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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 01 2010,10:25) Quote (davidbfun @ Sep. 01 2010,05:35) v26:
God (Elohim) SAID = who is speaking? Elohim, not YHWH or Spirit.
Let US = how many “people”? Minimum two.
make Man in our image AND our likeness = God's purpose in creating Man
Hi David,I don't know how you came to the conclusions you have from any scripture.
First, “Elohim”, “YHVH”, and “the holy spirit” are all the same person here. Why do you separate them? Listen:
“The President of the USA”, “Barack Obama”, “the spirit of Barack Obama”.
There are not 3 different persons listed here, are there? “Elohim” is the title of the One who created everything. “YHVH” is this Creator's personal name. And the holy spirit is a part of this Creator, not a separate entity.
Do you understand this?
mike
Hi Mike,Hebrew doesn't have any neutral gender words; thank God!
I was waiting to see if anyone would be swayed by David,
glad to see you have reasoned it out correctly!
Here are the associated Bible verses…Eph.4:4-6 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord,
one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who
is above all, and through all, and in you all.Rom.8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised
up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.Gal.1:1 Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man,
but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead😉1John 4:13 Hereby know we that we dwell in him,
and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.Your Brother
in Christ, Jesus
Ed JQuote (davidbfun @ Aug. 31 2010,15:05) Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 01 2010,14:14) Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 31 2010,12:58) Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 31 2010,23:04) Our spirit can be grieved, ruled over, troubled, etc. That doesn't mean that our spirit is a separate person or a female essence.
Kathi,Are you not comprised of spirit and body? When you die will your body go to heaven to be judged?
Why does Paul say that the spirit is willing but the flesh is weak? Are two entities not battling within the one body? I think your church fathers would call them soul and spirit?
1Cr 2:11(a) For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him?
Gen 2:21 So the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon the man, and he slept; then He took one of his ribs and closed up the flesh at that place.
Gen 2:22 The LORD God fashioned into a woman the rib which He had taken FROM the man, and brought her to the man.
Amazing, from a “Man” came the first “Woman”. Who said that we don't have the two essences within us? Or is this just figurative?
David,
You mentioned the phrase, “The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak,” that would be two natures, not two personsI see the person as having three parts, body, soul and spirit. The spirit is just a part of the one person. I believe that is the same way with the Father, His Spirit is just a part of the one person of the Father which has the unique and supernatural ability to extend from Him while remaining unseparated from Him.
The Holy Spirit and the Father are not two persons of one deity. The Holy Spirit is part of the one true God…the Father.
In other words, just because it grieves and knows the thoughts, does not make it a person. It/He knows the thoughts of God and so does our spirit within us know the thoughts of each of us. My spirit knows my thoughts, I can't keep my thoughts hidden from the spirit part of me. Not because my spirit is another person besides me but because it is a part of me.
When I die, my body will become a heavenly body and I believe that I will be body, soul, and spirit again. The spirit is part of me.
Kathi,I didn't say they were two persons. Body (temporal) and spirit (eternal) are two “essences” within the ONE person. Which I think would be your two “natures”. Since each person has a “heart” that would correspond to your “soul”. Or as you would say, each person consists of body, soul and spirit, no?
Knowing and feeling is an action of a satient being. I only showed a few Scriptures showing that the Holy Spirit is a satient being….and not a “tool” of YHWH. However, you've discarded the Holy Spirit as a function or by-product of YHWH the Father. So, it wouldn't really matter how many dozens of Scriptures I could show you because the results would be the same; they belong to YHWH not to Spirit, according to you.
Gen 1:1 is where Elohim created the heavens and earth. Elohim is translated as “God. However, it would be best left untranslated to show Elohim as the entity with the two essences; YHWH and Spirit.
Gen 1:2 is the first time that Ruwach Elohim (Spirit God) is mentioned in the Bible and is a separate “person” from YHWH Elohim that is mentioned in Gen 2:4.
As Kerwin's study pointed out, Ruwach Elohim (Spirit God) is not Elohim but a part of Elohim.
And consequently, YHWH Elohim is not Elohim but a part of Elohim.
