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What are the Principles of Truth? What is the Definition of Truth? What does Truth affect our beliefs today? How Does Truth affect other terms such as True love, or the Perfect Truth and etc?
How do you know what you Believe is True?
Who holds the Truth of it all?
How do we receive the Truth?
What is theory compared to Truth?What is God's position in Truth?
Is God Truth?
How Does Truth affect Gods character and Attributes?
Why do people believe in different Truths?
How do we break the division between two different Truths? (Knowing that “Making all contradicting statements true, is the death of Truth”-Paul Washer)If we have truth can we tell someone they are saved or is that Gods job?
What do we tell sinners about christianity and its division?
if there is a Truth? why so many divisions?
What is the Truth about how God views our divison?
What is the Truth about how God feels about us as a whole in the body of Christ?
[please use Scripture, and pray before posting]
Welcome simplyforgiven,
I believe truth to be absolute and there are no conflicts in truth, only misinterpretations that give the appearance of conflict. We must be willing to change our interpretations, even based on traditional beliefs when offered an interpretation that eliminates conflicts and is supported by the whole of scripture.My opinion -Wm
SF
God's “Word” is truth, we have it in the form of the Bible.
Jhn 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
To understand “truth”, the Bible, you have to first believe what it says, not twist and spin the truth, and then asking God to give you understanding.
People believe in what you call “different truth”, not that there are different truth, because they don't understand truth.Jhn 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
Jhn 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Our faith in Jesus Christ is what saves us,
Jhn 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.
but before you get there, you first have to know Jesus, and that is where the Bible comes in; it tells you how to get saved.
Jam 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
Luk 11:13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?
Asking God in prayer for his Holy Spirit is the key.
Georg
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 12 2010,18:36) Hi SF,
Your words reflect Pilate's.
But Jesus defined truth in Jn17
Im really trying to figure you out, but it seems that you dont want to be figured out.
You dont express enough about yourself to give a assertive position, without being debated.so really you cant be debated, because you often only post questions, that have answers, but question the answer as your rebuttle.
I really am having fun with you nick.
HI sf? how is sf? (i know it might be a dumb question but im new here have mercy)
How does my words reflect Pilates?
Tell me what Jesus said in Jn 17. and how do you believe that relates to Truth?
Quote (Elizabeth @ May 13 2010,01:57) SF God's “Word” is truth, we have it in the form of the Bible.
Jhn 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
To understand “truth”, the Bible, you have to first believe what it says, not twist and spin the truth, and then asking God to give you understanding.
People believe in what you call “different truth”, not that there are different truth, because they don't understand truth.Jhn 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
Jhn 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Our faith in Jesus Christ is what saves us,
Jhn 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.
but before you get there, you first have to know Jesus, and that is where the Bible comes in; it tells you how to get saved.
Jam 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
Luk 11:13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?
Asking God in prayer for his Holy Spirit is the key.
Georg
So how do you view the Division of the Chruch when concerning Truth?How do all christians claim to have truth when they are all divided?
is it different Gods, or bibles, or what?Why do we believe in different things?
And how do we solve for it?We need to be open to truth.
Which means, we need to be open to God.We need to be open to hearing and learning God's word as oppose to proving our own views as “truth”
Even if this means denying yourself and saying your wrong, so you can see the truth that is in God.
Most of our arguements are trying to sway another man into believing like you, when little do we know we are all wrong.
Jesus Christ says No one knows his Father, only the son knows…yet people try to define God as Triune, yet limit him with an inability to become human if he so chooses.
We need to stop limiting and trying to define God…he transcends not only our tiny brains, but the universe itself.
He revealed things to us in the bible, but even the bible is a mystery of itself…no one will ever completely figured it out.
So it's foolish to try and create absolutes based on things that are left to mystery/perception.
Don't put God in a trinity…
Don't limit him as to not being human either.He loves us and I think he came as Jesus and is still with us as the Holy spirit…yet he is beyond a trinity…he is OUR EVERYTHING!
Lets stop bickering about our ideas, and start looking for God's truth.
Quote (SimplyForgiven @ May 13 2010,18:23) Quote (Elizabeth @ May 13 2010,01:57) SF God's “Word” is truth, we have it in the form of the Bible.
Jhn 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
To understand “truth”, the Bible, you have to first believe what it says, not twist and spin the truth, and then asking God to give you understanding.
People believe in what you call “different truth”, not that there are different truth, because they don't understand truth.Jhn 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
Jhn 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Our faith in Jesus Christ is what saves us,
Jhn 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.
but before you get there, you first have to know Jesus, and that is where the Bible comes in; it tells you how to get saved.
