Which Bible should I believe?

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Thank you Kerwin, David, and tigger, for addressing the nonsense Jack and Keith have thrown my way.

Jack, Moses had a Hebrew mother and father, but was RAISED by Egyptians. He was a Hebrew/Israelite.

And aside from the TRINITARIAN information that tigger posted – about vice-regents of God being addressed as if they were God Himself – you can also read Judges 6, where the angel of Jehovah is repeatedly addressed as Jehovah Himself.

Or, you can re-read the account of Genesis 18-19, where “Jehovah” made it rain fire and brimstone from “Jehovah” in heaven. Two “Jehovahs”?

Anyway, going on the assumption that anyone who is gullible enough to believe the Son OF God could actually BE the one and only Almighty God that he is the Son OF has at least a couple of screws loose in his head, I can see how you guys can't understand this simple principle that is spelled out for us in the footnotes of many TRINITARIAN Bibles.

Consider that “Jehovah” went before the Israelites in a pillar of cloud and fire, but “Jehovah” said He would NOT go with them, but would instead send an ANGEL with them. Consider the points Kerwin made, about how Paul said it was an ANGEL OF Jehovah who gave Moses the Law. Consider that Jacob wrestled with “God”, but we learn in Hosea that it was really an “ANGEL OF God” that Jacob wrestled against.

Ahh…….. what's the use? Jack's sitting here claiming that only one ANGEL of God is called “Jehovah” – inviting us to believe that Jesus, although being the ANGEL OF Jehovah, is also equally Jehovah Himself. As if God Almighty is an angel of Himself.

journey, you just need to do a little more research into the matter – and you'll come out fine.

And Keith, Kerwin is right that you missed my point.

If God created EVERYTHING in heaven, and God IS one of the things in heaven, then we have two choices:

1. God created Himself.
2. Everything in heaven that came AFTER God, was created by God.

The second is the sensible choice. So the same would apply to John 1:3. Everything that came into being AFTER the Word, was created BY God and THROUGH the Word.

At the very least, you can't deny this possible understanding of John 1:3. And seeing how Jesus/The Word is many times said to have been created as the firstborn of God, it is the ONLY sensible understanding.

November 16, 2013 at 7:39 pm#362050

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I dont know any hebrew word as RA'.

ra`

er ra`

Pronunciation: rah

Origin: from 07489

Reference: TWOT – 2191a 2191c

PrtSpch: adjective, noun masculine, noun feminime

In Hebrew: her 127, er 124, erh 92, herh 89, twer 18, Myer 18, herl 16, Mter 15, herb 14, erm 14, Myerh 13, erl 13, ter 12, erb 11, Kter 10, yter 8, erw 7, twerh 7, herw 5, herm 4, wterb 3, wterm 3, Mkter 3, twerw 3, Myerw 3, wter 3, twerhw 2, Kterb 2, term 2, Mkytwer 2, erhw 2, yer 1, terl 1, Mterbw 1, wterl 1, *erh {herh} 1, esr 1, terhw 1, Kterbw 1, herlw 1, Mterb 1, wterk 1, Mhytwerb 1, hter 1, Mterm 1, *er {her} 1, yterb 1, erml 1, srxt 1, ykter 1, wterw 1, terw 1, twerb 1

In NET: evil 236, disaster 78, harm 44, wicked 31, bad 19, trouble 19, calamity 17, wickedness 14, wrong 12, bad-looking 6, Disaster 6, misfortune 6, danger 5, disasters 4, judgment 4, catastrophe 3, wild 3, evil things 3, wickedly 3, deadly 3, ruin 3, displeased 2, misery 2, destruction 2, harmful 2, judgments 2, curse 2, great wickedness 2, awful 2, evil deeds 2, Evil 2, displeases 2, burdensome 2, destroying 2, worthless 2, sinned 2, does not please 1, wronged 1, displeasing 1, distress 1, cruel 1, bring demise 1, calamitous punishment 1, catastrophic end 1, badly 1, atrocities 1, Trouble 1, accusation 1, adversity 1, concern 1, crime 1, dangerous 1, dangers 1, defect 1, damage 1, cruelty 1, crimes 1, evil men 1, depressed 1, hard 1, surely 1, terrible 1, threatened judgment 1, tragedy 1, stronghold 1, sins 1, severe 1, sin 1, sinful practices 1, traitor 1, troubling 1, well-off 1, wicked things 1, worse 1, utterly harmful 1, unpleasant 1, ulcer 1, unfortunate 1, unjust 1, reputation 1, reproach 1, wrongly 1, heavy 1, hostility 1, improper 1, grave 1, fault 1, evil schemes 1, evildoing 1, fact 1, mistreated 1, no desire 1, problem 1, prostitutes 1, punish 1, person 1, painful incurable 1, oppression 1, painful 1, painful death 1, evil people 1