Professor,
You have stated that the Holy Spirit is a goddess and has had intercourse with the Father which produced the Son. Didn't you?Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 01 2010,10:39) Hi Mike, Hebrew doesn't have any neutral gender words; thank God!
I was waiting to see if anyone would be swayed by David,
glad to see you have reasoned it out correctly!
Here are the associated Bible verses…Rom.8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised
up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
Hi Ed,Great scriptures! The Romans one says it quite clearly, doesn't it?
If the spirit OF HIM that rasied Jesus dwells in us, then HE HIMSELF that raised Jesus will give life to our mortal bodies THROUGH HIS SPIRIT.
peace and love,
mikeQuote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 01 2010,04:25) Quote (davidbfun @ Sep. 01 2010,05:35) v26:
God (Elohim) SAID = who is speaking? Elohim, not YHWH or Spirit.
Let US = how many “people”? Minimum two.
make Man in our image AND our likeness = God's purpose in creating Man
Hi David,I don't know how you came to the conclusions you have from any scripture.
First, “Elohim”, “YHVH”, and “the holy spirit” are all the same person here. Why do you separate them? Listen:
“The President of the USA”, “Barack Obama”, “the spirit of Barack Obama”.
There are not 3 different persons listed here, are there? “Elohim” is the title of the One who created everything. “YHVH” is this Creator's personal name. And the holy spirit is a part of this Creator, not a separate entity.
Do you understand this?
mike
Im sorry, I started bursting out laughing when i read this….oh gosh..its like you transformed into WJ and started talking abuoot the THREE in one….
not that you are just a funny obeservation…
i hope you get and can laugh with meQuote (Lightenup @ Sep. 01 2010,07:39) Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 31 2010,15:05) Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 01 2010,14:14) Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 31 2010,12:58) Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 31 2010,23:04) Our spirit can be grieved, ruled over, troubled, etc. That doesn't mean that our spirit is a separate person or a female essence.
Kathi,Are you not comprised of spirit and body? When you die will your body go to heaven to be judged?
Why does Paul say that the spirit is willing but the flesh is weak? Are two entities not battling within the one body? I think your church fathers would call them soul and spirit?
1Cr 2:11(a) For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him?
Gen 2:21 So the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon the man, and he slept; then He took one of his ribs and closed up the flesh at that place.
Gen 2:22 The LORD God fashioned into a woman the rib which He had taken FROM the man, and brought her to the man.
Amazing, from a “Man” came the first “Woman”. Who said that we don't have the two essences within us? Or is this just figurative?
David,
You mentioned the phrase, “The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak,” that would be two natures, not two personsI see the person as having three parts, body, soul and spirit. The spirit is just a part of the one person. I believe that is the same way with the Father, His Spirit is just a part of the one person of the Father which has the unique and supernatural ability to extend from Him while remaining unseparated from Him.
The Holy Spirit and the Father are not two persons of one deity. The Holy Spirit is part of the one true God…the Father.
In other words, just because it grieves and knows the thoughts, does not make it a person. It/He knows the thoughts of God and so does our spirit within us know the thoughts of each of us. My spirit knows my thoughts, I can't keep my thoughts hidden from the spirit part of me. Not because my spirit is another person besides me but because it is a part of me.
When I die, my body will become a heavenly body and I believe that I will be body, soul, and spirit again. The spirit is part of me.
Kathi,I didn't say they were two persons. Body (temporal) and spirit (eternal) are two “essences” within the ONE person. Which I think would be your two “natures”. Since each person has a “heart” that would correspond to your “soul”. Or as you would say, each person consists of body, soul and spirit, no?
Knowing and feeling is an action of a satient being. I only showed a few Scriptures showing that the Holy Spirit is a satient being….and not a “tool” of YHWH. However, you've discarded the Holy Spirit as a function or by-product of YHWH the Father. So, it wouldn't really matter how many dozens of Scriptures I could show you because the results would be the same; they belong to YHWH not to Spirit, according to you.
Gen 1:1 is where Elohim created the heavens and earth. Elohim is translated as “God. However, it would be best left untranslated to show Elohim as the entity with the two essences; YHWH and Spirit.
