When Jesus became the Anointed of God

[terraricca]

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Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 31 2012,13:55) Quote (kerwin @ April 01 2012,01:06) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 31 2012,10:13) K What is paradise ? Pierre, 1 a : the garden where according to the account in Genesis Adam and Eve first lived b : an intermediate place or state where the souls of the righteous await resurrection and the final judgment c: A place like those Note: merriam-webster.com is my source though I formatted it for better answering the question. Luke 23:43 King James Version (KJV) 43And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise. Revelation 2:7 King James Version (KJV) 7He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God. 2 Corinthians 12 King James Version (KJV) 1It is not expedient for me doubtless to glory. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord. 2I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven. 3And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) 4How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter. K so it look like no one knows ,just speculate right ?? Pierre, Where is the Eden? Is it on Earth? Is it in Heaven?

Kerwin

so now you try to explain that Eden is the word that Christ and Paul used ?

[kerwin]

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Quote (kerwin @ April 01 2012,17:25) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 31 2012,13:55) Quote (kerwin @ April 01 2012,01:06) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 31 2012,10:13) K What is paradise ? Pierre, 1 a : the garden where according to the account in Genesis Adam and Eve first lived b : an intermediate place or state where the souls of the righteous await resurrection and the final judgment c: A place like those Note: merriam-webster.com is my source though I formatted it for better answering the question. Luke 23:43 King James Version (KJV) 43And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise. Revelation 2:7 King James Version (KJV) 7He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God. 2 Corinthians 12 King James Version (KJV) 1It is not expedient for me doubtless to glory. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord. 2I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven. 3And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) 4How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter. K so it look like no one knows ,just speculate right ?? Pierre, Where is the Eden? Is it on Earth? Is it in Heaven? Kerwin so now you try to explain that Eden is the word that Christ and Paul used ?

Pierre,

Eden is not a Greek Word.

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The shift from the secular to the religious sense appears more largely in the Greek Bible (LXX). “Paradeisos” is used there more than thirty times, especially in Genesis, where it means God's garden or Eden. The tendency to idealize grows in the apocryphal and pseudepigraphical writings (Dictionary of the Bible, Revised Edition, by Hastings, article “paradise”).

here is my source.

[terraricca]

Quote (kerwin @ April 01 2012,18:57)

Quote (terraricca @ April 01 2012,06:16) Quote (kerwin @ April 01 2012,17:25) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 31 2012,13:55) Quote (kerwin @ April 01 2012,01:06) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 31 2012,10:13) K What is paradise ? Pierre, 1 a : the garden where according to the account in Genesis Adam and Eve first lived b : an intermediate place or state where the souls of the righteous await resurrection and the final judgment c: A place like those Note: merriam-webster.com is my source though I formatted it for better answering the question. Luke 23:43 King James Version (KJV) 43And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise. Revelation 2:7 King James Version (KJV) 7He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God. 2 Corinthians 12 King James Version (KJV) 1It is not expedient for me doubtless to glory. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord. 2I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven. 3And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) 4How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter. K so it look like no one knows ,just speculate right ?? Pierre, Where is the Eden? Is it on Earth? Is it in Heaven? Kerwin so now you try to explain that Eden is the word that Christ and Paul used ? Pierre, Eden is not a Greek Word. Quote The shift from the secular to the religious sense appears more largely in the Greek Bible (LXX). “Paradeisos” is used there more than thirty times, especially in Genesis, where it means God's garden or Eden. The tendency to idealize grows in the apocryphal and pseudepigraphical writings (Dictionary of the Bible, Revised Edition, by Hastings, article “paradise”). here is my source.

Kerwin

what I try to tell you is that paradise could be anything but for sure it is a favor place to those in God ,

just as the garden of Eden was because after sin man was separated from God and no longer in his favor,and thrown out of the garden of Eden ,

[NickHassan]

Hi,
So Jesus of Nazareth was anointed.[acts 10.38]
Any more questions?

[terraricca]

[kerwin]

Quote (terraricca @ April 01 2012,07:10)

Quote (kerwin @ April 01 2012,18:57) Quote (terraricca @ April 01 2012,06:16) Quote (kerwin @ April 01 2012,17:25) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 31 2012,13:55) Quote (kerwin @ April 01 2012,01:06) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 31 2012,10:13) K What is paradise ? Pierre, 1 a : the garden where according to the account in Genesis Adam and Eve first lived b : an intermediate place or state where the souls of the righteous await resurrection and the final judgment c: A place like those Note: merriam-webster.com is my source though I formatted it for better answering the question. Luke 23:43 King James Version (KJV) 43And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise. Revelation 2:7 King James Version (KJV) 7He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God. 2 Corinthians 12 King James Version (KJV) 1It is not expedient for me doubtless to glory. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord. 2I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven. 3And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) 4How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter. K so it look like no one knows ,just speculate right ?? Pierre, Where is the Eden? Is it on Earth? Is it in Heaven? Kerwin so now you try to explain that Eden is the word that Christ and Paul used ? Pierre, Eden is not a Greek Word. Quote The shift from the secular to the religious sense appears more largely in the Greek Bible (LXX). “Paradeisos” is used there more than thirty times, especially in Genesis, where it means God's garden or Eden. The tendency to idealize grows in the apocryphal and pseudepigraphical writings (Dictionary of the Bible, Revised Edition, by Hastings, article “paradise”). here is my source. Kerwin what I try to tell you is that paradise could be anything but for sure it is a favor place to those in God , just as the garden of Eden was because after sin man was separated from God and no longer in his favor,and thrown out of the garden of Eden ,

Pierre,

I understand your point but Revelation 2:7 establishes the original Garden of Eden still exist with the tree of life in it.  I asked you whether it is in heaven or on earth at the present time.  I pointed out the 2 other mentions of a paradise in the New Testament.  