In AV: evil 442, wickedness 59, wicked 25, mischief 21, hurt 20, bad 13, trouble 10, sore 9, affliction 6, ill 5, adversity 4, favoured 3, harm 3, naught 3, noisome 2, grievous 2, sad 2, misc 34
Count: 663

Definition: adj
1) bad, evil
1a) bad, disagreeable, malignant
1b) bad, unpleasant, evil (giving pain, unhappiness, misery)
1c) evil, displeasing
1d) bad (of its kind – land, water, etc)
1e) bad (of value)
1f) worse than, worst (comparison)
1g) sad, unhappy
1h) evil (hurtful)
1i) bad, unkind (vicious in disposition)
1j) bad, evil, wicked (ethically)
1j1) in general, of persons, of thoughts
1j2) deeds, actions

n m
2) evil, distress, misery, injury, calamity
2a) evil, distress, adversity
2b) evil, injury, wrong
2c) evil (ethical)

n f
3) evil, misery, distress, injury
3a) evil, misery, distress
3b) evil, injury, wrong
3c) evil (ethical)
——————————————————————————–
from 7489; bad or (as noun) evil (natural or moral):-
adversity, affliction, bad, calamity, + displease(-ure),
distress, evil((- favouredness), man, thing), + exceedingly, X
great, grief(-vous), harm, heavy, hurt(-ful), ill (favoured),
+ mark, mischief(-vous), misery, naught(-ty), noisome, + not
please, sad(-ly), sore, sorrow, trouble, vex,
wicked(-ly, -ness, one), worse(-st), wretchedness, wrong.
(Incl. feminine raaah; as adjective or noun.).
see HEBREW for 07489

It is a HEBREW word, Wakeup. It is the HEBREW word that the KJV translates as “evil” in Isaiah 45:7, and as many other things in many other HEBREW scriptures.

Stop diverting from the point, and address the fact that the KJV scholars had the CHOICE of translating that HEBREW word as “evil” in Isaiah 45:7, or as one of the many other things they translated it as in many other scriptures.

November 16, 2013 at 9:14 pm#362060

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journey42 ,

What do you mean when you say angels are called by the name of Jehovah? There is at least one angel that is called Jehovah Elohim since according to Paul's word as translated by the ASKV translators the Law was ordained by angels.

Galatians 3:19
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

Yet we are also told Moses spoke face to face with Jehovah.

Exodus 33:11
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

11 And Jehovah hath spoken unto Moses face unto face, as a man speaketh unto his friend; and he hath turned back unto the camp, and his minister Joshua, son of Nun, a youth, departeth not out of the tent.

Exodus 33:11
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

11 And the Lord spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend. And he turned again into the camp: but his servant Joshua, the son of Nun, a young man, departed not out of the tabernacle.

Kerwin

Your scripture from the AKJV DID NOT PROVE that an angel was called Jehovah Elohim.

Journey,

You are not being clear on the reasons you make that conclusion.

Do you believe that the Law of Moses was ordained by angels?
Do you instead believe the AKJV is wrong and the Law was ordained by Jehovah Elohim or Jehovah and his angels?
Do you believe Moses was the mediator of that Law?

November 17, 2013 at 11:21 pm#362230

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journey42 ,

Galatians 3:19
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

Yet we are also told Moses spoke face to face with Jehovah.

Exodus 33:11
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

Exodus 33:11
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

Kerwin

Your scripture from the AKJV DID NOT PROVE that an angel was called Jehovah Elohim.

