Where to fellowship if you don’t believe in the Trinity

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    DavidL
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    “Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:”

    These are the words of Jesus Christ whom you say you follow…

    His Words are life..

    but yours are poison.

    #799345
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    Do you have any support scriptures for what you quote?

    2Cor 13.1

    #799354
    kerwin
    Participant

    DavidL,

    “Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:”

    These are the words of Jesus Christ whom you say you follow…

    His Words are life..

    but yours are poison.

    Then the Eleven went and taught all nations and immersed them in the name of Jesus Christ.

    #799652
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    @DavidL
    You said:

    “Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:”
    These are the words of Jesus Christ whom you say you follow…
    His Words are life..
    but yours are poison.

    The Catholics have had a very strong influence in your life DavidL.

    Encyclopedia Britannia, the 11th edition vol 3, page 365-366
    “The baptismal formula was changed from the name of Jesus Christ to the words Father, Son and Holy Ghost by the Catholic church in the second century.

    Encyclopedia Britannia, vol 3, page 82
    “Everywhere in the oldest sources it states that baptism took place in the name of Jesus Christ.”

    Canney Encyclopedia of Religion, page 53
    The early church baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus until the second century.

    Hastings Encyclopedia of Religion, Volume2
    Christian baptism was administered using the words, “in the name of Jesus”. page 377.

    The use of the trinitarian formula of any sort was not suggested in the early Church’s history.page 378

    “Go ye therefore and teach all nations, in my name” … the latter form being the more frequent.page 380.

    Baptism was always in the name of Jesus until time of Justin Martyr, when the triune formula was used. page 389.

    Catholic Encyclopedia, vol 2, page 377,
    Catholics acknowledge that baptism in Jesus’ name was changed by the Catholic church.

    Schaff-Herzog Religious Encyclopedia, Volume 1, page 435
    The New Testament knows only the baptism in the name of Jesus.

    Hastings Dictionary of Bible, page 88
    It must be acknowledged that the three fold name of Matthew 28:19 does not appear to have been used by the primitive church, but rather in the name of Jesus, Jesus Christ, or Lord Jesus.

    The Canney Encyclopedia of Religion, page 53 states,
    The early Church always baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus until the development of the trinity doctrine in the 2nd Century.

    Source: https://heavennet.net/writings/supporting-the-trinity-doctrine/matthew-28_19/

    #799654
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    the anti-trinity teachings on this site are the doctrines of men..
    Revelation reveals the Deity of Jesus Christ.

    What about the anti-marshmallow man teachings?

    Or is it that we teach that there is one God the Father and one Lord the Lord Jesus Christ. Does it annoy you that we teach that the one true God sent his son into the world? Do you get riled when we say that there is one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.

    If that is anti-Trinity teaching then thank you for clearing that up.

    But we don’t go around saying here is a teaching on the anti-trinity. Rather we say here is a teaching from scripture about God.

    #799793
    DavidL
    Participant

    In denying the trinity you deny the true Deity of Jesus Christ.. who, as He Himself declared, the Spirit testifies, and the whole of Scripture confirms – is One with God.

    #799801
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    For us there is one God and one Lord.

    How many deities do you have?

    #799840
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    In denying the trinity you deny the true Deity of Jesus Christ.. who, as He Himself declared, the Spirit testifies, and the whole of Scripture confirms – is One with God.

    Even this statement of your’s is untrue.

    Did you not read that we can participate in divine nature and that Jesus existed in the form of God.

    Again you confuse nature and identity.

    There is one Spirit right, but there are many spirits who are angels right. There is one who is the Devil, yet Judas was called ‘devil’.

    Nature vs identity. When you understand that, you will be able to make sensible decisions about what is written about God and his son. If there is no difference to you, then you will continue to make the same errors and be helpful to nobody.

    #799866
    DavidL
    Participant

    Nature vs identity. When you understand that, you will be able to make sensible decisions about what is written about God and his son.

    When you learn to trust God for understanding then you will not only make sensible decisions – but you will begin to grasp spiritual truth.

    #799867
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    But the Spirit reminds us of the words of Jesus Christ.

    He never said he was a god nor that he was part of a divine committee.

    #799875
    kerwin
    Participant

    DavidL,

    I trust God for understanding as all human beings are liars. The greatest obstacle I have is that I too am a liar according to the flesh nature. God word does not agree with what my flesh nature wants to hear. It appeals to that part that hungers and thirsts to be like him in true righteousness and holiness. That part reject the claim that Jesus is God because God cannot be tempted by evil and Jesus Christ was fully tempted as is common to humanity.

    Have you not read where Jesus stated ” be of good cheer; I have overcome the world” and there is no reason we should be of good cheer because God who can do anything that is not evil overcame the world. Instead we are cheered by the fact that a human being has overcome the world and so pioneered the trail that we might follow.

    #799881
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi KW,

    Was your flesh nature not part of the creation God said was very good?

    #799888
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    My flesh nature is my godless nature and perhaps it was part of the human creation as it serves the purpose of testing our hearts. I know that mankind did not eat of the fruits of the flesh nature until Eve first fell to the temptation of the serpent.

    #799890
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi KW,

    They ate of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

    We should not make assumptions or add to what is written.

     

    FRUITS OF THE FLESH NATURE?

    You mean followed lusts?

     

    #799898
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    In Galatians they are called works of the flesh but Jesus said you will know them by their fruit.

    #799900
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi KW,

    It is what is in the flesh that leads men away from God.

    Men love darkness and flee the light

    #799901
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    I merely claimed humanity did not sin until Eve ate of the fruit. Do you disagree with that statement?

    #799902
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    I agree, the lusts and desires of human nature lead us away from God.

    #799906
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi KW,

    Was this lustful human nature given to Adam?

    Creation was very good.

     

    Lusts are of the evil one

    #799907
    NickHassan
    Participant

    hi KW,

    Yes I disagree.

    Rebellion, disrespect of God and the decision to disobey preceded the eating of the fruit of the tree.

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