When did satan fall from heaven?

[Ed J]

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 04 2010,16:09)

hi 94 read there are two stories here one in EZE;28;2 and EZE28;12 this one is a lament or a metaphor

Hi T

Check out this about “Lucifer” starting at second Post from Bottom…
https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….;st=230

And this one: Me talking with BD…
https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….y212600

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[terraricca]

hi EDj
this is your interpretation ,not the scriptures ,even you make it sound like it is the scriptures that it support your way ot thinking. sorry no sale.

[karmarie]

Boastings not good EdJ, do you enjoy what your doing, putting words into a persons mouth that they didnt say, calling them satan, I dont quite get what your doing or what you claim to be, what do you claim to be? Or what do you teach and believe?

[Ed J]

Quote (karmarie @ Jan. 05 2010,09:06)

1)Boastings not good EdJ, 2) do you enjoy what your doing, 3) putting words into a persons mouth that they didnt say, calling them satan, 4) I dont quite get what your doing or what you claim to be, what do you claim to be? 5) Or what do you teach and believe?

Hi karmarie,

1) What boasting?

2) YES; what I do is help to establish “Truth”! (Matt.18:16)

3) Putting words into who's mouth? Calling who satan?
   
4) Please explain what you mean by…
    'or what you claim to be'?    and     'what do you claim to be'?

5) I have been explaining what I believe;
    and what I teach is “Bible Truth”=117! (John 4:24 / John 8:32)

Witnessing to the world in behalf of…
117=יהוה האלהים YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm (JEHOVAH GOD)! (Psalm 45:17)
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:14)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 05 2010,05:46)

hi EDj this is your interpretation ,not the scriptures ,even you make it sound like it is the scriptures that it support your way ot thinking. sorry no sale.

Ht Terraricca,

Please explain what you don't agree with?
   The 'No sale'?

Ed J

[banana]

Jesus called Peter Satan, do you know that? Satan was inside of Peter at that time and that is why Jesus called Him Satan. We too sometimes let Satan enter ouir minds, and don't even know that we do that. He is very cunning. So watch out for that being………..
Irene

[terraricca]

hi EDJ
you have send me to see your quotes remember,you even give me a short cut i look at it and report back to you about it ,did i do anything wrong??

[terraricca]

hi irene
Peter ad not Satan in him i don't understand were you got this ,what Christ was pointing out is that what Peter was saying was the reasoning of Satan ,because after Jesus explaining to his apostles that the Son of man (himself) had to died to fulfill God will as it was written in the book of the prophets,but Peter let his feelings take over not the spirit of Christ this is why he said what he did and what he said was against the will of God, but not against the will of Satan because anything against God s will is a go for Satan.

[GeneBalthrop]

To all…….the Spirit (intellect) (IN) Peter was that of carnal man , which is contrary to the Spirit of GOD. “for the carnal mind is contrary to Gods Laws it is not subject to it, neither indeed can Be, that is the Spirit of the adversary or SATAN that is in all Men with Carnal natures, Peter was not Yet converted when He acted that way, He was still and adversary of GOD. Jesus had to keep praying for Him not to be controlled by His carnal nature, it would have sifted him like wheat flour.

[GeneBalthrop]

Ed j……..What is this thing with all the numbers , what are you trying to tell us Brother. I personally don't get what you are saying.

peace and love……………gene

[karmarie]

Hi EdJ

I was meaning how you seemed to call Bod satan, then claimed he tried to say he was Jesus which I never saw he did, then by boasting i meant how you went into the believers place and posted a link to the conversation between you and Bod,

And by asking who you claim to be, I mean from what iv been reading do you claim to be a prophet? And as I am sick of reading so much these days, in a summary, what do you actually teach and believe

I care about Bod too,

[Ed J]

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 05 2010,11:42)

hi EDJ you have send me to see your quotes remember,you even give me a short cut i look at it and report back to you about it ,did i do anything wrong??

Hi Terraricca,

I can't answer that question; I ain't qualified to Judge? (James 5:9)

You chose to not to report, only to respond; they are different?
Reports offer information, while responses can be emptiness.
I will repeat my question in hopes we can resolve any differences?
Could you please explain what you don't agree with?
  What you have labeled… 'sorry no sale'?

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (Gene @ Jan. 05 2010,12:56)

Ed j……..What is this thing with all the numbers , what are you trying to tell us Brother. I personally don't get what you are saying. peace and love……………gene

Hi Gene,

Could you please be more specific?  

God bless
Ed J

[Jodi Lee]

Quote (banana @ Jan. 05 2010,11:07)

Jesus called Peter Satan, do you know that?  Satan was inside of Peter at  that time and that is why Jesus called Him Satan.  We too sometimes let Satan enter ouir minds, and don't even know that we do that.  He is very cunning.  So watch out for that being……….. Irene

So you are telling us that we should FEAR this “Satan being” because he has the supernatural powers to influence us and inflict us?

IMO doing such is worshiping a false god. When you give YHVH's powers over to another creature and FEAR that creature, that is equal to the FALSE worship YHVH warned us about in the OT.

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Matthew 16:23 But He turned and said to Peter, “Get behind Me, Satan! You are an offense to Me, for you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men.”

So Irene, you believe that it takes a fallen angel to make us think like men? Huh?

Do fallen angels cause us to have a sinful nature? The following says that the LAW arouses our sinful nature.

Ro 7:5 For when we were controlled by the sinful nature, the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in our bodies, so that we bore fruit for death.

Romans 7:8 But sin, taking opportunity by the commandment, produced in me all manner of evil desire. For apart from the law sin was dead.

Ro 8:8 Those controlled by the sinful nature cannot please God.

