Which Bible should I believe?

[journey42]

I stumbled upon this video yesterday, very interesting.
I'm not into preachers who say “God told me” but I'm into facts.

[terraricca]

to bad you cannot find someone that really believes in God's message to receive the true understanding though all the bibles not any one in particular ,because after all it is not our words but God's ,

[journey42]

terraricca,Nov. wrote:

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to bad you cannot find someone that really believes in God's message to receive the true understanding though all the bibles not any one in particular ,because after all it is not our words but God's ,

Pierre,

This man believes the same as I, that God's word was perfect to begin with and needed no correction.

They are telling us that every Christian that read the Word of God in the KJV has been decieved for the last 400 years?  
So all those verses the new translations took out never existed to begin with?
Is that what you are saying?
You are giving us permission to blank out MANY VERSES and words from our bibles?

You havn't even watched the video yet, yet you comment?  Look at the differences if you dare.
You trust in men and not God yet accuse others of doing so.

[terraricca]

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terraricca,Nov. wrote: [/quote] Quote to bad you cannot find someone that really believes in God's message to receive the true understanding though all the bibles not any one in particular ,because after all it is not our words but God's , Pierre, This man believes the same as I, that God's word was perfect to begin with and needed no correction. They are telling us that every Christian that read the Word of God in the KJV has been decieved for the last 400 years?   So all those verses the new translations took out never existed to begin with? Is that what you are saying? You are giving us permission to blank out MANY VERSES and words from our bibles? You havn't even watched the video yet, yet you comment?  Look at the differences if you dare. You trust in men and not God yet accuse others of doing so.

j42

for the video ,you right I have not seen it ,and will not see it no interest ;

but for your perfect bible this I have a question ;

MT 5:18 “For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.

MT 23:23 “ Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cummin, and have neglected the weightier provisions of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness; but these are the things you should have done without neglecting the others.

LK 16:16 “ The Law and the Prophets were proclaimed until John; since that time the gospel of the kingdom of God has been preached, and everyone is forcing his way into it.

JN 7:19 “ Did not Moses give you the Law, and yet none of you carries out the Law?

MT 15:3 And He answered and said to them, “Why do you yourselves transgress the commandment of God for the sake of your tradition?
MT 15:6 he is not to honor his father or his mother.’ And by this you invalidated the word of God for the sake of your tradition.
MK 7:9 He was also saying to them, “You are experts at setting aside the commandment of God in order to keep your tradition.
MK 7:13 thus invalidating the word of God by your tradition which you have handed down; and you do many things such as that.”

DO YOU THINK THAT ALL THE TRANSLATIONS FROM THOSE CORRUPTED GUY'S HAS NOT BEEN SPILLED IN THE SCRIPTURES

[terraricca]

J42

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They are telling us that every Christian that read the Word of God in the KJV has been decieved for the last 400 years? So all those verses the new translations took out never existed to begin with? Is that what you are saying? You are giving us permission to blank out MANY VERSES and words from our bibles?

NO ,THAT IS NOT WHAT I SAY,WHAT I SAY IS THAT IT DOES NOT MATTER IF THE TRUE BELIEVER AS THE KJV OR ANY OTHER HE CAN HAVE ACCESS TO THE TRUTH OF GOD IN A PERFECT WAY ;THAT IS WHAT I SAID AND MEAN;

[journey42]

Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 03 2013,13:26)

J42 Quote They are telling us that every Christian that read the Word of God in the KJV has been decieved for the last 400 years?   So all those verses the new translations took out never existed to begin with? Is that what you are saying? You are giving us permission to blank out MANY VERSES and words from our bibles? NO ,THAT IS NOT WHAT I SAY,WHAT I SAY IS THAT IT DOES NOT MATTER IF THE TRUE BELIEVER AS THE KJV OR ANY OTHER HE CAN HAVE ACCESS TO THE TRUTH OF GOD IN A PERFECT WAY ;THAT IS WHAT I SAID AND MEAN;

Pierre,

You asked me to show you in the bible where God says that he creates evil.
I did that.
So you and others attacked my KJV saying it was wrong.
Therefore you do not accept the KJV as the Word of God amongst all your other translations that you spread out before you.

