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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 05 2013,10:55) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 03 2013,17:28) HOW CAN THERE BE EVIL IF GOD DID NOT CREATE IT?
That's like saying God created the act of child molestation, Wakeup.The fact that certain people go against God and molest children doesn't mean that God created the evil act of child molestation, right?
Mikeb.GOD AT FIRST CREATED EVIL; HE MADE LUCIFER GOOD,
BUT **ALSO KNEW** THAT HE WOULD BE THE SOURCE OF ALL EVIL. CHILD MOLESTATION IS EVIL.
ALL THAT IS AGAINST GOD'S WILL IS EVIL.GOD IS THE FATHER OF ALL GOOD.
SATAN IS THE FATHER OF **ALL EVIL**.
MANKIND NEED TO SEE,FEEL, AND TOUCH EVIL,AND GOOD.EVIL WORKS AS A MAGNET: DRAWING ALL THAT IS ATTRACTED TO IT. GOLD WONT BE ATTRACTED.
THERE NEEDS TO BE A SATAN,FOR MAN TO MAKE A CHOICE.
SATAN IS THE GOD OF THIS WORLD,AND GOD IS THE GOD
OF HEAVEN. WHERE DO WE WANT TO LIVE?THE FALSE PROPHET WILL DRAW ALL HIS ARMIES
TO **ONE PLACE**(MEGIDDO) TO MAKE WAR WITH THE LAMB,AND THEY ALL WILL BE DESTROYED,**IN THAT PLACE**.SATAN WILL BE LET LOOSE FROM HIS PRISON TO DRAW ALL
THE NON BELIEVERS TO SURROUND THE CAMP OF THE SAINTS:**(ONE PLACE)**, THEN FIRE WILL COME DOWN FROM GOD.(REV.20).
THIS WILL BE AFTER THE 1000YRS ARE EXPIRED.THE OLD WORLD WAS NOTHING BUT EVIL;SO GOD DRAWS ALL THE FAMILY OF NOAH TO **ONE PLACE**,AND THE WATERS DESTROYED ALL THE WICKED.
SODOM AND GOMORAH WAS EVIL: GOD DRAWS LOT AND FAMILY OUT OF SODOM TO **ONE PLACE**,AND THE REST ARE BURNED.
(AGAIN THE SEPARATION OF THE GOOD AND THE EVIL).JESUS **IS DRAWING** ALL HIS CHILDREN INTO ONE SPIRITUAL ARC: AND THE REST WILL BE DESTROYED.
WHERE THE CARCASE IS; THERE THE EAGLES WILL BE GATHERED.BIRDS OF A FEATHER WILL FLOCK TOGETHER.WITH NO EVIL; ALL THAT: CAN NOT HAPPEN.
wakeup.
mikeboll64,Dec. wrote:[/quote]
Quote That indeed WAS a long post, journey. 
But let's focus on the part I quoted above for a minute. I agree with you 100% that “evil” can be defined as going AGAINST God's commandments, rules, and teachings.
So did God actually create the ACT of going against His own commandments? Because it is that ACT that is “evil”.
To say God created beings with the CHOICE of following God (righteousness) or NOT following God (evil) is not the same as saying God actually created the ACT of being evil.
Or do you think it is?
Hi MikeThis is a good discussion, and the questions you ask are good, for we all need to be aware and understand the reasons why God said “I create evil”, and we have to show those who try to make believers look like fools for trusting in the scriptures and every word that comes out of God's mouth. His every word is Truth.
I hope this is not too long for you to read. It should only take a minute.
I also made my myself clear and stated that Evil does not dwell in God just because he created it. Does God need to design evil acts? No he doesn't, but he created the devil, Satan, the father of sin to do that.
God has righteousness in him, and he created laws in the first place so we can know them.
Romans 4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.
This law refers to the law Moses gave the Israelites, but in the garden, only one simple law (don't do) was given to Adam and Eve.
One simple law.
So if this simple law was not given, there would be no transgression, and they would be innocent.