Gen 1:2 is the first time that Ruwach Elohim (Spirit God) is mentioned in the Bible and is a separate “person” from YHWH Elohim that is mentioned in Gen 2:4.
As Kerwin's study pointed out, Ruwach Elohim (Spirit God) is not Elohim but a part of Elohim.
And consequently, YHWH Elohim is not Elohim but a part of Elohim.
Professor,
You have stated that the Holy Spirit is a goddess and has had intercourse with the Father which produced the Son. Didn't you?
You missunderstood his ideas,
He is basicaly saying that there are two essences therefore they are part of the Total elohim, or however.But for real for real
you misunderstoodQuote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 01 2010,04:25) Quote (davidbfun @ Sep. 01 2010,05:35) v26:
God (Elohim) SAID = who is speaking? Elohim, not YHWH or Spirit.
Let US = how many “people”? Minimum two.
make Man in our image AND our likeness = God's purpose in creating Man
Hi David,I don't know how you came to the conclusions you have from any scripture.
First, “Elohim”, “YHVH”, and “the holy spirit” are all the same person here. Why do you separate them? Listen:
“The President of the USA”, “Barack Obama”, “the spirit of Barack Obama”.
There are not 3 different persons listed here, are there? “Elohim” is the title of the One who created everything. “YHVH” is this Creator's personal name. And the holy spirit is a part of this Creator, not a separate entity.
Do you understand this?
mike
He seperates them in Distinction but of coures believes all of them to be the Same God.Just like he said not two people but two essence of the same person.
Thats from what i read from him saying.
again i think you guys are misunderstanding what he is sayingQuote (SimplyForgiven @ Sep. 01 2010,14:16) He seperates them in Distinction but of coures believes all of them to be the Same God. Just like he said not two people but two essence of the same person.
Thats from what i read from him saying.
again i think you guys are misunderstanding what he is saying
This is what was said Dennison:Quote God (Elohim) SAID = who is speaking? Elohim, not YHWH or Spirit. Sounds to me like he thinks there are three here, not one.
Why do you keep putting me on wild goose chases like this Dennison? Didn't we just go through this in “Does God Procreate”? You said “Black”. I answered to “Black”. Then you said you didn't really say “Black”, but that I had just “imagined” that you meant “Black”. Then you come back and say “Yep, Black is what I meant and said all along, and I knew it was only my conjecture from the start”. That nonsense used up at least one hour of my life today, all because I asked where it said something that you claimed in scripture. And one hour and five posts later, we end up with you finally just saying, “It doesn't say it in scripture, it was only my conjecture”?
I noticed you've done it in your last post in our debate too. You say:
Quote Concering Jesus
Jesus is the one Revealing who God is not only in the gospel but in revelations as well.
You tried to steer that way because you think im trying to prove that Jesus is God which i am not. and when i say God, i mean his totality.
Jesus is not the Totality of God, but part of the Totality.
Does that even make sense to anyone but you? Jesus isn't God or a part of Him, but he IS a part of the “totality of God”.
What the crap are you talking about?
Wouldn't “God” encompass the “totality OF God”? What does it even mean to say Jesus isn't “God” but a part of the “totality of God”? 
Have you been staying up too late again, young man?
mike
Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 31 2010,21:39) Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 31 2010,15:05) Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 01 2010,14:14) Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 31 2010,12:58) Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 31 2010,23:04) Our spirit can be grieved, ruled over, troubled, etc. That doesn't mean that our spirit is a separate person or a female essence.
Kathi,Are you not comprised of spirit and body? When you die will your body go to heaven to be judged?
Why does Paul say that the spirit is willing but the flesh is weak? Are two entities not battling within the one body? I think your church fathers would call them soul and spirit?
1Cr 2:11(a) For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him?
Gen 2:21 So the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon the man, and he slept; then He took one of his ribs and closed up the flesh at that place.
Gen 2:22 The LORD God fashioned into a woman the rib which He had taken FROM the man, and brought her to the man.