Jam 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
Luk 11:13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?
Asking God in prayer for his Holy Spirit is the key.
Georg
So how do you view the Division of the Chruch when concerning Truth?How do all christians claim to have truth when they are all divided?
is it different Gods, or bibles, or what?Why do we believe in different things?
And how do we solve for it?
Hi SF,
Do not assume the false church and it's divisions bears any relationship to the body of Christ. Her fate is sealed.You must be born again.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 13 2010,21:46) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ May 13 2010,18:23) Quote (Elizabeth @ May 13 2010,01:57) SF God's “Word” is truth, we have it in the form of the Bible.
Jhn 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
To understand “truth”, the Bible, you have to first believe what it says, not twist and spin the truth, and then asking God to give you understanding.
People believe in what you call “different truth”, not that there are different truth, because they don't understand truth.Jhn 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
Jhn 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Our faith in Jesus Christ is what saves us,
Jhn 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.
but before you get there, you first have to know Jesus, and that is where the Bible comes in; it tells you how to get saved.
Jam 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
Luk 11:13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?
Asking God in prayer for his Holy Spirit is the key.
Georg
So how do you view the Division of the Chruch when concerning Truth?How do all christians claim to have truth when they are all divided?
is it different Gods, or bibles, or what?Why do we believe in different things?
And how do we solve for it?
Hi SF,
Do not assume the false church and it's divisions bears any relationship to the body of Christ. Her fate is sealed.You must be born again.
hi nickWho said that i was talking about a false church?
But it is divided, the fact that someone disagrees is a division. Who both Claim to love God, and have the Holy spirit, and accpeted Christ,Telll me more one must be born again?
Explain.
Tell me more. I mean if you are right, and if im wrong in any sense that you shouldnt keep the truth to yourself.Tell me more
express yourself with more than a few words.
I am proud of you though, i see you finally expressed an idea. even though you didnt mention scripture… or any claims for me to beleive….
how am i to believe anything you say, if i have nothing to base what you are saying?
And how come you ignore my questions?
Do you believe me to be a foolish person?answer me this one question with a yes or a no answer or with more words if you feel like it, ignore the rest if you like.
Do you love me?
Quote (seekingtruth @ May 13 2010,01:01) Welcome simplyforgiven,
I believe truth to be absolute and there are no conflicts in truth, only misinterpretations that give the appearance of conflict. We must be willing to change our interpretations, even based on traditional beliefs when offered an interpretation that eliminates conflicts and is supported by the whole of scripture.My opinion -Wm
Can you extend on your point about conflict. as in what?
elaborate.so when you say change, you mean to admit that we are wrong?
Quote (RokkaMan @ May 13 2010,20:20) He loves us and I think he came as Jesus and is still with us as the Holy spirit…yet he is beyond a trinity…he is OUR EVERYTHING! Lets stop bickering about our ideas, and start looking for God's truth.
I think the only idea of God that is beyond Trinity is just that.That God is my everything. All i want, need, and dream about.
My source of life.
im nothing without God in my life.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 13 2010,21:46) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ May 13 2010,18:23) Quote (Elizabeth @ May 13 2010,01:57) SF God's “Word” is truth, we have it in the form of the Bible.
Jhn 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
To understand “truth”, the Bible, you have to first believe what it says, not twist and spin the truth, and then asking God to give you understanding.
People believe in what you call “different truth”, not that there are different truth, because they don't understand truth.Jhn 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
Jhn 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Our faith in Jesus Christ is what saves us,
Jhn 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.
but before you get there, you first have to know Jesus, and that is where the Bible comes in; it tells you how to get saved.
Jam 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
Luk 11:13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?
Asking God in prayer for his Holy Spirit is the key.
Georg
So how do you view the Division of the Chruch when concerning Truth?How do all christians claim to have truth when they are all divided?
is it different Gods, or bibles, or what?Why do we believe in different things?
And how do we solve for it?
Hi SF,
Do not assume the false church and it's divisions bears any relationship to the body of Christ. Her fate is sealed.You must be born again.
And you believe your a part of a true church? am I right?When your ideas are just as flawed and incomplete as any other man. And you label yourself an anti-trinitarian which is a division among christianity.
Quote (SimplyForgiven @ May 13 2010,22:35) Quote (RokkaMan @ May 13 2010,20:20) He loves us and I think he came as Jesus and is still with us as the Holy spirit…yet he is beyond a trinity…he is OUR EVERYTHING! Lets stop bickering about our ideas, and start looking for God's truth.