God could of easily interfered and stopped them before it was too late, but he let them go to make their own choice.If an authority creates a rule, and a punishment for breaking that rule, then he has created both sides to the scenario;
1. the rule
2. the punishment if rule broken (consequences)We know that with man's rules, if broken, we get jail, fines, execution, etc, but with breaking God's rules, we learn later from the scriptures, and by experience that he removes his spirit from us, which is his protection.
Once his protection is removed, we become just like Adam and Eve, naive, gullible, and susceptible to the crafty tricks of the devil, not knowing any different,
and the devil was DESIGNED BY GOD to mislead us into more sin,
and the more rules we break,
the more God removes himself from us.
This is the punishment, no protection.God created and put the devil there into existence in the first place,
to carry out this job in regards to our punishment.
Does God tell us to do evil?
No he warns us NOT TO DO IT.
So with every rule God has put out for us to obey,
he also CREATED THE DEVIL knowing he would lead us to DISOBEY.Every single rule broken is an abomination to God.
All he had to do was put the law out,
and our adversary the devil, will take care of opposing it,
to lure us into HIS WAY of thinking.It's not really that hard to work out. Create a law, create an adversary or rejection to that law, and wolla, we have evil created.
And to call God a pedophile etc, is not according to understanding, but shows us we are not truly grasping his plan for mankind, why he created evil in the first place, put it there and allowed it. It is also put there for resistance to the saints, so we can exercise ourselves to identify it and refuse it. With this comes our protection and God will dwell inside us.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 06 2013,09:03) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 04 2013,21:05) King James and his men translating the scriptures are used by God to do His work.
Okay. Now we're getting nearer to clearer.So it's not that you think the MEN who produced the KJV are anything special – it's that you think God personally had His hand in the translation of the KJV, and no other English Bible. Is that it?
Mike B.Yes: God being wise choose a king to do his work.
To preserve his words from conniving men.
Because a king has the authority to have it done right,
and has the power to have it sealed for protection.wakeup.
J42
YOU quoted ;Romans 4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.
and you think this mean that the EVIL THAT SOULS DO IS NOT JUDGED ONLY BECAUSE THEIR WAS NO LAW
PS 37:20 But the wicked will perish;
PS 79:9 Help us, O God of our salvation, for the glory of Your name;
And deliver us and forgive our sins for Your name’s sake.Dt 18:9 When you enter the land(THE FAITH IN CHRIST ) the LORD your God is giving you, do not learn to imitate the detestable ways of the nations there.
Dt 18:10 Let no one be found among you who sacrifices his son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft,
Dt 18:11 or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead.
Dt 18:12 Anyone who does these things is detestable to the LORD, and because of these detestable practices the LORD your God will drive out those nations before you.
Dt 18:13 You must be blameless before the LORD your God.WOULD THIS MEAN THAT CAIN GOES FREE FOR THE MURDER OF HIS BROTHER
I THINK YOU MISS UNDERSTAND THE SCRIPTURE IN ;ROMAN 4;15J42 /WAKEUP
GOD DID NOT CREATED “EVIL” BUT EVIL IS THE RESULT OF THE CHOICE BEINGS (ANGELS OR MEN) DO ,WHAT GOD MAY OR DO KNOW IS OF NO IMPACT TO THIS ,
EVIL IS THE WRONG WORD IN MANY PLACES IN SCRIPTURES ,BUT YOU JUSTIFY IT BY SAYING ” IT MEANS ALL WHAT IS AGAINST GOD 'S WILL ” NOT ALL SINS LEAD TO DEAD ,SAYS SCRIPTURES ,SO THERE IS A DIFFERENCE IN THE DEGREE OF WICKEDNESS AND SO WE SHOULD NOT GENERALIZING EVERYTHING UNDER ONE WORD (EVIL)
Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 07 2013,01:55) J42 /WAKEUP GOD DID NOT CREATED “EVIL” BUT EVIL IS THE RESULT OF THE CHOICE BEINGS (ANGELS OR MEN) DO ,WHAT GOD MAY OR DO KNOW IS OF NO IMPACT TO THIS ,
EVIL IS THE WRONG WORD IN MANY PLACES IN SCRIPTURES ,BUT YOU JUSTIFY IT BY SAYING ” IT MEANS ALL WHAT IS AGAINST GOD 'S WILL ” NOT ALL SINS LEAD TO DEAD ,SAYS SCRIPTURES ,SO THERE IS A DIFFERENCE IN THE DEGREE OF WICKEDNESS AND SO WE SHOULD NOT GENERALIZING EVERYTHING UNDER ONE WORD (EVIL)
T.There is a lesser evil and there is a greater evil,
and you should know this.