Amazing, from a “Man” came the first “Woman”. Who said that we don't have the two essences within us? Or is this just figurative?
David,
You mentioned the phrase, “The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak,” that would be two natures, not two personsI see the person as having three parts, body, soul and spirit. The spirit is just a part of the one person. I believe that is the same way with the Father, His Spirit is just a part of the one person of the Father which has the unique and supernatural ability to extend from Him while remaining unseparated from Him.
The Holy Spirit and the Father are not two persons of one deity. The Holy Spirit is part of the one true God…the Father.
In other words, just because it grieves and knows the thoughts, does not make it a person. It/He knows the thoughts of God and so does our spirit within us know the thoughts of each of us. My spirit knows my thoughts, I can't keep my thoughts hidden from the spirit part of me. Not because my spirit is another person besides me but because it is a part of me.
When I die, my body will become a heavenly body and I believe that I will be body, soul, and spirit again. The spirit is part of me.
Kathi,I didn't say they were two persons. Body (temporal) and spirit (eternal) are two “essences” within the ONE person. Which I think would be your two “natures”. Since each person has a “heart” that would correspond to your “soul”. Or as you would say, each person consists of body, soul and spirit, no?
Knowing and feeling is an action of a satient being. I only showed a few Scriptures showing that the Holy Spirit is a satient being….and not a “tool” of YHWH. However, you've discarded the Holy Spirit as a function or by-product of YHWH the Father. So, it wouldn't really matter how many dozens of Scriptures I could show you because the results would be the same; they belong to YHWH not to Spirit, according to you.
Gen 1:1 is where Elohim created the heavens and earth. Elohim is translated as “God. However, it would be best left untranslated to show Elohim as the entity with the two essences; YHWH and Spirit.
Gen 1:2 is the first time that Ruwach Elohim (Spirit God) is mentioned in the Bible and is a separate “person” from YHWH Elohim that is mentioned in Gen 2:4.
As Kerwin's study pointed out, Ruwach Elohim (Spirit God) is not Elohim but a part of Elohim.
And consequently, YHWH Elohim is not Elohim but a part of Elohim.
Professor,
You have stated that the Holy Spirit is a goddess and has had intercourse with the Father which produced the Son. Didn't you?
Professor,
Here is a quote that you state the YHVH and the Holy Spirit are two separate persons:Quote It is important to be able to see the two distinct and separate persons within Elohim in order to fully understand God. If you place the Holy Spirit as a “part” of YHVH you have gotten it backwards and diminished Her existence. If you notice, the Holy Spirit is THE Power of Elohim, not YHVH. That is just one of her 7 functions and missions. She is YHVH's spirit. And going along with the thread she brought forth the son of Elohim that YHVH begat.
Having fun putting words in my mouth Mike?
i think its your amnesia kicking in.
this is what i orginally said:Quote But i believe in a Totality of God thats unknowable, thats power is so vast its impossible to know all of God. Even the Cheribums in front of his throne hides there faces and what not in the presence of God.
This is what you respondedQuote This is the only scripture you posted that said anything about faces being covered, and it doesn't say it is because they aren't allowed see God
never said that they couldnt see God,
than you sayQuote I haven't seen anything yet that would imply that angels can't see the face of God.
I never said that either. I never said that they “CANT SEE GODS FACE” I said they COVERED their faces,
and the reasoning behind this scriptural FACT was a Conjecture. The logic not the scripture.
I responded in the Procreation thread thisQuote What i simply said that they hide (cover) their faces in front of the throne where the presence of God is.
Again i explained this
than you get angry stating that you knew this all along, and told you from the start that what you stated was incorrect, but what you thought i was saying (your understanding of my logic) was correct, but nevertheless a conjecture, to the reasoning why the freakin angels are covering their faces.
You were correct in thisQuote I took that to mean that God's powerful being is so vast that even angels have to cover their faces in His presence. But incorrect in what you assumed i said earlier.
Quote Does that even make sense to anyone but you? Jesus isn't God or a part of Him, but he IS a part of the “totality of God”.