For reasons I do not know there is no online Lexicon/Thesaurus for the LXX.

[kerwin]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 01 2012,12:22)

Hi, So Jesus of Nazareth was anointed.[acts 10.38] Any more questions?

Nick,

That is a good passage but how does it support your case that Jesus was Anointed when the Spirit saddled on him?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 31 2012,17:41)

These experts chose a different sentence structure than those of Mike's chosen translation. This does not support his interpretation ………………..

How so, Kerwin?

[NickHassan]

Hi KW,
Saddled on??
Dwelt within.

He was Jesus from Nazareth WHEN it happened

[mikeboll64]

Nick,

Both Saul and David were already anointed by God when the Holy Spirit came upon them.

Why must you insist it was different in the case of Jesus of Nazareth, the Son and Christ of God? Why do you insist upon an understanding that is clearly refuted by the scriptures themselves?

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
You mean anointed as kings[both] and by the Spirit[David]?

I do not think Jesus was a lesser god nor do I think he was anointed twice.

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
Where does scripture CLEARLY say the Nazarene was anointed twice?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 01 2012,14:31)

Hi MB, Where does scripture CLEARLY say the Nazarene was anointed twice?

Well, the angel in Luke 2 CLEARLY says Jesus was BORN the anointed one of God.  That would take care of one of the anointings.

And Acts 10 CLEARLY says he was anointed with Holy Spirit at the Jordan, so that would take care of a second anointing.

(Also, both Saul AND David were anointed BEFORE being anointed with Holy Spirit.)

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
Your lack of spiritual understanding condemns you to face value 'Knowledge”

[mikeboll64]

OHHHH!  That hurts me SOOOOO much, Nick!      

If a man who doesn't believe the scriptures tells me MY understanding is flawed, I'll take it as a compliment every time.  So thanks.

Nick, you need to be like John and know the meaning of the WORD.

[kerwin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 01 2012,20:39)

Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 31 2012,17:41) These experts chose a different sentence structure than those of Mike's chosen translation.   This does not support his interpretation ……………….. How so, Kerwin?

Mike,

Jude 1
New American Standard Bible (NASB)

24 Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling, and to make you stand in the presence of His glory blameless with great joy, 25 to the only God our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion and authority, before all time and now and forever. Amen.

Jude is speaking of giving glory, majesty, dominion and authority to God through Jesus in the past, present, and future.  Your stumbling block is you do not see how Jude can give anything through Jesus before Jesus was created.  I have no such problem as I understand how Jesus can have glory with God before he was created.  God foreknew Jesus and prepared his position beforehand.

Note: I believe that the translators err in believing the ‘’be” is inferred since it does not make sense that Jude is either giving or asking his readers to give “glory, majesty, dominion and authority to God”.

[kerwin]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 02 2012,02:30)

Hi MB, You mean anointed as kings[both] and by the Spirit[David]? I do not think Jesus was a lesser god nor do I think he was anointed twice.

Nick,

We know Jesus is not a lesser god,which is no God at all, as Scripture declares the World to come will not be subject to angels.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (kerwin @ April 01 2012,19:35)

Jude is speaking of giving glory, majesty, dominion and authority to God through Jesus in the past, present, and future.  Your stumbling block is you do not see how Jude can give anything through Jesus before Jesus was created.  I have no such problem as I understand how Jesus can have glory with God before he was created.  God foreknew Jesus and prepared his position beforehand.

Kerwin,

You only pretend that you “understand” that nonsense. Jesus didn't ask God to give him the glory GOD FOREKNEW HE WOULD SOMEDAY HAVE, Kerwin.

If the PERSON Jesus said he had glory with God before the world began, then the PERSON Jesus had glory with God before the world began.

Once again, you try to change the very words your Lord spoke and replace them with your own words that fit better into your flawed doctrine.  Yet you say you love, serve and believe your Lord?  

[NickHassan]

Hi MB
You say
“If the PERSON Jesus said he had glory with God before the world began, then the PERSON Jesus had glory with God before the world began.”

Look below the skin.
Listen with ears to hear

We no longer KNOW HIM ACCORDING TO FLESH

the Lord is the Spirit

[mikeboll64]

Quote (kerwin @ April 01 2012,19:39)

Nick, We know Jesus is not a lesser god………….

You WOULD know that, were you to actually put the words of scripture over your own words, Kerwin.

The FACT is that Jesus is a god. Can you argue this fact? Only if you want to argue with scriptures (which you quite often do).

And the FACT is that Jesus is not a GREATER god than his own God, or an EQUAL god to his own God, and so he has no choice but to be a lesser god than his own God.

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