The greater evil is blaspheming the Holy Spirit.
No one can change the fact that God created satan.(evil).
He is the cause of all evil on this earth.
Cain slew Abel because of *jealousy*; the fruit of satan.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 06 2013,22:23) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 07 2013,01:55) J42 /WAKEUP GOD DID NOT CREATED “EVIL” BUT EVIL IS THE RESULT OF THE CHOICE BEINGS (ANGELS OR MEN) DO ,WHAT GOD MAY OR DO KNOW IS OF NO IMPACT TO THIS ,
EVIL IS THE WRONG WORD IN MANY PLACES IN SCRIPTURES ,BUT YOU JUSTIFY IT BY SAYING ” IT MEANS ALL WHAT IS AGAINST GOD 'S WILL ” NOT ALL SINS LEAD TO DEAD ,SAYS SCRIPTURES ,SO THERE IS A DIFFERENCE IN THE DEGREE OF WICKEDNESS AND SO WE SHOULD NOT GENERALIZING EVERYTHING UNDER ONE WORD (EVIL)
T.There is a lesser evil and there is a greater evil,
and you should know this.
The greater evil is blaspheming the Holy Spirit.
No one can change the fact that God created satan.(evil).
He is the cause of all evil on this earth.
Cain slew Abel because of *jealousy*; the fruit of satan.wakeup.
w/j42so the word “evil” is not the right word
and that is all I want to say on this .
Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 07 2013,05:02) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 06 2013,22:23) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 07 2013,01:55) J42 /WAKEUP GOD DID NOT CREATED “EVIL” BUT EVIL IS THE RESULT OF THE CHOICE BEINGS (ANGELS OR MEN) DO ,WHAT GOD MAY OR DO KNOW IS OF NO IMPACT TO THIS ,
EVIL IS THE WRONG WORD IN MANY PLACES IN SCRIPTURES ,BUT YOU JUSTIFY IT BY SAYING ” IT MEANS ALL WHAT IS AGAINST GOD 'S WILL ” NOT ALL SINS LEAD TO DEAD ,SAYS SCRIPTURES ,SO THERE IS A DIFFERENCE IN THE DEGREE OF WICKEDNESS AND SO WE SHOULD NOT GENERALIZING EVERYTHING UNDER ONE WORD (EVIL)
T.There is a lesser evil and there is a greater evil,
and you should know this.
The greater evil is blaspheming the Holy Spirit.
No one can change the fact that God created satan.(evil).
He is the cause of all evil on this earth.
Cain slew Abel because of *jealousy*; the fruit of satan.wakeup.
w/j42so the word “evil” is not the right word
and that is all I want to say on this .
T.What would you like to call it?
wakeup.
terraricca,Dec. wrote:[/quote]
Quote J42 YOU quoted ;Romans 4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.
and you think this mean that the EVIL THAT SOULS DO IS NOT JUDGED ONLY BECAUSE THEIR WAS NO LAW
That's what God said in Romans Pierre. Not me. You keep opposing the scriptures. Why do you do that?
God was not happy with Cain killing his brother, so cursed him,Genesis 4:10 And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother crieth unto me from the ground.
Genesis 4:11 And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand.
Genesis 4:12 When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth.But God was also lenient towards Cain.
Genesis 4:15 And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.
So Cain was CURSED, and then also PROTECTED by God.