What the crap are you talking about? Wouldn't “God” encompass the “totality OF God”? What does it even mean to say Jesus isn't “God” but a part of the “totality of God”?Have you been staying up too late again, young man?
I didnt say that again. You misunderstand everything because of your age and closed mindedness. but its ok ill simply forgive you. Just because you get scared and dont understand what someone is saying doesnt mean you can get all puffed up and try to make me look like an idiot.
I said that Jesus is not God's Totality, the compelete form of God, but he is still Part of God. Jesus is God REvealed in other words. Lu has the same logic.Say what you want Mike as always and you believe everything that comes out your mouth is the last word,
I have talked with David and i know what he means,
Just because your brain cant accept any new information, doesnt mean you understand what this guy is saying.
And im telling you that your misunderstanding what David is trying to say.
David does not believe in three distinct, seperate, nor different being but a being that has essences,
same way you believe that God has a spirit, he does as well but just making a direct distinction to what it MEANS in other words DEFINING IT.Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 01 2010,09:05) Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 31 2010,21:39) Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 31 2010,15:05) Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 01 2010,14:14) Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 31 2010,12:58) Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 31 2010,23:04) Our spirit can be grieved, ruled over, troubled, etc. That doesn't mean that our spirit is a separate person or a female essence.
Kathi,Are you not comprised of spirit and body? When you die will your body go to heaven to be judged?
Why does Paul say that the spirit is willing but the flesh is weak? Are two entities not battling within the one body? I think your church fathers would call them soul and spirit?
1Cr 2:11(a) For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him?
Gen 2:21 So the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon the man, and he slept; then He took one of his ribs and closed up the flesh at that place.
Gen 2:22 The LORD God fashioned into a woman the rib which He had taken FROM the man, and brought her to the man.
Amazing, from a “Man” came the first “Woman”. Who said that we don't have the two essences within us? Or is this just figurative?
David,
You mentioned the phrase, “The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak,” that would be two natures, not two personsI see the person as having three parts, body, soul and spirit. The spirit is just a part of the one person. I believe that is the same way with the Father, His Spirit is just a part of the one person of the Father which has the unique and supernatural ability to extend from Him while remaining unseparated from Him.
The Holy Spirit and the Father are not two persons of one deity. The Holy Spirit is part of the one true God…the Father.
In other words, just because it grieves and knows the thoughts, does not make it a person. It/He knows the thoughts of God and so does our spirit within us know the thoughts of each of us. My spirit knows my thoughts, I can't keep my thoughts hidden from the spirit part of me. Not because my spirit is another person besides me but because it is a part of me.
When I die, my body will become a heavenly body and I believe that I will be body, soul, and spirit again. The spirit is part of me.
Kathi,I didn't say they were two persons. Body (temporal) and spirit (eternal) are two “essences” within the ONE person. Which I think would be your two “natures”. Since each person has a “heart” that would correspond to your “soul”. Or as you would say, each person consists of body, soul and spirit, no?
Knowing and feeling is an action of a satient being. I only showed a few Scriptures showing that the Holy Spirit is a satient being….and not a “tool” of YHWH. However, you've discarded the Holy Spirit as a function or by-product of YHWH the Father. So, it wouldn't really matter how many dozens of Scriptures I could show you because the results would be the same; they belong to YHWH not to Spirit, according to you.
Gen 1:1 is where Elohim created the heavens and earth. Elohim is translated as “God. However, it would be best left untranslated to show Elohim as the entity with the two essences; YHWH and Spirit.
Gen 1:2 is the first time that Ruwach Elohim (Spirit God) is mentioned in the Bible and is a separate “person” from YHWH Elohim that is mentioned in Gen 2:4.
As Kerwin's study pointed out, Ruwach Elohim (Spirit God) is not Elohim but a part of Elohim.
And consequently, YHWH Elohim is not Elohim but a part of Elohim.
Professor,
You have stated that the Holy Spirit is a goddess and has had intercourse with the Father which produced the Son. Didn't you?