I will get back to your other questions later, and answer them from my KJV.

[tigger2]

If anyone believes the KJV is the most accurate English translation of God's word, he should then believe what Ps 83:18 states:

Psa 83:16 Fill their faces with shame; that they may seek thy name, O LORD.
Psa 83:17 Let them be confounded and troubled for ever; yea, let them be put to shame, and perish:
Psa 83:18 That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH [YHWH in Hebrew], art the most high over all the earth. – KJV.

If we are to believe that the Most High's name is Jehovah, why does the KJV render nearly all 6000+ uses of the same name (YHWH) as 'LORD'?

And why aren't you and all KJV believers using that name as the KJV did?

[terraricca]

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Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 03 2013,13:26) J42 Quote They are telling us that every Christian that read the Word of God in the KJV has been decieved for the last 400 years?   So all those verses the new translations took out never existed to begin with? Is that what you are saying? You are giving us permission to blank out MANY VERSES and words from our bibles? NO ,THAT IS NOT WHAT I SAY,WHAT I SAY IS THAT IT DOES NOT MATTER IF THE TRUE BELIEVER AS THE KJV OR ANY OTHER HE CAN HAVE ACCESS TO THE TRUTH OF GOD IN A PERFECT WAY ;THAT IS WHAT I SAID AND MEAN; Pierre, You asked me to show you in the bible where God says that he creates evil. I did that. So you and others attacked my KJV saying it was wrong. Therefore you do not accept the KJV as the Word of God amongst all your other translations that you spread out before you. I will get back to your other questions later, and answer them from my KJV.

J42

what does it mean the word EVIL

I showed you it means many thing ;other versions of bibles have a variation that is more precise that just EVIL,

so explain it

[kerwin]

The video is over an hour and half long. I do not have that much time.

[kerwin]

journey42,

I did not as my vocabulary is large enough to understand that evil has many meanings.  I attacked your accusation that God created moral evil.  God cannot be tempted by evil and creating evil is too much like doing evil.

[terraricca]

J42

YOU DID NOT ANSWER MY QUESTION WHY

[Wakeup]

Quote (tigger2 @ Nov. 03 2013,13:53)

If anyone believes the KJV is the most accurate English translation of God's word, he should then believe what Ps 83:18 states: Psa 83:16 Fill their faces with shame; that they may seek thy name, O LORD. Psa 83:17 Let them be confounded and troubled for ever; yea, let them be put to shame, and perish: Psa 83:18 That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH [YHWH in Hebrew], art the most high over all the earth. – KJV. If we are to believe that the Most High's name is Jehovah, why does the KJV render nearly all 6000+ uses of the same name (YHWH) as 'LORD'? And why aren't you and all KJV believers using that name as the KJV did?

Tigger2.

Exodus 3:15 And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.

HIS NAME IS THE GOD OF ABRAHAM,ISAC,AND JACOB.
UNTO ALL GENERATIONS.

Exodus 6:3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.

1.BY THE NAME OF GOD ALMIGHTY.
2.JEHOVAH.

Exodus 23:21 Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him.

GOD'S NAME IS IN JESUS. DID JESUS EVER MENTIONED
THE NAME JEHOVAH DURING HIS 3/HALF YRS PREACHING?

WE CAN NOT PUT GOD IN A BOX'; AND CALL HIM BY ONE NAME ONLY; FOR HE IS GOD.
HE ALSO CALLED HIMSELF;ALPHA AND OMEGA.
THE FIRST AND THE LAST.
THE LORD OF HOST IS MY NAME.
THE EVERLASTING FATHER.
HE IS ALL. I AM THAT I AM.

wakeup.

[journey42]

terraricca,Nov. wrote:

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what does it mean  the word EVIL I showed you it means many thing ;other versions of bibles have a variation that is more precise that just EVIL, so explain it

Pierre,

Evil is the opposite to good.

Psalms 26:5   I have hated the congregation of evil doers; and will not sit with the wicked.

Psalms 34:21   Evil shall slay the wicked: and they that hate the righteous shall be desolate.