That is why there is a 2nd judgement Pierre. Don't take it upon yourself to do the judging now personally, for this authority has not been given to any of us yet. God may of already considered that Cain has been punished already, and then God might throw Cain into the Lake of Fire, we don't know for sure how Cain behaved after this, if he was truly sorry or not, for the scriptures don't say.
Quote PS 37:20 But the wicked will perish; PS 79:9 Help us, O God of our salvation, for the glory of Your name;
And deliver us and forgive our sins for Your name’s sake.Dt 18:9 When you enter the land(THE FAITH IN CHRIST ) the LORD your God is giving you, do not learn to imitate the detestable ways of the nations there.
Dt 18:10 Let no one be found among you who sacrifices his son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft,
Dt 18:11 or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead.
Dt 18:12 Anyone who does these things is detestable to the LORD, and because of these detestable practices the LORD your God will drive out those nations before you.
Dt 18:13 You must be blameless before the LORD your God.WOULD THIS MEAN THAT CAIN GOES FREE FOR THE MURDER OF HIS BROTHER
I THINK YOU MISS UNDERSTAND THE SCRIPTURE IN ;ROMAN 4;15
You are giving me the scriptures that STATE THE LAW. HELLO? There was NO LAW in Cain's days.Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 07 2013,06:42) terraricca,Dec. wrote:[/quote]
Quote J42 YOU quoted ;Romans 4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.
and you think this mean that the EVIL THAT SOULS DO IS NOT JUDGED ONLY BECAUSE THEIR WAS NO LAW
That's what God said in Romans Pierre. Not me. You keep opposing the scriptures. Why do you do that?
God was not happy with Cain killing his brother, so cursed him,Genesis 4:10 And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother crieth unto me from the ground.
Genesis 4:11 And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand.
Genesis 4:12 When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth.But God was also lenient towards Cain.
Genesis 4:15 And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.
So Cain was CURSED, and then also PROTECTED by God.
That is why there is a 2nd judgement Pierre. Don't take it upon yourself to do the judging now personally, for this authority has not been given to any of us yet. God may of already considered that Cain has been punished already, and then God might throw Cain into the Lake of Fire, we don't know for sure how Cain behaved after this, if he was truly sorry or not, for the scriptures don't say.
Quote PS 37:20 But the wicked will perish; PS 79:9 Help us, O God of our salvation, for the glory of Your name;
And deliver us and forgive our sins for Your name’s sake.Dt 18:9 When you enter the land(THE FAITH IN CHRIST ) the LORD your God is giving you, do not learn to imitate the detestable ways of the nations there.
Dt 18:10 Let no one be found among you who sacrifices his son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft,
Dt 18:11 or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead.
Dt 18:12 Anyone who does these things is detestable to the LORD, and because of these detestable practices the LORD your God will drive out those nations before you.
Dt 18:13 You must be blameless before the LORD your God.WOULD THIS MEAN THAT CAIN GOES FREE FOR THE MURDER OF HIS BROTHER
I THINK YOU MISS UNDERSTAND THE SCRIPTURE IN ;ROMAN 4;15
You are giving me the scriptures that STATE THE LAW. HELLO? There was NO LAW in Cain's days.
j42all men will go into judgment Moses law or the natural law
In the days of Cain,there was no ten commandments.
There was nothing saying: thou shallt not kill,
but there is conscience of right and wrong.
Cain will not be judged by the law.
Jealousy was imputed by satan.
He was the first murderer.The father of all evil.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 08 2013,00:12) In the days of Cain,there was no ten commandments.
There was nothing saying: thou shallt not kill,
but there is conscience of right and wrong.
Cain will not be judged by the law.
Jealousy was imputed by satan.
He was the first murderer.The father of all evil.wakeup.
wyou really should pay more attention when you read scriptures,
Ge 4:6 Then the LORD said to Cain,“Why are you angry? Why is your face downcast?
Ge 4:7 If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must master it.Ge 6:3 Then the LORD said, “My Spirit will not contend with man forever, for he is mortal
Ge 6:11 Now the earth was corrupt in God’s sight and was full of violence.
Ge 6:12 God saw how corrupt the earth had become, for all the people on earth had corrupted their ways.