Professor,
Here is a quote that you state the YHVH and the Holy Spirit are two separate persons:Quote It is important to be able to see the two distinct and separate persons within Elohim in order to fully understand God. If you place the Holy Spirit as a “part” of YHVH you have gotten it backwards and diminished Her existence. If you notice, the Holy Spirit is THE Power of Elohim, not YHVH. That is just one of her 7 functions and missions. She is YHVH's spirit. And going along with the thread she brought forth the son of Elohim that YHVH begat.
The way David Explained it To me Lu,
Not that i totally agree, but i do understand.
Its that He believes in a Almighty Elohim (creator)
Which is made up of YHVH and the Holy Spirit,
HE says that in hebrew the Spirit is fem. and the YHVH is masucline. they are not sexes entirely with gentials, but essences to his entire being of Elohim as functions i guess.
YHVH is part of Elohim as the other half of the Spirit.
In other words YHVH + Spirit=Elohim
Therefore Making Spirit, YHVH'Spirit would be incorrect and would be minuting the power of the spirit making instead this
YHVH>Spirit=GodDoes this help?
Here is your proof mike
David saidQuote Body (temporal) and spirit (eternal) are two “essences” within the ONE person. Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Sep. 01 2010,02:25) Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 01 2010,09:05) Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 31 2010,21:39) Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 31 2010,15:05) Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 01 2010,14:14) Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 31 2010,12:58) Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 31 2010,23:04) Our spirit can be grieved, ruled over, troubled, etc. That doesn't mean that our spirit is a separate person or a female essence.
Kathi,Are you not comprised of spirit and body? When you die will your body go to heaven to be judged?
Why does Paul say that the spirit is willing but the flesh is weak? Are two entities not battling within the one body? I think your church fathers would call them soul and spirit?
1Cr 2:11(a) For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him?
Gen 2:21 So the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon the man, and he slept; then He took one of his ribs and closed up the flesh at that place.
Gen 2:22 The LORD God fashioned into a woman the rib which He had taken FROM the man, and brought her to the man.
Amazing, from a “Man” came the first “Woman”. Who said that we don't have the two essences within us? Or is this just figurative?
David,
You mentioned the phrase, “The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak,” that would be two natures, not two personsI see the person as having three parts, body, soul and spirit. The spirit is just a part of the one person. I believe that is the same way with the Father, His Spirit is just a part of the one person of the Father which has the unique and supernatural ability to extend from Him while remaining unseparated from Him.
The Holy Spirit and the Father are not two persons of one deity. The Holy Spirit is part of the one true God…the Father.
In other words, just because it grieves and knows the thoughts, does not make it a person. It/He knows the thoughts of God and so does our spirit within us know the thoughts of each of us. My spirit knows my thoughts, I can't keep my thoughts hidden from the spirit part of me. Not because my spirit is another person besides me but because it is a part of me.
When I die, my body will become a heavenly body and I believe that I will be body, soul, and spirit again. The spirit is part of me.
Kathi,I didn't say they were two persons. Body (temporal) and spirit (eternal) are two “essences” within the ONE person. Which I think would be your two “natures”. Since each person has a “heart” that would correspond to your “soul”. Or as you would say, each person consists of body, soul and spirit, no?
Knowing and feeling is an action of a satient being. I only showed a few Scriptures showing that the Holy Spirit is a satient being….and not a “tool” of YHWH. However, you've discarded the Holy Spirit as a function or by-product of YHWH the Father. So, it wouldn't really matter how many dozens of Scriptures I could show you because the results would be the same; they belong to YHWH not to Spirit, according to you.
Gen 1:1 is where Elohim created the heavens and earth. Elohim is translated as “God. However, it would be best left untranslated to show Elohim as the entity with the two essences; YHWH and Spirit.
Gen 1:2 is the first time that Ruwach Elohim (Spirit God) is mentioned in the Bible and is a separate “person” from YHWH Elohim that is mentioned in Gen 2:4.
As Kerwin's study pointed out, Ruwach Elohim (Spirit God) is not Elohim but a part of Elohim.
And consequently, YHWH Elohim is not Elohim but a part of Elohim.
Professor,
You have stated that the Holy Spirit is a goddess and has had intercourse with the Father which produced the Son. Didn't you?