Journey,

You are not being clear on the reasons you make that conclusion.

Kerwin.

Are angels not messengers?
Did God not send his angels to deal with men?
Was not Gabri'el send to Daniel to give him understanding?

wakeup.

November 21, 2013 at 6:21 pm#362409

terraricca

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journey42 ,

Galatians 3:19
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

Yet we are also told Moses spoke face to face with Jehovah.

Exodus 33:11
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

Exodus 33:11
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

Kerwin

Your scripture from the AKJV DID NOT PROVE that an angel was called Jehovah Elohim.

Journey,

You are not being clear on the reasons you make that conclusion.

Kerwin.

Are angels not messengers?
Did God not send his angels to deal with men?
Was not Gabri'el send to Daniel to give him understanding?

wakeup.

you never can answer with a honest answer to the question right

this must be your nature ,right

November 22, 2013 at 1:41 am#362438

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journey42 ,

Galatians 3:19
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

Yet we are also told Moses spoke face to face with Jehovah.

Exodus 33:11
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

Exodus 33:11
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

Kerwin

Your scripture from the AKJV DID NOT PROVE that an angel was called Jehovah Elohim.

Journey,

You are not being clear on the reasons you make that conclusion.

Kerwin.

Are angels not messengers?
Did God not send his angels to deal with men?
Was not Gabri'el send to Daniel to give him understanding?

wakeup.

Wakeup,

My point is that angels were the ones that dealt with mankind directly, not Jehovah.

November 22, 2013 at 10:45 am#362454

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journey42 ,

Galatians 3:19
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

Yet we are also told Moses spoke face to face with Jehovah.

Exodus 33:11
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

Exodus 33:11
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

Kerwin

Your scripture from the AKJV DID NOT PROVE that an angel was called Jehovah Elohim.

Journey,

You are not being clear on the reasons you make that conclusion.

Kerwin.

Are angels not messengers?
Did God not send his angels to deal with men?
Was not Gabri'el send to Daniel to give him understanding?

wakeup.

Wakeup,

My point is that angels were the ones that dealt with mankind directly, not Jehovah.

Kerwin.

Yes; I agree,for they are the messengers of God.
But not only angels. God many times used man to pass on the message.
Jesus;the prophets,the apostles,some christian brothers.
Sometimes the message comes through dreams,visions.
**The full message comes through the inspired scriptures**.

It is important not to twist the message to turn it to the contrary,this is the big problem caused by wicked men,
inspired by the god of this world.
But the true at heart, will be guided by the Holy spirit.
Paul the enemy of Jesus,was changed in a moment,and given all knowledge of Christ.

God knew you before you were born,and he knew the path you will take in your life.The world has lead us to its way.
And God is leading us back to his way,if we only have faith in him,and let the Holy spirit guide us.

The world leads us to the desires of the flesh.
God leads us to the desires of the spirit,which is against our desires of the flesh.
The material is in our hearts,rather than the spiritual.
We need to leave the concept of the world,and dwell in zion
the city of our God.
Come out of her my people,come into Zion where there is peace. In Babylon you have troubles,and emptiness of the soul. Fear and uncertainty.

wakeup.

November 26, 2013 at 12:03 am#362668

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Wakeup and journey,

Are you ready to acknowledge that the KJV translated the Hebrew word “ra” as various other things besides “evil”?

Will you acknowledge that it was merely their CHOICE to translate it as “evil” in Isaiah 45:7?

Will you acknowledge that they could have translated it as “adversity” or “trouble” in Is 45:7 – like they did in other scriptures?

November 26, 2013 at 1:28 am#362670

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 26 2013,10:03)

Wakeup and journey,

Are you ready to acknowledge that the KJV translated the Hebrew word “ra” as various other things besides “evil”?

Will you acknowledge that it was merely their CHOICE to translate it as “evil” in Isaiah 45:7?

Will you acknowledge that they could have translated it as “adversity” or “trouble” in Is 45:7 – like they did in other scriptures?

Mike B.

