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Nick,
Can you refute that THE PERSON Jesus said HE had glory with his God before the world began?
Nope.
So instead of even TRYING to scripturally refute my claim, you will opt instead to post more drivel.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 02 2012,12:48) Quote (kerwin @ April 01 2012,19:39) Nick, We know Jesus is not a lesser god………….
You WOULD know that, were you to actually put the words of scripture over your own words, Kerwin.The FACT is that Jesus is a god. Can you argue this fact? Only if you want to argue with scriptures (which you quite often do).
And the FACT is that Jesus is not a GREATER god than his own God, or an EQUAL god to his own God, and so he has no choice but to be a lesser god than his own God.
Hi Mike,How is Jesus 'a god'?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeboll64 @ April 02 2012,12:50) Nick, Can you refute that THE PERSON Jesus said HE had glory with his God before the world began?
Nope.
So instead of even TRYING to scripturally refute my claim, you will opt instead to post more drivel.
Hi MB,
Yes the VESSEL was used to say that.
Jn 7.16-18Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 02 2012,12:55) Quote (Ed J @ April 02 2012,12:51) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 02 2012,12:48)
The FACT is that Jesus is a god.
How is Jesus 'a god'?
Read your Bible, Ed.
Hi Mike,I have, from cover to cover, and it says no such thing? …How do you account for such a dependency?
If you can please show how you came up with this idea?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Nick Hassan @ April 02 2012,19:59) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 02 2012,12:50) Nick, Can you refute that THE PERSON Jesus said HE had glory with his God before the world began?
Nope.
So instead of even TRYING to scripturally refute my claim, you will opt instead to post more drivel.
Hi MB,
Yes the VESSEL was used to say that.
Jn 7.16-18
NJesus said many things ,but you do not believe him so does it matter to you what is written
Quote (Ed J @ April 02 2012,20:07) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 02 2012,12:55) Quote (Ed J @ April 02 2012,12:51) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 02 2012,12:48)
The FACT is that Jesus is a god.
How is Jesus 'a god'?
Read your Bible, Ed.
Hi Mike,I have, from cover to cover, and it says no such thing? …How do you account for such a dependency?
If you can please show how you came up with this idea?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edjwen you have a question for scriptures ,you read scriptures until you have the answer ,in this way you would have show be worthy so the spirit of Christ will show you the answer ,
but do it with a pure heart ,or it would not work,
Hi Pierre,
Do you believe as Mike does? …that Jesus is(?) 'a god'?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeboll64 @ April 02 2012,07:48) Quote (kerwin @ April 01 2012,19:39) Nick, We know Jesus is not a lesser god………….
You WOULD know that, were you to actually put the words of scripture over your own words, Kerwin.The FACT is that Jesus is a god. Can you argue this fact? Only if you want to argue with scriptures (which you quite often do).
And the FACT is that Jesus is not a GREATER god than his own God, or an EQUAL god to his own God, and so he has no choice but to be a lesser god than his own God.
Mike,I argue that Jesus is not an angel; one of those which you choose to call gods.
Hebrews 2:5
New American Standard Bible (NASB)5 For He did not subject to angels [a]the world to come, concerning which we are speaking.
Footnotes:Hebrews 2:5 Lit the inhabited earth
Jesus is the human by which the Spirit of God come and dwell in God's people.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 02 2012,07:44) Quote (kerwin @ April 01 2012,19:35) Jude is speaking of giving glory, majesty, dominion and authority to God through Jesus in the past, present, and future. Your stumbling block is you do not see how Jude can give anything through Jesus before Jesus was created. I have no such problem as I understand how Jesus can have glory with God before he was created. God foreknew Jesus and prepared his position beforehand.
Kerwin,You only pretend that you “understand” that nonsense. Jesus didn't ask God to give him the glory GOD FOREKNEW HE WOULD SOMEDAY HAVE, Kerwin.
If the PERSON Jesus said he had glory with God before the world began, then the PERSON Jesus had glory with God before the world began.
Once again, you try to change the very words your Lord spoke and replace them with your own words that fit better into your flawed doctrine. Yet you say you love, serve and believe your Lord?
Mike,All those words state is that the Anointed had glory with God. They do not say the Messiah was there. They only state his glory was.
You are reading into them that the Messiah was there as it is not written.
Jesus asked to be given the glory which infers he did not have it yet. Since he did not have it; it was still with Yahweh.
Hi MB
You say
“If the PERSON Jesus said he had glory with God before the world began, then the PERSON Jesus had glory with God before the world began.”Moving towards the catholic three PERSONS in God idea?
PERSON is an addition by theologians
Quote (Ed J @ April 02 2012,20:35) Hi Pierre, Do you believe as Mike does? …that Jesus is(?) 'a god'?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edjYes i do ,even Moses was a god
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 02 2012,20:36) Hi T,
Do you believe jn7 16-18?
NJn 7:16 Jesus answered, “My teaching is not my own. It comes from him who sent me.
Jn 7:17 If anyone chooses to do God’s will, he will find out whether my teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own.
Jn 7:18 He who speaks on his own does so to gain honor for himself, but he who works for the honor of the one who sent him is a man of truth; there is nothing false about him.
Jn 7:19 Has not Moses given you the law? Yet not one of you keeps the law. Why are you trying to kill me?”yes i do , BUT DO YOU
NOW DO NOT LIEQuote (terraricca @ April 02 2012,14:14) Quote (Ed J @ April 02 2012,20:35) Hi Pierre, Do you believe as Mike does? …that Jesus is(?) 'a god'?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edjYes i do ,even Moses was a god
PIERRE, NOT to me!“And the LORD said unto Moses,
See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh” (Ex 7:1)Are you Pharaoh?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 02 2012,21:24) Hi T,
So you understand that what Jesus said was from God?
NJesus came down from heaven he said that do you believe him
Quote (Ed J @ April 02 2012,22:11) Quote (terraricca @ April 02 2012,14:14) Quote (Ed J @ April 02 2012,20:35) Hi Pierre, Do you believe as Mike does? …that Jesus is(?) 'a god'?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edjYes i do ,even Moses was a god
PIERRE, NOT to me!“And the LORD said unto Moses,
See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh” (Ex 7:1)Are you Pharaoh?
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