Psalms 37:19  They shall not be ashamed in the evil time: and in the days of famine they shall be satisfied.

Psalms 37:9   For evildoers shall be cut off: but those that wait upon the LORD, they shall inherit the earth.

Psalms 78:49   He cast upon them the fierceness of his anger, wrath, and indignation, and trouble, by sending evil angels among them.

Psalms 34:14   Depart from evil, and do good; seek peace, and pursue it.

Exodus 32:14   And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people.

Psalms 5:4   For thou art not a God that hath pleasure in wickedness: neither shall evil dwell with thee.

The world call evil good and good evil.
They have it all mixed up.  
But if we really want to know what evil is, then we go to the scriptures and whatever opposes God or his commandments is considered evil…. therefore not good… and not deserving of a reward by God, but a punishment.
The opposite of good.
And man can't tell us what it is, only God can through his Word.

[journey42]

tigger2,Nov. wrote:

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Tigger2.

Jesus told us what to call him when he told us how to pray.

Our Father
who art in heaven
hallowed be thy name …

Were we instructed by Christ to call him anything else?
I don't call my dad by his first name,
that would be disrespectful,
but I'm allowed to know his name,
because I came from him.
God calls us his children,
therefore that makes him our Father.
Christ is showing us that our relationship with him now is so close that we are considered family through the spirit.  We are our Father's children.
And calling him Father as Christ always did, makes our bond even stronger. It is term of endearment that can't be beat.

[terraricca]

Quote (journey42 @ Nov. 03 2013,20:29)

terraricca,Nov. wrote: [/quote] Quote what does it mean  the word EVIL I showed you it means many thing ;other versions of bibles have a variation that is more precise that just EVIL, so explain it Pierre, Evil is the opposite to good. Psalms 26:5   I have hated the congregation of evil doers; and will not sit with the wicked. Psalms 34:21   Evil shall slay the wicked: and they that hate the righteous shall be desolate. Psalms 37:19  They shall not be ashamed in the evil time: and in the days of famine they shall be satisfied. Psalms 37:9   For evildoers shall be cut off: but those that wait upon the LORD, they shall inherit the earth. Psalms 78:49   He cast upon them the fierceness of his anger, wrath, and indignation, and trouble, by sending evil angels among them. Psalms 34:14   Depart from evil, and do good; seek peace, and pursue it. Exodus 32:14   And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people. Psalms 5:4   For thou art not a God that hath pleasure in wickedness: neither shall evil dwell with thee. The world call evil good and good evil. They have it all mixed up.   But if we really want to know what evil is, then we go to the scriptures and whatever opposes God or his commandments is considered evil…. therefore not good… and not deserving of a reward by God, but a punishment. The opposite of good. And man can't tell us what it is, only God can through his Word.

J42

so the word evil stand for many things and his a general meaning of what his contrary to God's will and love ,right

and so WE NOW CAN SAY THAT GOD DID NOT CREATED EVIL ,BUT BECAUSE HE CREATED BEINGS FREE TO LOVE HIM HE ALSO GIVE THEM THE POTENTIAL OF BEING BY CHOICE WICKED RIGHT ???YES THAT IS HOW I UNDERSTAND THE SCRIPTURES

[Wakeup]

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and so WE NOW CAN SAY THAT GOD DID NOT CREATED EVIL

Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, **and create evil**:
***I the LORD do all these things***.

THERE IS NOT A PROBLEM FOR YOU TO CONTRADICT THE WRITTEN WORD. IT IS THE NORMAL THING TO DO.
HAVE GONE USE TO IT.
TO PROTECT A LIE IS MORE IMPORTANT.

wakeup.

[mikeboll64]

Hi All,

I believe Tigger's point is that the KJV translates the tetragrammaton as “Jehovah” in at least one verse.  So if they decided on “Jehovah” (as opposed to “Yahweh” or whatever) in that one verse, then why didn't they follow through all the other times the tetragrammaton was written in the Hebrew texts?