Ge 6:13 So God said to Noah, “I am going to put an end to all people, for the earth is filled with violence because of them. I am surely going to destroy both them and the earthGe 6:17 I am going to bring floodwaters on the earth to destroy all life under the heavens, every creature that has the breath of life in it. Everything on earth will perish.
Ge 6:5 The LORD saw how great man’s wickedness on the earth had become, and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil all the time.
Ge 6:6 The LORD was grieved that he had made man on the earth, and his heart was filled with pain.
Ge 6:7 So the LORD said, “I will wipe mankind, whom I have created, from the face of the earth—men and animals, and creatures that move along the ground, and birds of the air—for I am grieved that I have made them.”
Ge 6:8 Butunderstanding is required ,just as Cain needed to understand it he could if he wanted too ,but he did not ,
no difference today
Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 08 2013,06:21) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 08 2013,00:12) In the days of Cain,there was no ten commandments.
There was nothing saying: thou shallt not kill,
but there is conscience of right and wrong.
Cain will not be judged by the law.
Jealousy was imputed by satan.
He was the first murderer.The father of all evil.wakeup.
wyou really should pay more attention when you read scriptures,
Ge 4:6 Then the LORD said to Cain,“Why are you angry? Why is your face downcast?
Ge 4:7 If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must master it.Ge 6:3 Then the LORD said, “My Spirit will not contend with man forever, for he is mortal
Ge 6:11 Now the earth was corrupt in God’s sight and was full of violence.
Ge 6:12 God saw how corrupt the earth had become, for all the people on earth had corrupted their ways.
Ge 6:13 So God said to Noah, “I am going to put an end to all people, for the earth is filled with violence because of them. I am surely going to destroy both them and the earthGe 6:17 I am going to bring floodwaters on the earth to destroy all life under the heavens, every creature that has the breath of life in it. Everything on earth will perish.
Ge 6:5 The LORD saw how great man’s wickedness on the earth had become, and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil all the time.
Ge 6:6 The LORD was grieved that he had made man on the earth, and his heart was filled with pain.
Ge 6:7 So the LORD said, “I will wipe mankind, whom I have created, from the face of the earth—men and animals, and creatures that move along the ground, and birds of the air—for I am grieved that I have made them.”
Ge 6:8 Butunderstanding is required ,just as Cain needed to understand it he could if he wanted too ,but he did not ,
no difference today
T.Who caused all the evil on this earth in the days of Noah?
Was it men?wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 08 2013,08:33) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 08 2013,06:21) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 08 2013,00:12) In the days of Cain,there was no ten commandments.
There was nothing saying: thou shallt not kill,
but there is conscience of right and wrong.
Cain will not be judged by the law.
Jealousy was imputed by satan.
He was the first murderer.The father of all evil.wakeup.
wyou really should pay more attention when you read scriptures,
Ge 4:6 Then the LORD said to Cain,“Why are you angry? Why is your face downcast?
Ge 4:7 If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must master it.Ge 6:3 Then the LORD said, “My Spirit will not contend with man forever, for he is mortal
Ge 6:11 Now the earth was corrupt in God’s sight and was full of violence.
Ge 6:12 God saw how corrupt the earth had become, for all the people on earth had corrupted their ways.
Ge 6:13 So God said to Noah, “I am going to put an end to all people, for the earth is filled with violence because of them. I am surely going to destroy both them and the earthGe 6:17 I am going to bring floodwaters on the earth to destroy all life under the heavens, every creature that has the breath of life in it. Everything on earth will perish.
Ge 6:5 The LORD saw how great man’s wickedness on the earth had become, and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil all the time.
Ge 6:6 The LORD was grieved that he had made man on the earth, and his heart was filled with pain.
Ge 6:7 So the LORD said, “I will wipe mankind, whom I have created, from the face of the earth—men and animals, and creatures that move along the ground, and birds of the air—for I am grieved that I have made them.”
Ge 6:8 Butunderstanding is required ,just as Cain needed to understand it he could if he wanted too ,but he did not ,
no difference today
T.Who caused all the evil on this earth in the days of Noah?