THE SCRIPTURES BELOW ARE IN HARMONY WITH
GOD CREATE EVIL.
SCRIPTURES CAN NOT BE BROKEN.
PLEASE COMMENT:

1) Exodus 4:11 And the LORD said unto him, Who hath made man's mouth? or who maketh the dumb, or deaf, or the seeing, or the blind? **have not I the LORD**?

2) Deuteronomy 32:39 See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: **I kill, and I make alive**; **I wound, and I heal**: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.

3) Job 26:13 By his spirit he hath garnished the heavens; **his hand hath formed the crooked serpent**.
(GOD CREATED THE EVIL ONE).

4) Psalms 78:49 He cast upon them the fierceness of his anger, wrath, and indignation, and trouble, by **sending evil angels among them**. (GOD SENDS EVIL).

5) 1 Samuel 2:6 **The LORD killeth**, and maketh alive: he bringeth down to the grave, and bringeth up.

6) Isaiah 45:7 **I form the light**, and **create darkness**: I make peace, **and create evil**: I the LORD do all these things. (DARKNESS IS COMPARED WITH EVIL).

7) Isaiah 54:16 Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his work; and **I have created the waster to destroy*.(TO DESTROY IS EVIL).

9) Lamentations 3:38 Out of the mouth of the most High **proceedeth not evil and good**?
(DARKNESS AND LIGHT).

10) Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be **evil in a city**, and **the LORD hath not done it**?

IS THERE ANYTHING THAT THE LORD CAN NOT OR DID NOT DO?

wakeup.

November 27, 2013 at 12:55 am#362732

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Answer all three questions with a YES or a NO, Wakeup.

journey, I expect the same from you.

THEN……….. ONCE YOU'VE ACKNOWLEDGED THAT YOU UNDERSTAND THESE FACTS…….. we can address all of those scriptures one at a time – and see if they do in fact support the claim that God “created evil”.

But first, answer me so I know you understand those facts.

November 27, 2013 at 4:09 am#362734

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 26 2013,10:03)

Wakeup and journey,

Are you ready to acknowledge that the KJV translated the Hebrew word “ra” as various other things besides “evil”?

Will you acknowledge that it was merely their CHOICE to translate it as “evil” in Isaiah 45:7?

Will you acknowledge that they could have translated it as “adversity” or “trouble” in Is 45:7 – like they did in other scriptures?

Mike

In my research, I learn't that many Hebrew words had different meanings. The one word was used in many ways.
Just like the chinese language, the same word uttered in a different pitch gave it a different meaning. The language was not so vast as it is today. It was simple.

You can argue all you like about the word “Ra”, and everytime I look it up I get the egyptian meaning. Egyptian God, sun, shine etc.

I need to look at the Ben Chayyim Text to see if it's in there, to get an idea before I answer you. You are not a translator, and neither am I. Neither of us have the originals, nor the authority to translate God's holy Word. All I know is that your source cannot be trusted, so I'll go with NO.

November 27, 2013 at 6:42 am#362742

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Just another video.

November 28, 2013 at 7:39 pm#362786

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You can argue all you like about the word “Ra”, and everytime I look it up I get the egyptian meaning. Egyptian God, sun, shine etc.

Try looking in a Hebrew lexicon, journey. Or just look at the second post on the previous page of this thread.

I can't believe that you and Wakeup would rather PRETEND that the Hebrew word “ra” doesn't exist than to honestly address this issue.

You say my source can't be trusted, but “my source” is ANY Hebrew lexicon that you can find ANYWHERE on the web. Find your own, and then search for the meanings of the Hebrew word “ra”.

Or do you think Is 45:7 should say that God created good and the sun god Ra?

November 29, 2013 at 1:13 am#362799

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Quote (journey42 @ Nov. 26 2013,21:09)

You can argue all you like about the word “Ra”, and everytime I look it up I get the egyptian meaning. Egyptian God, sun, shine etc.

Try looking in a Hebrew lexicon, journey. Or just look at the second post on the previous page of this thread.

I can't believe that you and Wakeup would rather PRETEND that the Hebrew word “ra” doesn't exist than to honestly address this issue.

You say my source can't be trusted, but “my source” is ANY Hebrew lexicon that you can find ANYWHERE on the web. Find your own, and then search for the meanings of the Hebrew word “ra”.