I think the only idea of God that is beyond Trinity is just that.That God is my everything. All i want, need, and dream about.
My source of life.
im nothing without God in my life.
sftruth ??
men truth? or Gods truth??
if i say I think God is!!!it is I …so men truth not Gods.
how can men define God ?? except trough what God themselves reveal to us.so this will be truth of God not men.
if you say I believe this or that ,that s men truth not Gods truth.
the truth of God does not comes from men .
God truth is from above and deals with the things from above not earthly things who will soon be put to fire.
anyone who gathers the things from above is from God,the ones who gathers the things on earth are from the world and do not belong to the truth of God.
Gods word is the only truth known to men ,if you do not believe the word of God you do not have any truth,
if you say that you believe the truth and do not put to practice what it says you are a liar.and truth is not in you.
if you living in the truth of God this means that everything you do is in line with the scriptures and so you are able to justify your way by the means of the truth.(this is not justification for sin)
also truth of God will be our rule above all others.
Pierre
So do you agree with God when his word shows us Jesus is The Son of God?
When I say son of God I mean in the manner that he is God in flesh for the Jews had to of thought that's what he meant so they decided to stone him…so aparently they didn't see it in the same way of the prophets being the son of god so many try to argue today.
To All………..Truth is the absent of a lie, When we remove all the lies we are left with the truth. Truth and REALITY are ONE in the SAME. IMO
peace and love …………………….gene
Quote (terraricca @ May 14 2010,02:16) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ May 13 2010,22:35) Quote (RokkaMan @ May 13 2010,20:20) He loves us and I think he came as Jesus and is still with us as the Holy spirit…yet he is beyond a trinity…he is OUR EVERYTHING! Lets stop bickering about our ideas, and start looking for God's truth.
I think the only idea of God that is beyond Trinity is just that.That God is my everything. All i want, need, and dream about.
My source of life.
im nothing without God in my life.
sftruth ??
men truth? or Gods truth??
if i say I think God is!!!it is I …so men truth not Gods.
how can men define God ?? except trough what God themselves reveal to us.so this will be truth of God not men.
if you say I believe this or that ,that s men truth not Gods truth.
the truth of God does not comes from men .
God truth is from above and deals with the things from above not earthly things who will soon be put to fire.
anyone who gathers the things from above is from God,the ones who gathers the things on earth are from the world and do not belong to the truth of God.
Gods word is the only truth known to men ,if you do not believe the word of God you do not have any truth,
if you say that you believe the truth and do not put to practice what it says you are a liar.and truth is not in you.
if you living in the truth of God this means that everything you do is in line with the scriptures and so you are able to justify your way by the means of the truth.(this is not justification for sin)
also truth of God will be our rule above all others.
Pierre
hi pierreAre you responding to what i said or to the thread?
If i say that God is my everything. this is not an a mans idea. That can only be Gods because he clearly reveals he wants to be the center of our lives.but if your arguing about the threead
Than you right how can a Man define God?
Yet there are divisions of divisions of all those who say they love and cherish the Same God.
Explain that?If God is who he says he is, why are we not in agreement?
Is it us?The Truth of God would kill us. Imagine understanding everything that ever existed in past, present, and future. about understanding how an atom and a molecule actually work, imagine seeing such things. if we could, we should be dead, because humanly we could never handle such information.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 14 2010,02:27) To All………..Truth is the absent of a lie, When we remove all the lies we are left with the truth. Truth and REALITY are ONE in the SAME. IMO peace and love …………………….gene
What is a lie than?How do you know?
So how do you compare two things that are called truths, and they sound similiar?
So is a lie really the opposite of truth, or does it sound the same?
(Oh no im turning into Nick Hassan…)
Quote (RokkaMan @ May 14 2010,02:10) Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 13 2010,21:46) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ May 13 2010,18:23) Quote (Elizabeth @ May 13 2010,01:57) SF God's “Word” is truth, we have it in the form of the Bible.
Jhn 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
To understand “truth”, the Bible, you have to first believe what it says, not twist and spin the truth, and then asking God to give you understanding.
People believe in what you call “different truth”, not that there are different truth, because they don't understand truth.Jhn 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
Jhn 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Our faith in Jesus Christ is what saves us,
Jhn 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.
but before you get there, you first have to know Jesus, and that is where the Bible comes in; it tells you how to get saved.
Jam 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
Luk 11:13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?
Asking God in prayer for his Holy Spirit is the key.
Georg
So how do you view the Division of the Chruch when concerning Truth?How do all christians claim to have truth when they are all divided?
is it different Gods, or bibles, or what?Why do we believe in different things?
