses, but they were NOT capable of translating the same exact Hebrew word as “adversity” in Isaiah 45:7? Are you telling me that the CHOICE of these mere MEN to translate as “adversity” in one verse, and as “evil” in another verse, is somehow “inspired by God Himself”? Guys, God did not CREATE EVIL.  The KJV translators dropped the ball on that one.

Mike B.

1.King James himself did not interpret the scrolls,
but his many theologians did.
Then screened and checked by many more.
And then checked again,to perfection.
God also said that he will preserve His Word.
We must believe in His power;that he can do it.

2.The jews back then believed that before they write down
the name Jehovah,they have to wash themselves.
This is the reason why they have changed it into Lord.

3.Christians know that there are lords many,
but there is only one true Lord.

4. And we know that He is Jehovah.
And we also know that He is the Lord of Host.
And also the God of Abraham,Isaac and jacob,
that is his name.And also Alpha and Omega.
And also I am that I am.
I call God *FATHER*
******
5.Did God create satan or did he not? Y/N?
(I created the waster to destroy).(IS 54:16).

wakeup.

[terraricca]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 03 2013,21:54)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 03 2013,09:42) So in reality, Isaiah 45:7 COULD BE saying that Jehovah is the one who “dispatches adversity”. I was just reading in the other thread, and saw that Pierre listed this translation: BBE © I am the giver of light and the maker of the dark; causing blessing, and sending troubles; I am the Lord, who does all these things. Hmmm…………. “Sending troubles” = “Dispatching adversity”, right? Food for thought.

HI Mike

yes ,it is food for thought ,deep ones

[terraricca]

Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 04 2013,02:38)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 04 2013,03:44) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 03 2013,10:17) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 03 2013,09:42) So in reality, Isaiah 45:7 COULD BE saying that Jehovah is the one who “dispatches adversity”. BBE © I am the giver of light and the maker of the dark; causing blessing, and sending troubles; I am the Lord, who does all these things. Hmmm…………. “Sending troubles” = “Dispatching adversity”, right? Mike B. At least you are considering it. And are YOU considering all the things we've been pointing out to you? Psalm 94:13 KJV That thou mayest give him rest from the days of adversity, until the pit be digged for the wicked. The word “adversity” is the Hebrew word “ra”.   Are you telling me that the KJV translators are able to translate “ra” as “adversity” in this psalm and other verses, but they were NOT capable of translating the same exact Hebrew word as “adversity” in Isaiah 45:7? Are you telling me that the CHOICE of these mere MEN to translate as “adversity” in one verse, and as “evil” in another verse, is somehow “inspired by God Himself”? Guys, God did not CREATE EVIL.  The KJV translators dropped the ball on that one. Mike B. 1.King James himself did not interpret the scrolls, but his many theologians did. Then screened and checked by many more. And then checked again,to perfection. God also said that he will preserve His Word. We must believe in His power;that he can do it. 2.The jews back then believed that before they write down the name Jehovah,they have to wash themselves. This is the reason why they have changed it into Lord. 3.Christians know that there are lords many, but there is only one true Lord. 4. And we know that He is Jehovah.    And we also know that He is the Lord of Host.    And also the God of Abraham,Isaac and jacob,    that is his name.And also Alpha and Omega.    And also I am that I am. I call God *FATHER*                              ****** 5.Did God create satan or did he not? Y/N?   (I created the waster to destroy).(IS 54:16). wakeup.

Mike

I see that wakeup ask me the exact same question ,

[Wakeup]

Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 04 2013,02:50)

Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 03 2013,21:45) Mike B. Making this a big issue is just a diversion to me. We know that God has many names and one of his name is Jehovah. Wether its mentioned 1000 times or just 10 times is not important. We know that God has many names. Jesus could not have called his Father; Jehovah. But my Father.My father in heaven.My God. I would never call my father george; because that is disrespectful. Jus as no one would call the queen by her name;   but your majesty. God has given us one church,and Jesus is the head. So also;God has given us one book;and also authorised by a king.This book is registered,no one can copy. Many translations causes confusion. Devide and conquer is satans motto,adopted by the western nations. Husband and wife have each a different translation, this is also to devide the family. wakeup. w Quote Making this a big issue is just a diversion to me. BIAS view

T.