Or do you think Is 45:7 should say that God created good and the sun god Ra?

Mikeb.

The latter translations will be full of contradictions.
Babylon the great is nothing but confusion.

wakeup.

November 29, 2013 at 3:07 am#362800

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Try looking in a Hebrew lexicon, journey. Or just look at the second post on the previous page of this thread.

I can't believe that you and Wakeup would rather PRETEND that the Hebrew word “ra” doesn't exist than to honestly address this issue.

You say my source can't be trusted, but “my source” is ANY Hebrew lexicon that you can find ANYWHERE on the web. Find your own, and then search for the meanings of the Hebrew word “ra”.

Or do you think Is 45:7 should say that God created good and the sun god Ra?

Hi Mike

Ok, I have only studied the holy bible and never used a lexicon. I don't know how to use a lexicon, and have never needed it to understand the scriptures, as the translation of the holy scriptures is already inspired by God. So this tells me no need to doubt his word. The hard work has been done, now all we have to do is read, believe, and seek. If I don't know a word's meaning, I'll look it up in English.

But you have got me running all over the place now, so I will do this just for you and learn about lexicons. I may look silly in your eyes, but the scriptures state this;

1 Timothy 6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
1 Timothy 6:4 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, wherof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings.
1 Timothy 6:5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

1 Timothy 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
1 Timothy 6:21 Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen.

This is the first site I found. So I learn now that there are two main lexicons, but one is preferred over the other by newer bible versions.

Can You Trust Your Lexicon?
By Pastor George Shafer
“There is nothing that two “computer people” enjoy more than having a technical conversation in front of someone else who is not a computer person. At the end of the interchange filled with “DASDs”, “peripherals”, “EBCDICs” and other computer terms, the two computer people know exactly what has been said, and the third person thinks that maybe they were speaking in Navaho.

If we do not understand the meaning of the words someone is using, we cannot receive their message accurately. So it is with the words found in the Bible. If those words do not have precise meanings, they cannot communicate a precise message.

Because Biblical Greek is not our living language – we do not speak Greek – we rely on other men who specialize in languages to tell us the meaning of Greek words found in the Received Text. In the case of the King James Bible we trust in the expertise of its translators and more than that in the providential protection that God exercised in the form of preservation (not double inspiration).

Some, who would cast doubt upon the skills of the King James translators or the preservation in the King James Bible, go to a lexicon (two language dictionary) to obtain their definitions. Then they often take those definitions and challenge the translators to a duel . . . my lexicon versus your expertise and God's preservation.

The most commonly used Greek-English Lexicon is one prepared in the very late 1800's by Joseph Henry Thayer. It is, for example, the lexicon used in the Online Bible computer program, and probably the one on most modern pastor's bookshelves. Let us see just how valid this lexicon is as a substitute for the translation skills of the King James translators and the preservation promised by God Himself.

I would insist that anyone who wishes to use I Thayer's Lexicon firsts read the “Publisher's Introduction.” These five pages are filled with valuable tidbits that can open an honest man's eyes to the dangers that follow.

The introduction starts by claiming it is impossible to understand passages such as II Thessalonians 2:6-7 (where the word “let” is used as a synonym for “hinder”) without the aid of a good Greek Lexicon. (They seem to forget the availability of a good English language dictionary). The introduction then goes on to give a lengthy discussion of the Greek words that are translated “repent” or “repentance” in the Bible. This, in itself, is not bad, but what follows after should open the reader's eyes their very widest. The following is the exact quotation from the Publisher's introduction to Thayer's Greek-English Lexicon:

“A word of caution is necessary. Thayer was a Unitarian, and the errors of this sect occasionally come through in the explanatory notes. The reader should be alert for both subtle and blatant denials of such doctrines as the Trinity (Thayer regarded Christ as a mere man and the Holy Spirit as an impersonal force emanating from God), the inherent and total depravity of fallen human nature, the eternal punishment of the wicked, and Biblical inerrancy. When defining metamelomai [the Greek word for regret], Thayer refuses to draw a clear distinction between this word and metanoeo [the Greek word for a change of mind – repentance]. Underlying this refusal is the view that man is inherently good, needing Christ not as a Savior but only as an example.”

