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Nick,
I believe the spirit and soul are seperate elements of an individual.
I also believe but am not certain that it is the spirit that gives life to a person.
It is possible, though I have my doubts, that the breath of life and the spirit are not the same element of a human being.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 16 2010,19:07) Hi,
God is God of the Living.[Mt23, Mk12, Lk20]Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and the anointed ones of old are alive to God as are Jesus and the brothers.
Many have been spoken of and some seen on the mountain with Jesus.
It is the living Spirit that gives eternal life.
Nick……..The mount of transfiguration , was a vision of the (coming) of Kingdom of GOD . Back up one scripture and read where Jesus said that some would not see death until they see the Kingdom of God (coming). This is what happened on the mount of transfiguration, Peter and John were privileged to see in a vision the coming Kingdom of God. It was a prophetic vision. We are told that NON have been raised from the grave except Jesus ONLY at this time and Jesus was raised (with a body). A soul can not exist outside of a Body, you have produced no scripture to support your dogmas.The soul the sin shall (PARISH) and it will Parish in the Grave as all (SOULS HAVE THAT SINNED). They have PERISHED IN THE GRAVE and so will our SOULS Parish , because we have all sinned. But thanks be to the mercy of GOD He will reconstruct a Body for us and add His Spirit back into it. If GOD were to choose to leave us in that state of death we would never exist again. So Jesus says }”fear him who can destory (BOTH) body and soul ,(where) (IN) the GRAVE”. The word Soul there can be translated Spirit also. But Spirit is useless without a body to animate it simply goes about in (ARID) or dry place looking for a (BODY) to rest in.
You still do not understand what SPIRIT really is NICK. It is what animates all flesh that has life (IN) it. It is the LIFE function in (ALL) living things. It is the Presence of God's Intellect existing in all living creation. IMO
peace and love to you and yours…………..gene
Nick…….Absolutely what is so “ODD” about that, do you think GOD is unable to perform such an act?. When Jesus was walking with the two disciples after the resurrection, they did not recognize him but they both shared the same “vision” experience right?. When the disciples on Pentecost were all in the upper room and saw tongs of fire , they all saw the same “vision”, right?. Nick it plainely says after Pentcost that no one has risen but Jesus He was the (FIRST) Raised from the (DEAD) and so far the (ONLY) ONE who has been. IMO
peace and love to you and yours………………..gene
Quote (kerwin @ May 18 2010,02:32) Nick, I believe the spirit and soul are seperate elements of an individual.
I also believe but am not certain that it is the spirit that gives life to a person.
It is possible, though I have my doubts, that the breath of life and the spirit are not the same element of a human being.
For the life of the flesh in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it the blood maketh an atonement for the soul. Leviticus 17:11A most important truth, had existed in the Mosaic writings for more than 3,000 years, before the attention of any philosopher was drawn to the subject.
That the blood actually possesses a living principle, and that the life of the whole body is derived from it, is a doctrine of revelation, and a doctrine which the experiments of the most accurate anatomists have served strongly to confirm.
The proper circulation of this important fluid through the whole human system was first taught by Solomon in figurative language:
“Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern.”
It is what it is.
For [it is] the life of all flesh; the blood of it [is] for the life thereof: therefore I said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall eat the blood of no manner of flesh: for the life of all flesh [is] the blood thereof: whosoever eateth it shall be cut off. Leviticus 17:14
Constitutionalist,
Thank you for your comments. I will use Leviticus 17:11 in a thread about the crusifiction of the Anointed One.
Quote (Constitutionalist @ May 19 2010,13:52) Quote (kerwin @ May 18 2010,02:32) Nick, I believe the spirit and soul are seperate elements of an individual.
I also believe but am not certain that it is the spirit that gives life to a person.
It is possible, though I have my doubts, that the breath of life and the spirit are not the same element of a human being.
For the life of the flesh in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it the blood maketh an atonement for the soul. Leviticus 17:11A most important truth, had existed in the Mosaic writings for more than 3,000 years, before the attention of any philosopher was drawn to the subject.
That the blood actually possesses a living principle, and that the life of the whole body is derived from it, is a doctrine of revelation, and a doctrine which the experiments of the most accurate anatomists have served strongly to confirm.
The proper circulation of this important fluid through the whole human system was first taught by Solomon in figurative language:
“Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern.”
It is what it is.
For [it is] the life of all flesh; the blood of it [is] for the life thereof: therefore I said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall eat the blood of no manner of flesh: for the life of all flesh [is] the blood thereof: whosoever eateth it shall be cut off. Leviticus 17:14
Hi CON,
The life is in the blood.
The blood of Jesus was poured out on earth.
Now men are baptised into the body of Christ and are given a share of his blood in the new covenant.The blood is the Spirit
Quote (kerwin @ May 18 2010,20:01) Constitutionalist, Thank you for your comments. I will use Leviticus 17:11 in a thread about the crusifiction of the Anointed One.
Did you miss me?Quote (Constitutionalist @ May 19 2010,10:51) Quote (kerwin @ May 18 2010,20:01) Constitutionalist, Thank you for your comments. I will use Leviticus 17:11 in a thread about the crusifiction of the Anointed One.
Did you miss me?