Professor,
Here is a quote that you state the YHVH and the Holy Spirit are two separate persons:Quote It is important to be able to see the two distinct and separate persons within Elohim in order to fully understand God. If you place the Holy Spirit as a “part” of YHVH you have gotten it backwards and diminished Her existence. If you notice, the Holy Spirit is THE Power of Elohim, not YHVH. That is just one of her 7 functions and missions. She is YHVH's spirit. And going along with the thread she brought forth the son of Elohim that YHVH begat.
The way David Explained it To me Lu,
Not that i totally agree, but i do understand.
Its that He believes in a Almighty Elohim (creator)
Which is made up of YHVH and the Holy Spirit,
HE says that in hebrew the Spirit is fem. and the YHVH is masucline. they are not sexes entirely with gentials, but essences to his entire being of Elohim as functions i guess.
YHVH is part of Elohim as the other half of the Spirit.
In other words YHVH + Spirit=Elohim
Therefore Making Spirit, YHVH'Spirit would be incorrect and would be minuting the power of the spirit making instead this
YHVH>Spirit=GodDoes this help?
Thanks SF,
Yes, I understand that in some posts that is how Davidbfun comes across. Essences are 'its' though and not 'hes' and 'shes.'Dennison,
We are told that the Spirit is 'of' the Father here:Matt 10:18-20
18 and you will even be brought before governors and kings for My sake, as a testimony to them and to the Gentiles.
19 “But when they hand you over, do not worry about how or what you are to say; for it will be given you in that hour what you are to say.
20 “For it is not you who speak, but it is the Spirit of your Father who speaks in you.
NASUDennison,
I'm sorry, but you are irritating me very much. You don't think it's even worth the time to post complete sentences with correct punctuation so others can even understand you. I think that is lazy and rude to those you intend to read your posts.
Then you go off on astro-physical nonsense that neither you nor any other human being even have a clue about. JA is a pretty sharp guy, and when he is clear and to the point, he is sometimes brilliant. But I know you've seen his posts where he is just spouting all kinds of crap he THINKS, and saying it as if it were fact. You do that with your “totality of God” crap. God is ONE being. He made all other beings. Those beings are separate from the being of God. Yet you and Kathi think you can include Jesus into God by saying, “He's not really 'God', but he is part of the 'totality of God'”. Where is that in scripture?
And just to set the story straight, you said:
Quote But i believe in a Totality of God thats unknowable, thats power is so vast its impossible to know all of God. Even the Cheribums in front of his throne hides there faces and what not in the presence of God. I read that as, “God's power is so vast that even Cheribums have to hide their faces in the presence of Him.”
That's what I refuted. Was I wrong in my assumption of what you meant? Then, by all means sir, tell me what you DID mean by that statement. What else could it have possibly implied?
Do tell.
mike
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 02 2010,08:37) Dennison, I'm sorry, but you are irritating me very much. You don't think it's even worth the time to post complete sentences with correct punctuation so others can even understand you. I think that is lazy and rude to those you intend to read your posts.
Then you go off on astro-physical nonsense that neither you nor any other human being even have a clue about. JA is a pretty sharp guy, and when he is clear and to the point, he is sometimes brilliant. But I know you've seen his posts where he is just spouting all kinds of crap he THINKS, and saying it as if it were fact. You do that with your “totality of God” crap. God is ONE being. He made all other beings. Those beings are separate from the being of God. Yet you and Kathi think you can include Jesus into God by saying, “He's not really 'God', but he is part of the 'totality of God'”. Where is that in scripture?
And just to set the story straight, you said:
Quote But i believe in a Totality of God thats unknowable, thats power is so vast its impossible to know all of God. Even the Cheribums in front of his throne hides there faces and what not in the presence of God. I read that as, “God's power is so vast that even Cheribums have to hide their faces in the presence of Him.”
That's what I refuted. Was I wrong in my assumption of what you meant? Then, by all means sir, tell me what you DID mean by that statement. What else could it have possibly implied?
Do tell.
mike
Mike Gosh lee,
Yes i am rude for not taking the time to correct my mistakes,
hey lets blame it on my age!
im just that brat from across the street who throws eggs at your window.