For example, David wrote in Psalm 110, “Jehovah said to my Lord……..”  He didn't write, “The LORD said to my Lord………”

So the point is that if they KNOW “YHWH” is the NAME of God, and NOT the TITLE “Lord” – then why didn't they consistently translate the NAME “Jehovah” where the NAME was written in the Hebrew texts?  Why did they instead REMOVE the Divine Name from the Hebrew texts over 6000 times?

(Interestingly enough, last year the KJV people produced a new translation where they restored that Divine NAME where it belongs.  They should have done that the first time.)

It's also interesting to know that in the oldest known fragments of the NT, the Hebrew tetragrammaton is found written within the Greek words – where the Greek text is quoting an OT scripture.

So when Jesus read from the scroll of Isaiah in Luke 4, he very well could have read the actual NAME of his God – as written in that Hebrew scroll.  It also means that Luke may have originally written the Hebrew NAME “YHWH” in the midst of all his Greek words when he quoted the words Jesus spoke to that synagogue in his gospel.

In other words, we don't specifically know that Jesus never mentioned the NAME of his God.  He did tell God that he had made His NAME known to the people.  And that could mean the actual NAME, or it could mean God's reputation.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 03 2013,09:08)

Isaiah 45:7   I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace,      **and create evil**:              ***I the LORD do all these things***.

Wakeup,

If the KJV got “the LORD” part wrong in that verse you quoted, perhaps they got the “evil” part wrong as well.

Consider that in the KJV, that same Hebrew word “ra” is translated thusly:

evil 442, wickedness 59, wicked 25, mischief 21, hurt 20, bad 13, trouble 10, sore 9, affliction 6, ill 5, adversity 4, favoured 3, harm 3, naught 3, noisome 2, grievous 2, sad 2, misc 34

Do you see that even the KJV translators rendered that same word as “affliction” 6 times elsewhere in the Bible?  And as “trouble” 10 times?  And as “adversity” 4 times?

All we're saying is that all of these ARE legitimate definitions of the same Hebrew word, and that the KJV translators should have used one of them in Isaiah 45:7 instead of “evil”.  It's absurd to me to think my God actually created evil.

You should also note that the word translated as “create” in that verse is also translated in the KJV as “dispatch”.

So in reality, Isaiah 45:7 COULD BE saying that Jehovah is the one who “dispatches adversity”.

And what YOU guys are saying is that the regular old MEN who translated the KJV were infallible, and that although they had the CHOICE to translate the word as “evil” or as “adversity”, they CHOSE “evil” in that verse – and cannot possibly have been WRONG.

I think that's putting an awful lot of faith in the CHOICE of some mere men.  And what if you and those men are wrong?  Are you comfortable preaching that your God CREATED EVIL – knowing how much of a slam that would be to your God if you and the KJV translators are wrong?

[Wakeup]

Mike B.

Making this a big issue is just a diversion to me.
We know that God has many names and one of his name is Jehovah.

Wether its mentioned 1000 times or just 10 times
is not important. We know that God has many names.

Jesus could not have called his Father; Jehovah.
But my Father.My father in heaven.My God.
I would never call my father george; because that is disrespectful. Jus as no one would call the queen by her name; but your majesty.

God has given us one church,and Jesus is the head.
So also;God has given us one book;and also authorised by a king.This book is registered,no one can copy.

Many translations causes confusion.
Devide and conquer is satans motto,adopted by the
western nations.

Husband and wife have each a different translation,
this is also to devide the family.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 03 2013,21:08)

T. Quote and so WE NOW CAN SAY THAT GOD DID NOT CREATED EVIL  Isaiah 45:7   I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace,      **and create evil**:              ***I the LORD do all these things***. THERE IS NOT A PROBLEM FOR YOU TO CONTRADICT THE WRITTEN WORD. IT IS THE NORMAL THING TO DO. HAVE GONE USE TO IT. TO PROTECT A LIE IS MORE IMPORTANT. wakeup.

W

Isa 45:7 I form the light and create darkness,
I bring prosperity and create disaster;
I, the LORD, do all these things NIV

i rather like this version ,being more accurate to the truth ,
this understanding seems right ,but God is love and righteous in all he does ;

what this verse says ;is that because one thing comes to live the other comes as well but is not wanted ,

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