And how do we solve for it?
Hi SF,
Do not assume the false church and it's divisions bears any relationship to the body of Christ. Her fate is sealed.You must be born again.
And you believe your a part of a true church? am I right?When your ideas are just as flawed and incomplete as any other man. And you label yourself an anti-trinitarian which is a division among christianity.
Hi RM,
The divided 'church' based on a trinity god is not the body of Christ.
God is one and Christ is not divided.
read rev 17-8Quote (SimplyForgiven @ May 13 2010,17:31) Quote (seekingtruth @ May 13 2010,01:01) Welcome simplyforgiven,
I believe truth to be absolute and there are no conflicts in truth, only misinterpretations that give the appearance of conflict. We must be willing to change our interpretations, even based on traditional beliefs when offered an interpretation that eliminates conflicts and is supported by the whole of scripture.My opinion -Wm
Can you extend on your point about conflict. as in what?
elaborate.so when you say change, you mean to admit that we are wrong?
SimplyForgiven,
Most base their beliefs on what they believe to be true. In my opinion the scriptures are the main source for truth, but different interpretations of the same scriptures have lead to the many divisions within the body with some divisions severe enough that it seems they have forsaken essential truths.What I was attempting to say was none of us has all truth and if we disagree on a point, one of us is wrong. Obviously I think I'm right, otherwise I would change my belief. So in my opinion we should question our beliefs when confronted with an interpretation different then our own. We should then look at it from the opposing point of view, then examine which best matches the whole of scripture. Once I've done that I enter it into my journal, so unless there is a another interpretation that comes along, I consider that to be what I believe (for that item).
I do not believe I have all truth despite having searched for it for over 30 years now. I also believe I have errors in what I believe to be true, having been deceived despite; my best efforts, asking God for guidance, and being willing to forsake any and all beliefs to find it. But God looks on the heart He knows my deep desire for truth and I believe it pleases Him even if I have made mistakes.
As to admitting to a wrong, I have admitted it, and I know I will have to continue to admit it, it is important to be honest with others, as well as yourself.
My opinion – Wm
Quote (SimplyForgiven @ May 14 2010,06:52) Quote (terraricca @ May 14 2010,02:16) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ May 13 2010,22:35) Quote (RokkaMan @ May 13 2010,20:20) He loves us and I think he came as Jesus and is still with us as the Holy spirit…yet he is beyond a trinity…he is OUR EVERYTHING! Lets stop bickering about our ideas, and start looking for God's truth.
I think the only idea of God that is beyond Trinity is just that.That God is my everything. All i want, need, and dream about.
My source of life.
im nothing without God in my life.
sftruth ??
men truth? or Gods truth??
if i say I think God is!!!it is I …so men truth not Gods.
how can men define God ?? except trough what God themselves reveal to us.so this will be truth of God not men.
if you say I believe this or that ,that s men truth not Gods truth.
the truth of God does not comes from men .
God truth is from above and deals with the things from above not earthly things who will soon be put to fire.
anyone who gathers the things from above is from God,the ones who gathers the things on earth are from the world and do not belong to the truth of God.
Gods word is the only truth known to men ,if you do not believe the word of God you do not have any truth,
if you say that you believe the truth and do not put to practice what it says you are a liar.and truth is not in you.
if you living in the truth of God this means that everything you do is in line with the scriptures and so you are able to justify your way by the means of the truth.(this is not justification for sin)
also truth of God will be our rule above all others.
Pierre
hi pierreAre you responding to what i said or to the thread?
If i say that God is my everything. this is not an a mans idea. That can only be Gods because he clearly reveals he wants to be the center of our lives.but if your arguing about the threead
Than you right how can a Man define God?
Yet there are divisions of divisions of all those who say they love and cherish the Same God.
Explain that?If God is who he says he is, why are we not in agreement?
Is it us?The Truth of God would kill us. Imagine understanding everything that ever existed in past, present, and future. about understanding how an atom and a molecule actually work, imagine seeing such things. if we could, we should be dead, because humanly we could never handle such information.
SFi answer the tread,
most of the confusion lays wen people do not have much knowledge of scriptures and so not much understanding of it
and many try to give their opinion or comment on something they really do not understand .we have to learn to know God and his son Jesus Christ to understand the whys and how's and where's ect;
understand the apostles explanations of what they mean,and at the same time be careful of the sharks with the false teachings,
remember live is with God not men.
always stick to scriptures and scriptures explanation not men explanation.
Pierre
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