I thought about you. I like hearing different ideas and you introduce your share.Constitutionalist………….i missed you and do enjoy your posts brother. Nick think we will not have (BODIES) it appears , but as most all think we simply will drift off in some non body state even thought Jesus was Shown to have an Body, and he also said he was (NOT) a Spirit being because a Spirt does not have flesh and bone as He had, (after) the resurrection and we are also told by John we shall see Jesus just as He is , no where in scripture does it say Jesus some how was given a (SPIRIT) body separate of a Flesh Body. This is just a assumption made by some. IMO
Again good to see you back.
peace and love to you and yours………………..gene
Hi,
We will have a new spiritual body alike to that now of the Son of God.[1Jn3.2-3]
but Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom.[1Cor15]Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 20 2010,05:54) Hi,
We will have a new spiritual body alike to that now of the Son of God.[1Jn3.2-3]
but Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom.[1Cor15]
Nick ……….That is a true statement Flesh and blood can not enter into the Kingdom of God, But the Kingdom of GOD (CAN INTER INTO IT). 'For the kingdom of God comes (NOT) with observation , but it is (INSIDE) of you”. All Flesh contains Spirit and that is what animates all Creation, Gods Kingdom is within his creation , that is where His WILL is rules.Peace and love………………gene
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 09 2010,13:59) Hi M,
The flesh body is temporary so how can you say it is essential to being a person??
The spirit returns to God so how is it essential??
Scripture says that we will be changed from coruptable to incoruptable.
Our bodies will be changed not done away with.Quote (kerwin @ May 18 2010,21:32) Nick, I believe the spirit and soul are seperate elements of an individual.
I also believe but am not certain that it is the spirit that gives life to a person.
It is possible, though I have my doubts, that the breath of life and the spirit are not the same element of a human being.
The breath is what gave Adam life, not a soul. Every living creature “is” a soul, no one has a soul. At times “soul” is used instead of “spirit”, for instant, body and soul, meaning spirit.
Spirit is not what gives you life; when Paul said, there is a spirit in man, he was referring to our mind, he called it spirit because it is the invisible part of us, just as a spirit being is, invisible.Georg
Quote (martian @ May 22 2010,11:40) Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 09 2010,13:59) Hi M,
The flesh body is temporary so how can you say it is essential to being a person??
The spirit returns to God so how is it essential??
Scripture says that we will be changed from coruptable to incoruptable.
Our bodies will be changed not done away with.
Not exactly;Job 33:4 The Spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life.
first, not all will inherit the kingdom of God, only the saints, and they only will be changed, given a spirit body.
It is not really a change, after they die, they will be resurrected as spirit beings, their dead human bodies remain in their graves.
All the other dead will be resurrected in a new human body.Job 14:14 If a man die, shall he live again? all the days of my appointed time will I wait, till my change come.
Job 14:15 Thou shalt call, and I will answer thee: thou wilt have a desire to the work of thine hands.
Job 33:25 His flesh shall be fresher than a child's: he shall return to the days of his youth:
Georg
Georg,
I agree that God breathed life into Adam and not Adam’s soul. It is only after Adam was alive that he was called a living soul and scripture elsewhere speaks of a soul dying, Psalms 56:13 and Revelations 16:3.
I also agree that soul is used to mean spirit on occasion.
I do not know that spirit means mind in some cases though you may be correct.
There is a scripture in Job, I think, that makes it seem that the spirit is the source of life but I cannot find it. If anyone knows it I would appreciate their input. Thank you.
Quote (kerwin @ May 22 2010,17:47) Georg, I agree that God breathed life into Adam and not Adam’s soul. It is only after Adam was alive that he was called a living soul and scripture elsewhere speaks of a soul dying, Psalms 56:13 and Revelations 16:3.
I also agree that soul is used to mean spirit on occasion.
I do not know that spirit means mind in some cases though you may be correct.
There is a scripture in Job, I think, that makes it seem that the spirit is the source of life but I cannot find it. If anyone knows it I would appreciate their input. Thank you.
Job 33:4 The Spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life.This is what Paul says about the mind.
Phl 2:5 ¶ Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
Whose mind/spirit was in Jesus? the Fathers mind/spirit, his Holy Spirit. It is the same Spirit/Mind that is in every believer.
Georg
Georg,
I do see where you are coming from but I do not like to jump to conclusions based on a few scriptures that may or may not be open to interpretation.
First mind is the word the translators chose to mean the same thing as the original writer meant but that does not mean they were correct.
Second I am not sure the people that time period mean the same thing when they speak of the mind that we mean today.
There may be a link between mind and spirit that does not necessary mean they are the same thing.
The translators are supposed to take the second item in account when translating. I was hoping to find the common Greek word that was translated to mind as a number are translated to the English word “mind”. I failed to isolate the one in the particular scripture you speak of or in others that seem to support the idea you advance.
Kerwin………Spirit is the (INTELLECT) of the mind it is what produce or animates a being rather animal or man or anything that has life in it. Nothing can (LIVE) without Spirit (IN) it not even a Bird. Spirit is the Force of Life it is the very intellect of existing in something that has life. Man has a Body and when Spirit was added int it “HE BECAME A LIVING SOUL” BODY +SPIRIT= A LIVING SOUL. REMOVE ANY ONE OF THOSE TWO AND A SOUL NO LONGER EXISTS.
peace and love to you and yours……………………..gene
Quote but it is (INSIDE) of you”. Gene, pretty much all Bibles say “in your midst” or “among you” and the 2 that don't, have those phrases in the footnotes/margin as alternate translations.
Gene, how can you base anything on something that is basically a wrong translation? Every other translation, and even the footnotes/marginal references agree that it should be rendered the other way. The context demands it, given that he was “answering” the Pharisees.
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