Was it men?wakeup.
wyour answer is in the scriptures i have quoted.read them
Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 08 2013,13:51) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 08 2013,08:33) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 08 2013,06:21) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 08 2013,00:12) In the days of Cain,there was no ten commandments.
There was nothing saying: thou shallt not kill,
but there is conscience of right and wrong.
Cain will not be judged by the law.
Jealousy was imputed by satan.
He was the first murderer.The father of all evil.wakeup.
wyou really should pay more attention when you read scriptures,
Ge 4:6 Then the LORD said to Cain,“Why are you angry? Why is your face downcast?
Ge 4:7 If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must master it.Ge 6:3 Then the LORD said, “My Spirit will not contend with man forever, for he is mortal
Ge 6:11 Now the earth was corrupt in God’s sight and was full of violence.
Ge 6:12 God saw how corrupt the earth had become, for all the people on earth had corrupted their ways.
Ge 6:13 So God said to Noah, “I am going to put an end to all people, for the earth is filled with violence because of them. I am surely going to destroy both them and the earthGe 6:17 I am going to bring floodwaters on the earth to destroy all life under the heavens, every creature that has the breath of life in it. Everything on earth will perish.
Ge 6:5 The LORD saw how great man’s wickedness on the earth had become, and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil all the time.
Ge 6:6 The LORD was grieved that he had made man on the earth, and his heart was filled with pain.
Ge 6:7 So the LORD said, “I will wipe mankind, whom I have created, from the face of the earth—men and animals, and creatures that move along the ground, and birds of the air—for I am grieved that I have made them.”
Ge 6:8 Butunderstanding is required ,just as Cain needed to understand it he could if he wanted too ,but he did not ,
no difference today
T.Who caused all the evil on this earth in the days of Noah?
Was it men?wakeup.
wyour answer is in the scriptures i have quoted.read them
T.Ok just say:I dont know.
wakeup.
w
Quote Ok just say:I dont know. Ge 4:7 If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must master it.
Ge 6:5 The LORD saw how great man’s wickedness on the earth had become, and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil all the time.
can you understand those scriptures
Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 08 2013,17:06) w Quote Ok just say:I dont know. Ge 4:7 If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must master it.
Ge 6:5 The LORD saw how great man’s wickedness on the earth had become, and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil all the time.
can you understand those scriptures
T.Cain was born after satan took over mankind.
Cain was stirred up by satan causing him to get Jealous.During the flood,man became all evil, because of the angels
that came down and defiled themselves with women.
Those angels are still in prison today.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 08 2013,14:27) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 08 2013,17:06) w Quote Ok just say:I dont know. Ge 4:7 If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must master it.
Ge 6:5 The LORD saw how great man’s wickedness on the earth had become, and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil all the time.
can you understand those scriptures
T.Cain was born after satan took over mankind.
Cain was stirred up by satan causing him to get Jealous.During the flood,man became all evil, because of the angels
that came down and defiled themselves with women.
Those angels are still in prison today.wakeup.
WThat is the type of believe you get when you do not believe all the scriptures
Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 05 2013,19:31) Hi Mike This is a good discussion, and the questions you ask are good, for we all need to be aware and understand the reasons why God said “I create evil”……….
I agree that it is a worthwhile discussion – for no one should go around claiming that God created evil simply because one ancient translation rendered the Hebrew word “ra” wrong in Isaiah 45:7.So, before we discuss the “rationales” that you listed in your post, let's first AGREE on the FACT that “evil” is only ONE of the MANY ways the KJV scholars translated the Hebrew word “ra”.
Can you AGREE with the undeniable FACT that those same scholars translated that same Hebrew word as “affliction”, “adversity”, and “trouble” in other verses of the Bible?
And can you therefore AGREE with the undeniable FACT that “evil” was simply the CHOICE the KJV scholars made in Isaiah 45:7 – and that they could have translated it as “I create adversity”, or “I send trouble”, etc?
Do you AGREE with these FACTS, journey?
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