After the reader has picked his jaw up off the floor, and continues reading, he will be treated to other comments such as this:

“Thayer's Greek-English Lexicon and Strong's Exhaustive Concordance are based on different Greek texts of the New Testament. Strong prefers the Received Text that underlies the King James Version; Thayer, the critical text of Westcott and Hort that underlies the English Revised Version (1881) and the American Standard Version (1901) [and the NASV].”

This should not surprise us as we already knew that Thayer was on the committee that assembled the Revised Version of 1881.

Armed with the aforementioned facts, consider the following scenario. A man picks up Thayer's Lexicon and looks up the English language meaning of a Greek word from the Bible. He then compares that meaning to the English translation he sees in his modern version and to the translation found in the King James Bible. What he is likely to notice is that, when the word is translated differently in his modern version than it is in the King James Bible, the lexicon agrees with the modern version. Aha!, he says, I've found an error in the King James Bible – you see, the modern version agrees with the lexicon.

In this instance, what the man has actually found is that Thayer, the author of the lexicon and the contributor to the Revised Version, agrees with himself. Is this such a surprise? Should we have expected anything else?

This is yet another strike against the modern versions. They are being translated by men who learned their Greek at the feet of an apostate Unitarian. For example, when they insist that the translation of monogenes should be “one of a kind” instead of “only begotten”, who do you think taught them that? . . . Joseph Henry Thayer, of course.

The next time someone challenges your King James Bible with a Greek Lexicon, realize that what they are really doing is putt
ing their apostate universalist Unitarian lexicon author up against the godly men who translated the King James Bible. The same holds true when a pastor stands in a pulpit and corrects the King James translators. It is simply a case of going to the other side to get an opinion.
If you can't trust your lexicon, who can you trust? Well, you could start by trusting God when He promised to preserve His word. There are good lexicons out there, but our trust is in God's preserved word, not in our ability to check up on the King James translators.

I'll take the men who translated the King James Bible and the God who preserved His word over any dozen lost apostate men who write lexicons. Don't let the lexicon, or those that trust in it, deceive you. Stick with your King James Bible.”

I'll get to your “ra” question next.

November 29, 2013 at 3:07 am#362801

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You can argue all you like about the word “Ra”, and everytime I look it up I get the egyptian meaning. Egyptian God, sun, shine etc.

Try looking in a Hebrew lexicon, journey. Or just look at the second post on the previous page of this thread.

I can't believe that you and Wakeup would rather PRETEND that the Hebrew word “ra” doesn't exist than to honestly address this issue.

You say my source can't be trusted, but “my source” is ANY Hebrew lexicon that you can find ANYWHERE on the web. Find your own, and then search for the meanings of the Hebrew word “ra”.

Or do you think Is 45:7 should say that God created good and the sun god Ra?

Mikeb.

The latter translations will be full of contradictions.
Babylon the great is nothing but confusion.

wakeup.

Wakeup,

You say that because you want it to be true not because you can make a case to support your claim. In point of fact you have invested yourself in that claim to such a degree that you suppress disbelieve in it even when presented with evidence that disproves it. There is plenty of evidence making this case in the posts you have written.

It is God you need invest yourself in and not a human construct, even one you have made yourself.

November 29, 2013 at 3:10 am#362802

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Journey,

A Lexicon is basically a dictionary.

November 29, 2013 at 4:28 am#362803

tigger2

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To look up ra in the Ben Chayyim Text click on the following link and go to the pages indicated below:

http://pastorpauley.com/ancient/masoretic.pdf " class="bbcode-link"> http://pastorpauley.com/ancient/masoretic.pdf

Ra ('adversity' – KJV) Ps 94:13 (p. 846, left end of :13)
Ra ('evil' – KJV) Is. 45:7 (p. 543, next to last at left end)

November 29, 2013 at 5:15 am#362804

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Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 29 2013,13:10)

Journey,

A Lexicon is basically a dictionary.

Kerwin

It's a lot harder for me to use than just a dictionary.

November 29, 2013 at 5:16 am#362805