Do you call God Jehovah when you pray?

I call him Father.

wakeup.

[Wakeup]

Quote (tigger2 @ Nov. 04 2013,07:15)

Psa 83:18 That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH [YHWH in Hebrew], art the most high over all the earth. – KJV. KJV believers, do you not see what your translation is telling you?  God's name ***ALONE*** is JEHOVAH!!! This is his ONLY personal name to be used for all time.  All other 'names' are merely titles or descriptions. And yet this personal name which is so important to God Himself (as shown by numerous correctly translated scriptures) is purposely misused by the KJV (and those following its tradition) 6000+ times.   This is the most used name in all the scriptures — by far!! But even if you take to heart the KJV translation at Ps. 83:18 only, why are you not using the ONLY name of the Most High??

Tigger2.

Exodus 3:15 And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you:

****this is my name for ever****,
***and this is my memorial unto all generations***.

Would anyone deny this statement?

[Wakeup]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 04 2013,03:44)

Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 03 2013,10:17) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 03 2013,09:42) So in reality, Isaiah 45:7 COULD BE saying that Jehovah is the one who “dispatches adversity”. BBE © I am the giver of light and the maker of the dark; causing blessing, and sending troubles; I am the Lord, who does all these things. Hmmm…………. “Sending troubles” = “Dispatching adversity”, right? Mike B. At least you are considering it. And are YOU considering all the things we've been pointing out to you? Psalm 94:13 KJV That thou mayest give him rest from the days of adversity, until the pit be digged for the wicked. The word “adversity” is the Hebrew word “ra”.   Are you telling me that the KJV translators are able to translate “ra” as “adversity” in this psalm and other verses, but they were NOT capable of translating the same exact Hebrew word as “adversity” in Isaiah 45:7? Are you telling me that the CHOICE of these mere MEN to translate as “adversity” in one verse, and as “evil” in another verse, is somehow “inspired by God Himself”? Guys, God did not CREATE EVIL.  The KJV translators dropped the ball on that one.

hammer=satan.

Jeremiah 50:23 How is the hammer of the whole earth cut asunder and broken! how is Babylon become a desolation among the nations!

Jeremiah 50:24 I have laid a snare for thee, and thou art also taken, O Babylon, and thou wast not aware: thou art found, and also caught, because thou hast striven against the LORD.

wakeup.

[tigger2]

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Exodus 3:15 And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: ****this is my name for ever****, ***and this is my memorial unto all generations***. Would anyone deny this statement?

Yes, 'LORD' is incorrect as a rendering for YHWH. It is the only NAME (see Ps. 83:18 again) found in this verse. The “God of…” series is merely description or titles.

Here are some which do not misuse the only personal name of God in this verse:

Ex. 3:15 –

“JEHOVAH [YHWH] …. This is my name for ever….” – NEB

“Jehovah [YHWH], …. This is My name forever, and this is My memorial from generation to generation.” – LITV (Green)

“Jehovah, …. This is My name forever and by this I am to be remembered through all generations.” – MLB.

“Jehovah … This is my eternal name, to be used throughout all generations.” – LB.

“Jehovah … this is my name forever.” – Byington.

“Jehovah, … this is my name forever” – ASV.

“Jehovah, …. This is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.” – Darby.

“Yahweh [YHWH] …. This is my name for all time, and thus I am to be invoked for all generations to come.” – JB & NJB.

