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Hi MB,
You need to respect the anointing of God.
Do you think the anointing of Jesus OF NAZARETH at the Jordan led to his works of power?
Acts 10.38Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 25 2014,08:47) Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 24 2014,14:57) Hi MB,
You make your own meanings for anointing?
I thought you relied on scripture?
To anoint can simply mean to put oil on something. But in the Bible, the word anoint means to use oil to consecrate, set apart, or dedicate in service to our LORD, and is the outward form of the actual work of the Holy Spirit. The oil is symbolic of the presence and work of the Holy Spirit. From here.In the Bible, people were anointed by the application of special oil. Anointing was frequently used to set apart objects or people for special use. From here.
The anointing a person with oil is also a sign that God wants that person set apart. From here.
3239 Holy Spirit, anointing of
“Anoint” means to set someone apart, to authorise and equip him or her for a task of spiritual importance. Jesus Christ is set apart by the work of the Holy Spirit for his ministry of preaching, healing and deliverance. The Holy Spirit sets Christians apart for their ministry in Christ’s name. From
here.But let me ask you, what is
“the anointing”. We talk about it all the time. We desire it. We pray for it. But what is it exactly?
The most simple understanding of the anointing is to think of it as a “setting apart”. When God anoints something He sets it apart – it’s “holy” – separated for His use. From here.Strong's Lexicon says: a primitive root; to rub with oil, i.e. to anoint; by
implication, to consecrate;2 Thessalonians 2:13 NET ©
But we ought to thank God always for you, brothers and sisters loved by the Lord, because God chose you from the beginning for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and faith in the truth.Those who were baptized in Jesus' name and received the Holy Spirit were “anointed” by the Spirit, Nick. But they had already been CHOSEN (anointed) by God from the beginning. The literal anointing (pouring on of oil or Spirit) is symbolic of the actual act of being anointed (chosen and set apart as special/holy).
Yes; I agree,oil is just symbolic.
And so is water,and bread and wine.
The real thing is the Holy Spirit.As far as I know Jesus was not anointed with oil by anyone.
wakeup.
Hi MB,
Indeed anointing was used by God to establish and empower those chosen for certain works.
But the choice and the anointing were separateHi MB,
Exodus 28:41
And thou shalt put them upon Aaron thy brother, and his sons with him; and shalt anoint them, and consecrate them, and sanctify them, that they may minister unto me in the priest's office.Hi MB,
Luke 4:18
The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 25 2014,09:44) Hi MB,
Exodus 28:41
And thou shalt put them upon Aaron thy brother, and his sons with him; and shalt anoint them, and consecrate them, and sanctify them, that they may minister unto me in the priest's office.
Aaron was anointed there and then.
Jesus was not anointed with oil,but with the HS. in heaven.
He came down to earth fully anointed by the HS.
The ritual was performed at jordan,for us to see.
And to be on record.wakeup.
Hi WU,
So the dove did not come down and rest on him?
It was just playacting?God does not deceive like men do
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 25 2014,11:44) Hi WU,
So the dove did not come down and rest on him?
It was just playacting?God does not deceive like men do
Learn to decern the scriptures; not just read them.
The dove was for the record.
Proof to John; as a witness to john,and to be written on record for us.Can you only imagine;the Word of God with no Holy Spirit
for the period of thirty years?You are denying the fact that Jesus was born by the power of the Holy Spirit.
wakeup.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 24 2014,16:11) Hi MB,
Of course SET APART or CHOSEN do not mean ANOINTED
Separate issues
No………. NOT separate issues. Read the info I posted for you. The smearing on of oil is merely SYMBOLIC of the act of setting apart.Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 24 2014,16:12) Hi MB,
Make your choice of Messiahs then.
The scriptures made my choice for me, Nick. Anyone THE SCRIPTURES say was a christ is who I SAY was a christ.Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 24 2014,16:14) Hi MB,
You need to respect the anointing of God.
Do you think the anointing of Jesus OF NAZARETH at the Jordan led to his works of power?
Acts 10.38
God did the works through Jesus, Nick. Jesus was powerless on his own.Quote (Wakeup @ May 24 2014,21:25) Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 25 2014,11:44) Hi WU,
So the dove did not come down and rest on him?
It was just playacting?God does not deceive like men do
Learn to decern the scriptures; not just read them.
The dove was for the record.
Proof to John; as a witness to john,and to be written on record for us.
Agreed, Wakeup.John 12
27 “Now my soul is troubled, and what shall I say? ‘Father, save me from this hour’? No, it was for this very reason I came to this hour.28 Father, glorify your name!” Then a voice came from heaven, “I have glorified it, and will glorify it again.”
29 The crowd that was there and heard it said it had thundered; others said an angel had spoken to him.
30 Jesus said, “This voice was for your benefit, not mine.”
Hi MB,
Yes the anointing of God's Spirit at the jordan transformed the carpenter to become as God on earth.The pouring on of the Spirit was the symbolic action – intended to be seen my man, and told to others by man.