Ro 8:9 You, however, are controlled not by the sinful nature but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ.

Ro 8:13 For if you live according to the sinful nature, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live,

Can't you see Irene that it is our own sinful nature that is our adversary? Peter had in mind the things of men because he was following after his own sinful nature NOT because he was following influences of an invisible monster.

Proverbs 3:5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding;

Proverbs 14:14 The backslider in heart will be filled with his own ways, But a good man will be satisfied from above.

Proverbs 18:2 A fool has no delight in understanding, But in expressing his own heart.

Proverbs 28:26 He who trusts in his own heart is a fool, But whoever walks wisely will be delivered.

Jeremiah 16:12 And you have done worse than your fathers, for behold, each one follows the dictates of his own evil heart, so that no one listens to Me.

Jeremiah 18:12 And they said, “That is hopeless! So we will walk according to our own plans, and we will every one obey the dictates of his evil heart.”

There is NOT one scripture that warns us to not follow after fallen angels that like to possess our minds and influence our thoughts. However there are many more scriptures then what is listed above, that directly tell us that our sins come from our OWN understanding.

[terraricca]

hi EDJ

this is one ;or is no clear;Col.2:9 For in him(Jesus) dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
When Jesus died, ‘Satan’ was extracted from the GODHEAD!
These things happened Jesus after he was dead. He was thrust through with a spear, and cast from the grave.
But “GOD The Father” raised “Jesus”=74 back to life; once 'Lucifer'=74 had been successfully extracted from the GODHEAD! (Gal.1:1)

When Jesus died, that is WHEN 'Satan' was extracted from the GODHEAD.
Satan destroyed the land, Jesus took him(Satan) down with his(Jesus' decease);
Knowing GOD The Father would raise Him(Jesus) up.

Those things only happened to Jesus dead body; NOT to Jesus!
Understand that was how 'Satan' was extracted from the GODHEAD.

Jesus came to Earth to extract ‘Satan’ from God’s presents.
John 17:12 While I(Jesus) was with them in the world, I kept them in thy(YHVH) name:
those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition(Satan);
that the scripture might be fulfilled.
Col.2:9 For in him(Jesus) dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily

Jesus death on the cross was to make a separation between GOD and 'Satan' in himself.
Though might seem odd, because It has never been presented this way before; yet all the pieces fit in this manner.

After Jesus said “it is finished” he died.
Then while the body lay dead on the cross, He was thrust through with a spear,
and because He was resurrected, his body was (in essence) cast from the grave.
Jesus is also called “The Branch” in Zech 3:8.

i think this is enough i do understand what you are saying but i don 't see that.

[Jodi Lee]

So when people believe that angels fell from heaven, WHAT 'heaven' are they referring to?

Certainly they could not be speaking of YHVH's righteous abode, the 'heaven' that earth is to become like, with the promise of no sin, suffering or war.

Jesus was brought forth into the kingdom of YHVH after he had been Perfected, learning obedience through what he suffered. Certainly people don't believe that the 'heaven' that the angels fell from was was the same kingdom that Jesus entered into with eternal life.

[Ed J]

Quote (karmarie @ Jan. 05 2010,13:08)

Hi EdJ 1) I was meaning how you seemed to call Bod satan, 2) then claimed he tried to say he was Jesus which I never saw he did, 3) then by boasting i meant how you went into the believers place and posted a link to the conversation between you and Bod, 4) And by asking who you claim to be, I mean from what iv been reading do you claim to be a prophet? 5) what do you actually teach and believe 6) I care about Bod too,

Hi karmarie,

1) Correction: I said BD was worshiping satan.

2)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 09 2009,10:26)

How about “I Jesus“=83 I told you playing this game with me you will either understand how you should be honest or embarass yourself making up things that come back to bite you

3) When does posting a link constitute boasting?

4) Witness.

5) Could you be more specific?

6) Excellent: We should all love each other. (1 John 3:10)

Gob bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[karmarie]

Quote (banana @ Jan. 05 2010,11:07)

Jesus called Peter Satan, do you know that?  Satan was inside of Peter at  that time and that is why Jesus called Him Satan.  We too sometimes let Satan enter ouir minds, and don't even know that we do that.  He is very cunning.  So watch out for that being……….. Irene

I do get that…I think weve all been there

[karmarie]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 05 2010,17:42)

Quote (karmarie @ Jan. 05 2010,13:08) Hi EdJ 1) I was meaning how you seemed to call Bod satan, 2) then claimed he tried to say he was Jesus which I never saw he did, 3) then by boasting i meant how you went into the believers place and posted a link to the conversation between you and Bod, 4) And by asking who you claim to be, I mean from what iv been reading do you claim to be a prophet? 5) what do you actually teach and believe 6) I care about Bod too, Hi karmarie, 1) Correction: I said BD was worshiping satan. 2) Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 09 2009,10:26) How about “I Jesus“=83 I told you playing this game with me you will either understand how you should be honest or embarass yourself making up things that come back to bite you 3) When does posting a link constitute boasting? 4) Witness. 5) Could you be more specific? 6) Excellent: We should all love each other. (1 John 3:10) Gob bless Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

5) As in, do you have a free ebook or something I think I read somewhere you do? (I hope its not too long!)

[Ed J]

Quote (karmarie @ Jan. 05 2010,19:41)

Do you have a free ebook or something I think I read somewhere you do? (I hope its not too long!)

Hi karmarie,

Do you have your own e-mail address?
I assume you do, a necessary step to get on this forum.

E-mail me and I will e-mail it back to you in PDF form;
My e-mail address is the same as my web site [@yahoo.com]
or you can request it from the site as well; OK?
The instant download has been disabled.

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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