[Wakeup]

Quote (tigger2 @ Nov. 04 2013,08:34)

Quote Exodus 3:15   And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: ****this is my name for ever****, ***and this is my memorial unto all generations***. Would anyone deny this statement? Yes, 'LORD' is incorrect as a rendering for YHWH.  It is the only NAME (see Ps. 83:18 again) found in this verse.  The “God of…” series is merely description or titles. Here are some which do not misuse the only personal name of God in this verse:     Ex. 3:15  – “JEHOVAH [YHWH] …. This is my name for ever….” – NEB “Jehovah [YHWH], …. This is My name forever, and this is My memorial from generation to generation.” – LITV (Green) “Jehovah, …. This is My name forever and by this I am to be remembered through all generations.” – MLB. “Jehovah … This is my eternal name, to be used throughout all generations.” – LB.   “Jehovah … this is my name forever.” – Byington.   “Jehovah, … this is my name forever” – ASV.   “Jehovah, …. This is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.” – Darby. “Yahweh [YHWH] …. This is my name for all time, and thus I am to be invoked for all generations to come.” – JB & NJB.

Tigger2.

So as you can see.
God has many names.
For he is the I am.
We can not put him in a box.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 04 2013,03:44)

Quote (tigger2 @ Nov. 04 2013,08:34) Quote Exodus 3:15   And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: ****this is my name for ever****, ***and this is my memorial unto all generations***. Would anyone deny this statement? Yes, 'LORD' is incorrect as a rendering for YHWH.  It is the only NAME (see Ps. 83:18 again) found in this verse.  The “God of…” series is merely description or titles. Here are some which do not misuse the only personal name of God in this verse:     Ex. 3:15  – “JEHOVAH [YHWH] …. This is my name for ever….” – NEB “Jehovah [YHWH], …. This is My name forever, and this is My memorial from generation to generation.” – LITV (Green) “Jehovah, …. This is My name forever and by this I am to be remembered through all generations.” – MLB. “Jehovah … This is my eternal name, to be used throughout all generations.” – LB.   “Jehovah … this is my name forever.” – Byington.   “Jehovah, … this is my name forever” – ASV.   “Jehovah, …. This is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.” – Darby. “Yahweh [YHWH] …. This is my name for all time, and thus I am to be invoked for all generations to come.” – JB & NJB. Tigger2. So as you can see. God has many names. For he is the I am. We can not put him in a box. wakeup.

w

are you blind ;tigger SHOWS YOU ALL THE TIME THE SAME NAME FOR GOD ;

BUT YOU DENY IT BECAUSE OF THE CORRUPTION IN SIDE OF YOUR PERFECT KJV, THAT HAS NOW BEEN SHOWN CORRUPTED AND THIS IS ONLY ONE OF THE THINGS

[tigger2]

My study of the importance of God's name in scripture:

http://examiningthetrinity.blogspot.com/2010….od.html

[Wakeup]

Quote (tigger2 @ Nov. 04 2013,09:57)

My study of the importance of God's name in scripture: http://examiningthetrinity.blogspot.com/2010….od.html

Tigger2.

You must understand that the jw's are just promoting
their society,because they call themselves
Jehovah's witnesses.
I have been through them;and have found that they are preaching another Jesus.

They say that Micha'el the arc angel is Jesus.
Contradicting John.
For he says: WITHOUT HIM/WORD; WAS NOT ANYTHING MADE THAT WAS MADE.

Micha'el is made by the Word, and so are the other angels; so how can he be the Word.

wakeup.

[tigger2]

Apoplanesis: Digression or evasion

[Wakeup]

Quote (tigger2 @ Nov. 04 2013,10:57)

Apoplanesis: Digression or evasion

Tigger2.

Can I have an aswer to my statement?
or is that too hard to anwer?

I have nothing to hide.
I believe that jehovah is God's name.
But not the one and only name.

wakeup.

[tigger2]

I am not now digressing from the importance of God's name for all persons and the KJV's (and many following its tradition) misuse of God's ONLY personal name.

“You shall not misuse the name of Yahweh [YHWH] your God, for Yahweh will not leave unpunished anyone who misuses his name.” – Ex. 20:7, NJB.

But if you carefully and honestly discuss the study I've done (link above), I may answer your apoplanesis.

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