The anointing (setting apart as holy) happened way before that time. (John 10:36)
Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 25 2014,08:09) Quote (gadam123 @ May 24 2014,00:48) The birth narratives of Jesus never speak about his anointing…….
Adam, any scripture that speaks about the CHRIST being born is speaking about God's ANOINTED ONE being born.Those scriptures never speak about the one WHO WILL SOMEDAY BE THE CHRIST being born.
He was the Christ (anointed one) before he was ever born on this earth.
So you are in error, because those scriptures DO INDEED speak about Jesus as God's anointed one – long BEFORE his baptism.
Quote (gadam123 @ May 24 2014,00:48) I don't see anything past or before creation of these things except in Epistles and John where his pre-existence mentioned indirectly which is being debated here in this forum.
It is not only John and Paul who speak about the pre-existence of Christ…….. but this is not the thread for it.
Hello brother Mike,
I appreciate your response to my post to Terrarica. The scriptures do mention about coming Messiah but they all point towards a future event when Messiah has to be anointed by God refer even angelic announcements they too point towards future when the child will be God's son and Messiah. I have already revived the debate on 'pre-existence' for your benefit too.
Love to you….AdamQuote (gadam123 @ May 24 2014,12:51) Quote (terraricca @ May 24 2014,02:41) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 23 2014,19:19) Terricca……..So you just through out what Adam quoted right?, tell us why would Jesus even be baptized and the spirit descend and remain on him then if he already had the spirit, so to you the apostle Paul was just lying right ? Adam is absolute right in what he stated and directly quoted. IMO
Peace and love …………………..gene
gJn 1:25 questioned him, “Why then do you baptize if you are not the Christ, nor Elijah, nor the Prophet?”
Jn 1:26 “I baptize with water,” John replied, “but among you stands one you do not know.
Jn 1:27 He is the one who comes after me, the thongs of whose sandals I am not worthy to untie.”
Jn 1:28 This all happened at Bethany on the other side of the Jordan, where John was baptizing.Jn 1:33 I would not have known him, except that the one who sent me to baptize with water told me, ‘The man on whom you see the Spirit come down and remain is he who will baptize with the Holy Spirit.’
Jn 1:34 I have seen and I testify that this is the Son of God.”pay attention to verse 33
All these verses talk about the activities of Jesus at his Baptism and again future events.
gADAM123Jn 1:30 This is the one I meant when I said, ‘A man who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.’
MY COMMENT WAS GIVEN TO Gene ,so you have to read Gene's comment prior to my respond ;
but the verse i quoted at the start show John the baptist that jesus was existing prior to his own existence and we all know that John was six month older that Jesus (in the womb of a women )
now the following scriptures testify about Christ in the prophets ;this is part of the “spirit of Christ ” to be understood in reality ;
Lk 4:14 Jesus returned to Galilee in the power of the Spirit, and news about him spread through the whole countryside.
Lk 4:15 He taught in their synagogues, and everyone praised him.
Lk 4:16 He went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom. And he stood up to read.
Lk 4:17 The scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him. Unrolling it, he found the place where it is written:
Lk 4:18 “The Spirit of the Lord is on me,
because he has anointed me
to preach good news to the poor.
He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners
and recovery of sight for the blind,
to release the oppressed,
Lk 4:19 to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.”
Lk 4:20 Then he rolled up the scroll, gave it back to the attendant and sat down. The eyes of everyone in the synagogue were fastened on him,
Lk 4:21 and he began by saying to them,“Today this scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.”
understand this
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 25 2014,09:57) Hi MB,
Yes the anointing of God's Spirit at the jordan transformed the carpenter to become as God on earth.
Nickwhat you say is a false teaching ;you have no scriptures for this believe of yours
Hi T,
God was in Him
Jesus Christ acted and spoke according to instructions from his father.The people said
“God has visited His people”Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 25 2014,22:26) Hi T,
God was in Him
Jesus Christ acted and spoke according to instructions from his father.The people said
“God has visited His people”
NickChrist is not a box ,no one is in him ,mean in his person,
but WITH HIM” GOD WAS WITH CHRIST ,AND CHRIST WALKED WITH HIS FATHER BY DOING WHAT HE WANT HIM TO DO ,
AND SO CHRIST TALKS ABOUT THE GLORY OF HIS FATHER SHOWING THE TRUTH FROM THE SCRIPTURES ,
NOT HIS OWN TRUTH ,LIKE MOST DO HERE YOU INCLUDED ,
WHEN THE AMBASSADOR GOES TO A COUNTRY HE REPRESENT HIS KING AND SO IT IS WITH CHRIST ;
The people said
“God has visited His people”
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