Sometimes i dont reread my post, so yes i see my common mistakes, but oh well, im usually in a hurry.
Darn teenagers, and young adults always in a hurry….I didnt set out to prove the “Totality of God” Yet at all mike, the only reason i EVER mentioned it, so that you could understand what i meant, but i havent even gotten there yet mike.
I also believe God is ONE BEING, but you are obviously not LISTENING, (reading)
Ill prove it to you, when the time comes.Quote read that as, “God's power is so vast that even Cheribums have to hide their faces in the presence of Him.”
MIKE MY GOODNESS! I said your assumption was correct!! but this is not what you FIRST ACCUSED ME OF SAYING!this is what you first responded
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1.This is the only scripture you posted that said anything about faces being covered, and it doesn't say it is because they aren't allowed see God
2.I haven't seen anything yet that would imply that angels can't see the face of God.
This is incorrect because i never said any of those things. IF thats what you assumed at first, than you should have said that, but you didnt, instead you said this, so i refuted as well.Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 02 2010,08:07) Dennison,
We are told that the Spirit is 'of' the Father here:Matt 10:18-20
18 and you will even be brought before governors and kings for My sake, as a testimony to them and to the Gentiles.
19 “But when they hand you over, do not worry about how or what you are to say; for it will be given you in that hour what you are to say.
20 “For it is not you who speak, but it is the Spirit of your Father who speaks in you.
NASU
Yes Lu,
But the logic is distinguished only in the OLd Testament,
This is where all his logic centers around Genesis and the old testament.I have already asked him to clarify how Jesus and how the new testament fits into his logic.
But for now i believe he is only speaking of the Hebrew in the old testament beause Greek is not as detailed as the Hebrew is.
Again, thats what we discussed before, its about whats written in Hebrew, not the Greek.
Im not sure how he fits all of that into his logic.Dennison,
When you begin with the OT you have a solid foundation.
However, when people don't want to believe the OT, and the Hebrew is changed to fit whatever doctrine a person desires, they will do the same when it comes to Greek.
WITHIN Spirit Elohim is “the Spirit of YHWH” (IS 11:2). Since Spirit YHWH is part of Spirit Elohim you need to correctly apply whom the verse is addressing….Spirit YHWH (not YHWH). Look how Spirit is distinctly separate from YHWH in the following verse:
1Cr 2:11(b) Even so the thoughts of God (YHWH) no one knows except Spirit YHWH.
As Ed pointed out there is no word for “of” in Greek or Hebrew and is inserted by translators, therefore I took it out.
Jesus, prior to be born thru Mary, was the son of God, the firstborn of all creation. When he emptied his heavenly form he took on a humanly form and was known by both distinctions: Son of God and Son of Man.
Quote (davidbfun @ Sep. 09 2010,03:50) Dennison, As Ed pointed out there is no word for “of” in Greek or Hebrew and is inserted by translators, therefore I took it out.
Jesus, prior to be born thru Mary, was the son of God, the firstborn of all creation. When he emptied his heavenly form he took on a humanly form and was known by both distinctions: Son of God and Son of Man.
Hi David,Here is why Jesus is called both the “Son of Man” and the “Son of God”…
Mother Father
Mary HolySpirit
50% 50%
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Jesus
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Son of Man Son of God
(Mark 6:3) (Luke 1:35)Son of Man: 25%; Mary's mother's linage was of the tribe of Levi. (Luke 1:5, 1:36)
Son of Man: 25%: Mary's father's lineage was (Judah) through Nathan(son of David). (Luke 3:23-31)
Son of God: 50%: The HolySpirit was Jesus' Father; Joseph was NOT Jesus' Father! (Matt.1:18 / Matt.1:20 / Luke 1:35)At birth: Jesus was 50% HolySpirit(God)(Matt.1:18 / Matt.1:20 / Luke 1:35), 25% Levite(Priest) and 25% Judah(King)!
At baptism by John the baptizer, Jesus was filled up with the “HolySpirit”(God) beyond measure! (John 3:34 / John 1:14)Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
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